Route Edinburgh - Glasgow - Feedback Thread

When it comes to rail infrastructure, I always check things out either on GE, Openrailwaymap.org or cab rides on YT. There's that odd spot on many routes...

So in this case, the feedback should be directed to ScotRail, not DTG/Rivet

 

The audio needs reworking. I can hear 385s coming 30 seconds before they actually appear. There is also a loud sound for when AI Class 385s release the brakes and I can hear it in the cab from the otherside of Edinburgh. I love the route, but the 385 needs work with audio.

 

I don't know if it's me.... but this route has been released for... 1.5 years? I can still hear cars and outside sounds while in the driver cab....

 

The best you going to get.

 

Oh you're not going to get anymore updates, How Rivet operate is release a DLC, Send out one update to fix some bugs, then forget about it and move onto another project.

 

okay then... no Rivet for me anymore. This is really not acceptable.

 

They have been doing this in TSW for years, bring out poor DLC, maybe a small patch which doesn't really make much improvement then nothing more ever gets fixed. Worst thing about it is that once they have done a route its unlikely that anyone else will bother, see Glasgow to Edinburgh a main route in Scotland that has some major issues like sound on the default train but that's ok because the lifts work and maybe you will find flying moths.

 

Don't forget Fife Circle which for some reason has the entire Glasgow-Edinburgh route on it

 

Fife yes, and West Cornwall and looks a like a hand in the poorly received WCML South too. In the end though even though people buy it, I don't, except West Cornwall which I bought to make up my own mind, if the rest of the releases were of that standard then I know I won't be bothering. If that's all that can be achieved in TSW then I would say fair enough but JT and TSG prove otherwise and some other DTG stuff isn't that bad.

 

Really looking forward to Skyhook’s timetable overall for this route which was mentioned on the roadmap. Looks like loads of new layers.

 

I believe that new timetable is already available if you own their ScotRail Class 158 loco DLC, they’re just adding even more services to it which is a good thing!

 

Can we get 80x stop markers on this please? Would be a great addition to go alongside the fantastic new azuma playable layer

 

Anyone else found that the 385 sounds seem to go very far? The brake release, electrical buzz, can hear it from far away even though in a 158!

 

385 - it would be good to see guard mode on this train. The guard panel is functional after train door control guard is enabled in cab. Additionally, I’m not sure if it is prototypical, but the door chimes are very loud and feel like they go on longer than required

 

This is a core issue but when are we going to get touch screen functionality for the digital display screens zoom feature? Both the 385 and now the 801 have selective door operation on touch screen TMS and so would love to be able to use it again for the shorter platforms to make it feel more like I'm running a proper service.

 

801 SDO would be especially helpful for stations on E2G. Did not realise it was simulated on the 801.

 

I never fully checked it worked when driving ECML in TSW4 as it wasn't needed, but the isolation switch for SDO next to the safety system switches does work and I can see an option for door selection on the TMS (although it could be like the ETCS switch where you can turn it on but it doesn't do anything as it's presently a redundant feature). So I'll have to see if there is a setting to switch off the display screen zoom and then see if it works. In reality on LNER the guard would be in total control of the doors but Hitachi does fit their IETs with all the tech in in the cab needed for the trains to be DOO (e.g. Lumo does this).

I just find it hard to use the screens without the zoom feature. SDO does definitely work on the 385 though as I used it in TSW 4 but with difficulty when using a Playstation controller to press on a small screen. So I had been looking forward to the zoom feature making this easier in TSW5 but it doesn't work with touch screens.

 

It is good to see the major intercity trains in TSW like 801 and 390 getting layered properly in other places where you would see them. We've now got the Pendolino at Glasgow, Edinburgh, and soon Manchester Piccadilly (once the ATS route comes out). Hopefully someday Birmingham New Street can get the same treatment with both the 390 and 350.

 

Does this update with the new layers only work if you have the 158 installed? I haven't seen anything different.

 

Yes

 

Definitely for Birmingham New Street, such a ghost town.
Would be nice if they could also layer in the 390 at Piccadilly on the Hadfield route as that's a ghost town as well.

 

Getting horrible blurry textures when using the Azuma on the Sprinter timetable on this route. (Noticed on British Ace's video this morning the same happened to him, although fixed eventually).

On both my runs today, started just past Murrayfield then fixed itself before going blurry again all the way to Polmont. Few pictures below show what I mean.

On arrival at Polmont the station signs were unreadable too because of it.

Xbox Series X

 

Picture 2 was what my PS4 was like most of the time in the 801

 

It would be good if this route got the new track shadows

 

Haven't had any blurring recently. Maybe just for a second when starting a scenario sometimes, but never longer. Was always a problem with the Azuma before.

Very happy with this route now. The new timetables and layering by Skyhook are really good.

 

Not much to say that hasn’t already been said. Bought this again in the sale having previously refunded.

