Instant Gaming Tsc Purchase Problem & List Of Add Ons I Should Get

This is a tricky one! If you want the simple solution and the whole route in thing without faffing about, get this: https://www.justtrains.net/product/western-mainlines-the-complete-collection
but it´s not JT´s finest work...

there are other solutions out there, like for example the Riveria Line by DTG and 3 or 4 freeware overhauls of the Western Mainlines with a requirements list from hell. I´ve lost track of what is going on with all of that to be honest. It´s confusing!

 

While the Western Mainlines started off pretty poor the later additions were a lot better. I know there's a very good revamp of it on ATS but I can't remember the name off the top of my head.

 

I just remember it was confusing and difficult. It´s not one single revamp, it´s like 3-4 different ones with seperate requirements, that you all need to install over each other to cover everything up to London. Afterwards you have to hunt down scenarios for the whole thing...

 

so update from instant gaming- got refunded 2 pounds and no crewe to holyhead and other route that was suppose to come with TSC :/
Well this is making my day worse by the minute.

 

i remember seeing others doing the full run from Penzance back to paddington, so surely theres a route out there for that. WHich one they used is really beats me.

 

IIRC you only paid £2.94 for the game, so you're only out by 94 pence, and you've still got the routes. It isn't all bad.

That's JT's route.

 

ah i see- just curious are there ever any EP for that GWML route?
And yea still peeved about not getting the crewe to holyhead with the base game because now I have to buy it. Classic even comes with acela express from what i saw, wouldve love to get that too without paying a fortune (and not that i have interest in US routes at all).

 

I'm not sure, but I assume there will be a few on ATS.

Keep an eye out over the coming months (probably in first quarter of next year) for a Train Simulator Humble Bundle as this will include TSC24 and lots of other DLCs. I massively expanded my library over the years through these bundles, to the point where new ones will only have one or two things that I don't have already.

Look out for sales for Train Simulator on the Steam page as the game often drops to around £6. With that said, TSC2024 isn't the greatest of bundles. All of its routes have appeared in past versions, and a two of them have extensions which are inexplicably not included.

 

the one i tried to get with WCML didnt have any bundles at all, i remember the holyhead route didnt have any bundles either unless you buy the game again which then comes with the game- Its annoying how there isnt a WCML/ECML/GWML/EMML bundle. If there is it makes life so much easier.

 

I agree.... but the next guy might prefer a WCML/GEML/GWML/EMML bundle, and his mate would want a WCMLoS/ECML/GEML/EMML bundle......
Surely with what you have you can be kept entertained until the next round of sales?

 

Buying the game again to get extra routes is standard practise in TS. Up until TSC2024 I had bought every version of TS to expand my collection.

 

That should be a short run

 

hopefully. (I still have yet to figure out how to pause the game without the pause menu to take screenshots so thats more annoying than anything else at the moment) and to mention that I have to figure which to get along with what DLC to make the purchases more worth it everytime.

to be fair, discounting the WCML south, i dont think any of the WCML routes (apart from classic because... i dont know which one i can get again for a cheaper price without getting the wrong stuff again) needed for the completion of the entirety (Along with other full ECML and possibly others) are part of a big bundle/game (at least to my knowledge). And unsure is it cheaper to get a full game or just buy what i needed (since I kinda just wanted the UK stuff at the moment).

thanks XD i corrected it.

 

I thought you'd got that sorted...

 

Thought we were in the TSW forum for a second there..

 

okay THATs sorted. Thanks knuckleshed.
but yea uh, if i dont care anything but the UK routes. Should i really just get the sole routes itself instead? Or still getting bundles still more worth it if it is?

 

Bundles will give you typically 1 US, 1 UK, 1 Europe. Put all of your desired DLC on your wish list. When they reach the desired value - purchase. Meanwhile I am sure you have tons of Scenarios to keep you busy!

 

If you are just running UK Routes do you really want to add German and US Routes to you drive?
Simply wait for the next Sale - it does get mentioned in the Sale thread - and just check what you want and the price
Blazin does a very helpful list showing all DLC that is more than 50% discounted.
https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/latest-sale.26955/page-55#post-899479

 

Mainly just the UK ones.

As for the GWML that people said for JustTrains, is it this one? https://www.justtrains.net/product/western-mainlines-the-complete-collection

And i will post my wish list whenever I can. I am nearly done.

 

Yes that is the one:
https://sites.google.com/view/trainsimulatorcontent/uk-routes/western-mainlines
I am showing it contains a massive 117 scenarios all told!

 

Glad to hear it’s helpful and that people find it useful.

 

holy wow that is a lot of scenarios. And also, do i get any train when i get the complete edition of the GWML?

