PC Tsw 5 Enhancement | Lighting & Graphic Ep V2.2

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  1. knuckleshed

    knuckleshed Well-Known Member

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    Try this, Go into the game and SETTINGS > ADVANCED SETTINGS and switch Anti Aliasing from TAA to FXAA this worked for me at least.
     
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    Ta. I’ll give that a go!
     
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    Thank you. This IS the fix. At least I now know what's causing it.
    But, the drop in image quality is huge, even at Hi-Res. The problem is greater on ECML due to lots of areas where the catenary is a fair distance from the trees, which shows the issue more.
    Back to TAA and live with it I think.
     
  4. knuckleshed

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    Try increasing the screen percentage, mines on 125% but I also have a 4k DSR screen resolution setting so the picture quality is much much better without relying on AA, this usually tanks your FPS but that's where Lossless Scaling comes into its own.
     
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  5. amtraknick1993

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    Okay an update, looks like it’s distance field shadows. If I turn that off, it runs significantly smoother.

    Edit: I deleted the previous comment so this is a little out of context now. On San Bernardino, if distance field shadows is enabled, the route is almost unplayable the FPS is so bad. Disable that and it’s a totally different experience.
     
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    I have an update too, I didn't like FXAA either, just had a run with a lot of Catenary and yeah even upscaled to 4k it was still pretty jaggy so, TAA is back on. might try the distance field shadows myself later see what I think.
     
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    The ghosting is a trade off I’m afraid. In minimising the horrendous shimmer the game suffers from, particularly when stationary, it does create an element of ghosting. It’s only really noticeable in certain circumstances and generally only when looking for it, I find at least.

    Turning Distant Field Shadows off will really impact the game’s visuals so be aware of that.
     
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    Thanks for confirming Jetwash.
    I rarely notice it on other routes. I think with ECML, it's the Type of Catenary, Distance to the trees, but also the wide viewing window of the Azuma cab. All these combine to make it more noticable.
     
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  9. JetWash

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    If you want the change it alter the TAA samples in the ini from 3 to 32 or 64. I think that should help but be warned, the shimmering is fierce, particularly on ECML.

    FXAA is an abysmal form of AA, to such an extent it’s worthless. You should only be using that if your machine is literally incapable of using TAA.
     
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    Yes. I noticed the shimmering with FXAA. It was making me feel physically sick !!
    The positives far, far outweigh the negatives. I am more happy that it is expected behaviour. Thought I had an issue my end.
     
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    Hi Jetwash, First of all a really huge thank you for the work you have done without which I would not be using the TSW program at all. I also am hugely grateful to Rob S, Spratty, London Midland, Spikee and all who make TSW so much better.

    I seem to have more luck than others re stutters etc. so for your information I am running the Medium version with 16 Gigs of ram, i78700, RTX 2070, Dx12, @4K, win10. I have sky Very High and most other setting on Ultra, the darkness you mentioned has indeed gone. I have no stutter even on a first run, very smooth with frame rates up to 30 but not beyond. As it is running fine I have not implemented my Lossless Scaling as I do not see the need as yet.

    If you have a contribution box then I would be very happy to put something in it. I cannot understand why DTG does not contract you and others to make all these improvements and sell more games but I suppose other simulators rely on modders to make them great, for which we should all be thankful.
     
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  12. solicitr

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    All right JetWash , to coddle my ancient machine I'm running in DX11 with the Medium version of the mod (with the offending DX12-dependent lines deleted), and the other mods recommended in the manual (and no others, yet) But there's a problem-

    While the natural/daylight lighting looks as great as ever, artificial lights (station and signals) are positively thermonuclear, as if the railway wants to disinfect the place with sunlamp UV. Glasgow Central looks like the inside of a tanning bed. Also, the signal flares flash in and out. What's causing this, and is there a fix?
     
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    I’m pretty confident that’s nothing to do with this mod but I’d like to be certain. Are you able to grab a screenshot? There’s nothing in there that could even begin to cause that.
     
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    Maybe it's Aran's time of day mod? Dunno.

    Anyway, is there an environmental control in God Mode that would reduce the effect?

    [​IMG]
     
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    [​IMG]

    Just thought I’d throw this in here :) - still really impressed with the Ini settings, and with Rob39 , bescot, robwoods#9284 excellent bits and pieces, it makes GWE Blue just that little bit more exciting :) - cracking job fellas
     
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    Try removing the TOD mods by Aran, some of those were broken a while ago in TSW4 when DTG pushed out an update. I stopped using them other than in TSW3.
     