It’s a Rivet route which is always going to come with baggage, just don’t pay full price and enjoy it for what it is. Having taken the decision to mothball TSC and that version, made sense to add it to TSW.

Having bought the SHG Scotrail158 (plus the 380) the route is now richly layered with, admittedly modernish, stock and that brings the timetable to life.

The only thing it really does need if Rivet or someone at DTG decide to go through the route, is reverb adding under bridges and tunnels. Having also bought Fife Circle which does incorporate that feature, it really starts to show when missing on older routes.

 

Not sure anyone else has said this but, if you have downloaded the HST scotrail livery from CC then the the HSTs automatically adopt it for this route!

 

Can you link to the relevant CC livery please? Imagine there are a few.

 

https://creatorsclub.dovetailgames.com/creations/119748

 

Thank you Now just to hope it doesn't have the same issue with other CC liveries, whereby it causes tonnes of stutter when it appears!

 

Back on the 385. Yegods, now I know why I previously refunded this route.

Quite awful, in fact I would have to say it’s right down on the bottom with their Class 150. The sounds seem to have been cobbled together from a mix of the 484 (itself ghastly) and the M7 from LIRR. It has the typical trademark Rivet acceleration surge and the brakes will have people toppling over with the gentlest application.

Really, how do DTG tick this utter LOVE through quality control.

All I can say is thank the gods for SHG and their alternative timetable!

 

Physically it looks great, but I've only drove it a couple of times, it's terrible.

 

Vern - what did you think of the brake sounds? I always find with the 385 that when driving another loco, the brakes releasing on the 385 can be heard despite it being far away. Drives me round the bend!

 

They should really fix the azuma services, here's a list of what's wrong.
1. Azuma services do not call at Polmont.
2. Azuma services to Aberdeen go via the Forth Bridge not Stirling
3. The Azuma service to/from Glasgow Central isn't simulated at all.

Here are some fixes.
1. Have services hand over at a Danger signal near Polmont.
2. Have services to Aberdeen playable to Haymarket
3. Add the Glasgow Central service between Edinburgh and Haymarket as Playable or AI.

 

Personally, I enjoy the services playable to polmont regardless of if it is prototypical. The layer selector is there for anyone who wishes to disable it. Do agree with adding the Glasgow central service in though, preferably playable.

 

hello i would like to see the aditional hst services comeing from edinburgh we have glasgow queen street

 

the reason they call at polmont in the timetable is so you as the player can get out

 

I agree that it should stop and start at polmont, but it would be good if it didn't require you to load and unload pax IMO.

 

good point but am not sure how easy it will be to set up

 

Have just started playing this route again after a long while. But, now with the updated Sprinter timetable and 158, plus all the new services this has now, in my opinion, turned this route from mediocre to great. I'm really surprised just how much enjoyment I get from it, especially more AI traffic at Waverley, although Glasgow Queen Street still seems a bit quiet (is that realistic?). Also, the addition of the GWR HST I was a bit unsure off, but with the Creator's Club livery I think is a really nice addition overall - I hope Fife Circle gets such a timetable update. Also, finally, the Class 380 is also a great addition, much more enjoyable here than on Cathcart.

 

In the Sprinter Express timetable, there are 4 LNER services to Inverness.

The only LNER service to Inverness leaves Edinburgh Waverley at 1620ish. It doesn't stop at Polmont either.

Also, the Aberdeen services go via the Fife Circle (stopping at Kirkcaldy and Inverkeithing), and not via Polmont.

 

Fife Circle is supposed to be getting a 158 timetable added to it, but that's another roadmap been and gone and not a single mention of it.

Really hope I'm wrong, but suspect it's something else that will get quietly dropped/abandoned and they hope people won't notice. With just the 170 timetable (to say nothing of the abysmal scenery) the Fife Circle route is the absolute definition of untapped potential. If only it hadn't been given to Rivet...

 

I think they're probably too focused with their freight packs and the 158 pack is not a priority.

 

The 158 timetable for Fife Circle is in the testing stage.

It'll be here soon.

 

I know, if they're going to keep the Inverness services, they should at least do it right!

 

It's been said before those services are altered to allow players to drive them. I have no issues with that. Adds to the variety.

 

I agree but they said they would keep it in so you could play some LNER services, same with the short HST services.
I'd be more than happy with the HSTs and Azumas as AI only for the realism (or only allowing you drive it between Haymarket and Waverley).
The problem with this though is not their fault, there's officially only the 801 in TSW, not the 800.

My biggest issues were trains using the wrong platforms at Haymarket and the GWR HST (almost all HSTs before they were painted were debranded blue units).

And despite that, their timetable is still more enjoyable that what Rivet offered with the route,.

 

It's easier to organize your timetables in one place.

 

Fair enough I suppose. A little deviation from reality doesn't hurt every now and again.

I didn't even know about the real services myself until I looked them up out of curiosity.

 

Just started playing and God those 385 windows are small