 

No trains. In fact some of the scenarios will need you to purchase some JT rolling stock. They are all Standard so it is easy to swap out using Locoswap. I usually spam these scenarios with AP rolling stock.
Respectfully

 

Ah i see, and i forgot do you need to download another software for loco swapping?

anyway as for the wish list that i got for train sim classic stuff... i got way too many things to mention so the list is very big
Plan is trying to get all of the WCML stuff first (then BML, GWML and ECML). Alongside the route purchases (during a sale) i will take up a couple locomotives/trains along the way within a budget every time i buy stuff. So something like if I want to get the 68, i will have to get the Edinburgh to Glasglow route, while picking up the class 67 if i still got money left i will also get the class 57/0 as well (for use on the night Rivera).
For sure my next purchase until next sale would've been (if the budget can cover it) Crewe to Holyhead (??), 91 & MK4, Great Western Main line route (to get the) and Class 67.
apart from buying game bundles. If you guys have any tips on which to get which I would be happy to hear (also should this be in another thread at this point lmao)
As for the steam collection, i plan on to just abuse the MK1 carriages for now and run them on (ir)realistic mainline railtours whenever I get to them.

 

No, there's no requirement for Edinburgh-Glasgow. Research carefully; if you're confusing Ed-Glas with Fife Circle then you'd end up buying the *wrong* 68 if you then decided to apply the AP enhancement.

"Essential Requirements
DTG ScotRail Class 68 - More Information
This pack does not work with the Class 68 included in the DTG Fife Circle Line: Edinburgh - Dunfermline route."

 

Looking at your list, I'd go for WCML-N first as this includes the European Loco & Assets pack. That would also give you a nice long route to run the 68 on, particularly if you added the AP pack for the DRS and TPE reskins. Not on your list, but as it serves a base for a TPE Nova 3 coaches reskin, the Class 180 pack might be worth grabbing in a sale.

 

Some notes on your list:

• Assuming 'base' means a requirement, there are certain items on your list that have been listed to need requirements despite not needing them. These are:
  • Class 313/314/315 - While there are versions on Steam, these are cut down releases and are not needed for the main pack on the AP website to work. The only AP pack on Steam that needs to be bought in addition to the main pack is the GEML Class 90, as those liveries are not included with the main pack on the AP website.
  • Class 319 - There is a DTG Class 319 which is not a requirement for the AP one.
  • Class 150 - The 150/1 (flat front) requires the DTG pack to work, but the 150/2 (gangway) is standalone.
• The above also works in reverse, as there are some things on your list that don't have 'base' marked. However I assume you know about the requirements already so I won't bother you with it.
• Note that the Bulleid Light Pacific should be bought on PLD/BMG's website and not Steam. The only PLD packs that should be bought on Steam are the Black 5 and S15.
• The Class 180 does not have any AP enhancements, but there is a sound pack available on SamTSM's website. This is paired well with the Major Wales Revamp Pack which adds pretty much every livery and general enhancements to the train. Do note that the DTG 180 is very unoptimised and will frequently crash in the editor.
• The old Portsmouth Direct is listed in your routes. There is no reason to get the old one over the new one (which goes all the way to Waterloo). Additionally the new one is a requirement for AP's Desiro enhancement packs.
• You do not need to get the Modified Hall Collection as a new Hall is being developed. I can't remember if it's by Caledonia Works or BMG but either way it'll be much better than the current one.
• The AP MTU HST EP is no longer available and is set to be replaced soon. The Valenta will be next, then the VP185. I would recommend not getting the current VP185 pack.

 

Oh wow- so some routes includes assets packs so I don’t have to get them separately?!

Wait so. You don’t need the route and can just purchase the locomotives on their own and you can use them without the route requirement? So say if I want the class 67 which said can be used in the London to Oxford route. I can just purchase that locomotive and not get the London to Oxford route?

Sorry I didn’t clarify but “base” means I get the add-ons from steam.
• for the things that don’t need the steam add on and AP standalone is fine. If I don’t need the steam add ons, how do I put them in the timetable/route so they can spawn as Ai traffic whenever I am, say quick drive? And kinda the reason that I thought I needed the base add on for the timetable to layer on to quick drive. Or there’s a tool where you can just add new trains as ai trains?
• the ones that doesn’t have “base” are mainly the routes, as a lot of them are just on steam either way.
• hence why I marked down (PLD) for the light Pacific’s. By the way in TSC can you run steam locos that aren’t mainline certified irl to run on the mainline? And which is the standard black 5 add on?
• ah I see. I will remember getting those when I am getting the class 180 (is it any good in TSC btw and worth getting over other add ons?)
• I actually have the Portsmouth direct line (the one that goes to London) when I got the railway journey bundle. I checked AP’s requirement for the 455 EP and they said that it needs the 455 for the older Portsmouth direct line (and the /8 on steam), from what you said it seems like if I own the new version of the route already. I don’t have to get other 455 (SWR) from steam again as the new one covers that already? Is that what you mean?
• any more details on the halls? Would be great i can know which or who are the ones making the new halls?
• I have heard that. And I hope to get them… whenever (aka after all of them got a revamp) or when I got a route and it feels right to get them. MTU, then Vp185 then valenta.