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    WCML South
    With the 72 stock. This light enhancement rocks! haven't really been using lossless scaling much though. Sometimes it's really choppy 796363ab-5a80-433a-974f-72e67a2f8e22.jpeg
     
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  18. JetWash

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    Yeah, that definitely isn’t my ini changes. That is very strange!

    Is that Cathcart Circle? If so it’s definitely Aran’s mod as it’s designed for TOD3 and obviously Cathcart has been updated to TOD4. Try removing them as they’re no longer really compatible.
     
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  19. amtraknick1993

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    Except on routes like San Bernardino, with it enabled, the route is virtually unplayable the FPS is so bad. Less than 15 in some areas. I thought maybe it was because it was a first run through but subsequent runs on the route have yielded the same results. I have to keep it turned off if I want to play the route.
     
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    That comes down to the hardware you’re using unfortunately. I’ve got the same solid 30fps (doubled to 60 with LS frame gen) that I have on other routes.
     
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    I’m skeptical… not doubting you cause you’re the expert here, but skeptical. My hardware is in my signature which is pretty high end and I’m able to use the Ultra preset with all TSW settings on Ultra with no issues. It runs every single TSW route very stable and I often sit at 60+ FPS except for normal stuff where it dips a bit for trees, shadows, etc. But never below like, 30 FPS. However, on San Bernardino, the FPS is all over the place with that setting enabled. I just can’t run the route. For comparison, it’s enabled on Antelope Valley and that is smooth as glass.
     
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    Remind me what GPU you have?

    I strongly suggest you take a look at lossless scaling however.
     
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    RTX 2080 Super.
     
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    Sorry no hate but a 2080 super is definitely not "high end" its an medium use card and not to compare with a 3090/4000 series. I can tell from experience, i had a 2080 and now a 4070ti that the difference is huge.
     
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    A 2080 is low end tbf….you are being generous saying medium!
     
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    Just a had night run using the latest patch…OMG so much better now. Thanks again JW!
     
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    Fair enough but sometimes it will result in angry and discussion so it was more to save peace ;)
     
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  28. solicitr

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    (AMD 570 user whistles and rolls his eyes.....)
     
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    A 2080 isn't low end at all..

    the important number is the 80 that is high end the 20 is the series

    I have a 1080Ti the important bits being the 80 and the Ti yes it's very old gen now but it's still a high end card it also has 11GB of Memory how does that compare against your 4060 or 4070?

    The guy said they had a 2080 Super, again the important bits are the 80 and the Super.

    The 20 series cards were the first to introduce RTX but other than that it's still relatively comparable to my 1080 though likely to be up to 10% faster than mine (I believe mine is on a level par with the 2070), I think I read somewhere that the 30 series was only about 5% faster than the 20's and the 40 series is about 10% faster than the 20's.

    Low end (any series) xx60
    Mid range (any series) xx70
    High End (any series) xx80
    Enthusiast level (any series) xx90
     
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    It doesn’t work like that at all. I have a 2080 on the machine plugged into my TV. It was high end when it came out, but these days it is nowhere near high end. For Frame Rates my laptop with a mobile 3060 beats it by some way. According to the post above my laptop is low end and is beating a high end card. Same with processors, a Gen 13/14 Intel I7 is going to be much better than a Gen 10 which was great when it came out.

    Call it what you like a 2080 is not capable of running in Ultra with Jetwash’s Ultra settings. At best, from personal experience it a copes with High Settings in TSW and Jetwash’s Medium settings.
     
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    Sorry mate thats complete nonsense! Of course the front number plays a part of how good the card is or not.... Newer releases has impact on what kind of power a card can deliver. A 2080 is already 5 years old so no High end. Maybe by release but not now anymore
     
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    Seems like everyone's "high-end" view here is different. Maybe start distinguishing between:

    High-end: of the generation/architecture
    High-end: currently, what you can buy and is High-end today

    GTX980 was also high end, but 10 years ago, and where is it now. So it is all about context. When we are talking about the performance issues someone has TODAY, saying "I have a high-end card" should not mean high-end from 5 years ago. Sorry.
     
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    The Mitsubishi Zero was a high-end fighter in 1941. In 1944, not so much.
     
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    Obviously I meant for it's time, that should go without saying, of course its easy to forget how many pedants there are in the train sim community.

    A high end card 5yrs ago is still a high end card, just outdated, that was never in question.
     
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    Sorry that was me not clear! I was a little confused about youre statement there.

    Thats was my point of view but that was caused by his missing part :)
     
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    Has no right to exist - x10
    Low end - x(x)30 - x(x)40
    Mid range - x(x)50 - x(x)60
    Higher range - x(x)70
    High end - x(x)80
    Overpriced - x(x)90
     
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    Hey, I bought the Lossless Scaling programme mentioned in the readme and gotta say that TSW now plays much better! Even though I have a low end GPU (2070S), it feels like high end, definitely worth the 7€. I just have a bit of an off topic question: when using Lossless Scaling on other games (Cities Skylines 2 in particular) the camera seems to move much slower. Does anyone have an Idea how to fix this? I know this is super off topic, but I do not know where else I should ask this question.
     
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    Hi Jetwash

    Can you post the line you add into Steam Launch Options screen to enable DirectX12.

    Thank you.
     
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    -DX12
     
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    Thank you. I was expecting a long string. ;)
     
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    I just replaced the 2080Ti in my son's PC with my old 3090Ti and the latter was only 50% faster in the Unigine Superposition benchmark in comparison. So the former is still a good card, I would say in the low-medium range for 2024. Without the "Ti" it would tend towards a low, but still capable all the same providing the monitor resolution does not exceed 1440p so as not to saturate the 8GB VRAM.
     
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    Just to weigh in on the "high end" argument... my experience is that people almost always use "high end" in the "of the moment" sense, i.e. what is high end now. The 2080S is not high-end in this sense anymore. Of its generation, yes; now, no. It doesn't make it a bad card, it's just falling behind. The 2080S scores anywhere from 20-40% lower than my RX 6800 XT, which I'd consider to only be a middling card these days.

    That said, with my 6800 XT and running at 1440p @ 60Hz, I'm running the "High" preset on both TSW and JetWash's god mode, and also get a reasonably solid 60fps in all but the densest of locations.
     
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    There is nothing wrong but the point is that cards are also build for a resolution scale. The 2080 series is more a 1080p card and a RX6900xt a 1440p card. A RTX4000 card is a 4k range card.... So its also what you expect. For 1080p is a RTX4000 card useless.
     
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    My first official Train Sim World 5 video using this lighting enhancement along with lossless scaling
     
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    Today I have set up my system with your Lighting and Graphic Enhancements, together with God Mode and Lossless.

    Your manual is one of the best that I have had the pleasure of using in many years, straight forward, easy to follow and very detailed. Thank you for all the time and effort you put into the manual and the mods that have truly transformed TSW5 for me.
    Today I drove in various lights with rain and without, clear and foggy, bright and full overcast. There was no weather or lighting where TSW5 did not look great.
    Brilliant, well done, and much appreciated.

    DTG there are some very valuable lessons you could learn here.
     
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    Yes. You have the opportunity to incease the user base and increase player satisfaction, by implementing tools readily available, such as DLSS. Hardware requirements are reduced, possibly making the game attractive and more accessible to a wider audience.
     
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    Funny you say that considering I run all settings on Ultra and use the Ultra preset of the mod. And my 2080 does just fine with that. The FPS counter (F3) doesn’t lie. Constant 40-70 FPS and smooth performance. On a 2080.

    For arguments sake, I run MSFS on pretty high settings, some maxed out, with similar performance. 5 years stressing the card with graphics nearly maxed out on games like MSFS or TSW with zero issues.
     
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    I'm really confused as to why TSW5 won't use my entire GPU even with DX12 enabled.
    TSW4 and 3 didn't have this problem.

    Is anyone else experiencing this?

    (I don't think it has anything to do with this mod. I'm just asking here cause I'm sure most on this thread are using the mod. Something something.. scientific method ;))
     
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    I have never had TSW (since its first release) load the processor by at least 50%. TSW is always limited by the performance of the video card. Now my I7-12700K is loaded by 12-15% (in rare cases by 20-22%), with 100% load on the RTX4080S (running Win10, DX12, 4K, ultra settings).
     
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    Yes, and I'm equally baffled. Sometimes I get my usual, expected frame rates, and sometimes they (roughly) halve for no very obvious reason (i.e. not at large, busy stations). When I check Task Manager, CPU and GPU are both at significantly less than 50%. It's not consistent, but I can be getting normal frame rates when seated at the controls, which then halve if I switch to external views, and when I return to the cab they remain at half rate.

    I'd welcome any suggestions of things to try/investigate.
     

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