 

When you validate a scenario with Locoswap it will highlight all of the rolling stock that is missing. You can then use Locoswap to change out all of the highlighted issues.

 

Yeah, but London to Oxford (GWML) doesn't include a class 67 anyway.

 

You can buy any loco and run it wherever you want - of course check for electrification in case

The DLC recommendation is referring to the included scenarios, which will need a specific route they're made for. But you can freeroam and make your own scenarios, and check what the Workshop has to offer (the best stuff is on there).

 

ah i see- (i dont know how to loco swap-) i can do this within the game itself or different software?

oh so that makes my purchases much more easier (and cheaper) then. I can wait for that london to penzance route.

ooooh i see- because i thought it was a similar thing to TSW where you need to get a specific route to get the additional trains to work. Thank goodness TSC doesnt have this (at least to some *stares at class 90*).

 

Matt has done fine tutorials (even showing what can go wrong ). It's really really simple.

Here's how to do it in game:

 

https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/locoswap-tool.61882/

I use this before I play a scenario. It even catalogs all of your scenarios by route and whether they have been saved or completed. Use the latest (see end of thread)

 

oooh i see-
as about my previous question for the requirement of the 455 EP? Since i already have the new version of the route i dont need to get the old SWR 455 now right? I just need the /8 add on?
and suppose i do want to ask what should i try buy along side the WCML-North

 

What kind of trains (passenger, goods) do you want to run, and what time period are you looking for?

 

mainly passengers, and you can base it on this list. (Just focus on the loco/MU add-ons) i have for wishlist. And unless there are some that are worth getting also but its listed in the low priority section, feel free to mention that too. At the moment i have only decided on WCML north and 91 and mk4.

 

The class 87 would fit nicely on the WCML, and I'd put AP's Mk3 coaches in the shopping basket too. If you also went for the Freightliner class 57 and grabbed the VP Virgin pack for it (https://www.vulcanproductions.co.uk/diesel.html) you've a nice little collection that works well together.
Why the 91 though?...it doesn't (prototypically) fit on the west, making the AP Waggonz class 90 a better option.

 

i actually already have the MK3 A & B and class 90 (hence not on the list). I actaully want to grab the class 91 and mk4 for the sake for itself and also so that the class 90 can haul MK4s. (And in the future getting the class 68 and class 67 so i can run loco hual trains on the crewe to holyhead). Or should i get one of the first both considering at the moment i dont have modern diesel apart from the 66 and 59.

 

The 68, as has already been noted, sits well on the WCML, particularly with a DRS reskin applied.

 

ah. I will try get them too along side the 91 and 68 (and their AP packs- speaking of which should i hold the AP packs until there is a sale? Or it aint worth the wait?).

 

I'm the wrong guy to ask about AP packs (not their biggest fan y'see) but...the AP 91 pack reputedly causes coupling issues for the Mk4s with anything other than the 91 so I'd suggest holding off the AP stuff until you've tried out the default models.

 

AP sales in my opinion are not worth waiting for. I am either wanting the better spec loco now or I can wait until I am using it. Changing the AI loco doesn’t matter ( just eye candy) only the one you are driving

 

If you Read the information on the Steam Page before buying a Route you will see what is included.
Otherwise you might buy something that is included with something else

 

ah i see (this part is sometimes still a little bit confusing) cuz i get confused with the scneraio bit, again as mentioned before I thought it kinda work like TSW.

ah- (i just rechecked the AP's EP on the 91 and 68, without any discount they cost up to 30 pounds (or 300 HKD for me and my budget is 500 HKD or 50 pounds-). unsure would i be able to get all of them within that budget-

 

It is expected there might be a Good Friday Sale and AP might do some discounts.
But you don't need to buy every loco/unit and route now - just get them when a Sale is on and Save money
If you don't have the AP packs you can still drive the trains.
I have a lot of them but not all - I chose the ones that I like.

 

trouble is, a lot of the user made stuff (at least from as far as i can tell) all required A LOT of AP packs. So i am a bit concerned on that end whenever I want to download reskins/workshop stuff.

 

But in many cases those liveries are available as other reskins (freeware) so can be used on the standard model---at most you just need to learn how to do a very simple bit of file managing/editing. Pick one, let me know and I'll throw together a little guide for you.
(and I'm sure if you asked others would give their method)
In addition, you can swap stuff you ain't got for stuff you have with RW Tools/TS Tools or LocoSwap

 

They may all require AP product as ‘eye candy’ it doesn’t mean you need those items to run the scenario. Use Locoswap to change out the ones you don’t have. It is better to have the AP product for the loco you are in control of. The rest don’t matter. OK so I have a Northern 158 meant to head past me. I will see it for all of 5 seconds. Does it really matter that it was actually a GWT livery? Use what you have and swap out.
Respectfully

 

Can I have the guides for both?

Suppose thats fair enough.