Just Trains Making Wcml Over Shap And Br Class 87

Actually their TS quality varies. Some of the earlier stuff relied heavily on reusing default Kuju assets and rolling stock so Edinburgh to Dundee had the farcical presentation of using Scotrail liveried Class 166’s on the local services. Then you have the controversial Met Line where you have to buy the S Stock separately from the route if you want to use it properly. Then the Chiltern Line routes, mysteriously withdrawn from Steam alongside issues with their common asset library conflicting with their other routes. Newcastle to Edinburgh, not bad but suffers from rather poor track laying in some places.

So yes they are a good developer but, like most, there is a bit of history there.

 

They also had a bit of a tree fetish for a while didn't they?

 

Agree, some of Just Trains' TSC routes have been pretty poor over the years, Chiltern Line wasn't great and the Paddington to Bristol part of the their GWR collection is horribly dated.
That all seemed to change when they started on the collection of Midland Main Line routes, the quality of which has been outstanding.
I believe the "cheat" with the Metropolitan Line is to buy it on Steam where you get the S stock with it.

 

Yes that’s how I bought the Met eventually with (I think) the S7+1, never got round to buying the S8 variant. But at full price worked out something like £80 to get the route and both sets of stock.

 

By any chance were any Mk2c and Mk2D coaches commonly seen up north around the Carlisle area during 1986ish. As I checked some old WCML train formation post and it said that they showed up north as apart of some cross-country trains. However some say they didn't and only Mk2f and Mk2a's were seen north as cross country trains or in mixed sets with 3as. I'm checking as I really hope in this loco DLC if a class 86 or a future update we can get some other versions of Mk2 coaches and maybe get a mk2D fk or a mk2 buffet. So we can get some variety other than stupid Mk2a's which are getting old.

 

Sorry If im a it late to the party. But I’ve seen some posts about an extra train. Where was this announced/ could I have a link please ect and who’s making it? Will it be added into WCML north or a paid dlc? Thanks

 

Air-conditioned mark 2's would have been more common, likely much more common than the early pressure vented ones on Cross country services.

Sadly we don't have enough BR carriages available.

One of the irritating things about Blackpool are the rakes of mark 2a's with a BG at each end.

This isn't down to JT though.

I'm glad they are making the mark 3 rakes I had visions of class 87's pulling those very same rakes of Blackpool mark 2's.

Some later mark 2's and a good selection of blue and grey mark 1's would be lovely.

 

It's paid dlc

 

With speculation going wild it will be either a Class 86, Class 81, 82, 83 or 85, APT or Class 108 DMU.

 

Given that a Class 104 is coming to TSW per that developer.... would JT include that with the route?

 

They'd have said by now.

 

When Just Trains announced WCML, they also announced they were creating a seperate loco DLC for the route. It will be a paid DLC.

The current popular suggestions for it are - Another AC electric loco (such as the 86), Class 25 and APT-P. I personally hope it is the APT but because it's for a BR route, I don't mind what it will be

 

I don't think we are getting a BR Blue variant of the Class 104 seeing as it is being created for a steam era route (1963) but then again, JT updated the Class 47 so we could see a BR Blue 104 in the future - Who knows..

 

The 104 is being made by simtrack not JT and it is being made in green, not br blue.

 

The Class 104's tended to work to the south of Manchester or across to Blackpool rather than into North Lancs and Cumbria where you were more likely to find a Class 108 on those services which had not gone over to Pacer or Sprinter.

 

Yeah, I think it was mostly air conditioned Mk2s and Mk3s. The older Mk2s were seen on the WCML in the early 80s, but not that often IIRC - more common on the Barrow branch and the Settle-Carlisle I seem to remember.

We’ll be getting the blue & grey Mk1s with this ECML rail tour pack, apparently.

 

I still think it'll be the 87 since they already have most of the model with the 86 and it's a "companion" on the same lines, so it would be a natural pairing. Not EXCITING mind you as they're mostly the same thing, but reasonable for the time period.

 

And then in their later lives, the 104s appeared on the GOBLIN in NSE colours. But during the 80s and 90's they'd all lost the headcode boxes that they are being made with for Peak Forest.

 

Jt's route is coming with the 87

 

As they were based at Old Oak Common by then, sometimes one found its way on to the Greenford or Windsor branches too, if there was a spare.

 

Sorry, the 86... whatever... I consider them the same thing basically. That's my point. =-)

I get it.
They're technically different, but one is based directly on the other and it's like having a GP-9 and being given a GP-38. I mean... yeah they're sorta different but they're basically just a slightly bigger engine and some cosmetics. There's no real job where one can't replace the other.

You'll get the people buying the DLC for that cosmetic difference and "cool" factor, but it's not really that much of a difference and it's relatively easy to use the one as the template for the other to save time.

It's 2 locos to sell for the work of say 1.5.

 

Apologies if you've already seen this.

Recent update list of compatible content locos and rolling stock

Going by the video the route looks not far off finished. No passengers waiting, although it was early hours. No Sparks from the OHE?

I've got a total of 14 DLC routes mostly British. so I have everything compatible for this route....

https://www.justtrains.net/in-development/train-sim-world-5-west-coast-main-line-preston-carlisle

 

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Only basic overused variants no restaurant variants and the like.

Now you got me wondering if any Mk1's operated near Carlisle back then in mixed sets.

 

I left the area in 1983, so can't really comment on the 1986-7 timeframe I'm afraid. Certainly in the late 70s-early 80s you'd see Mk1s on the Dumfries and S&C services. I don't recall mixed sets, unless you count a bunch of 2As with a Mk1 buffet!

The Dumfries (not sure where it went after that - Ayr? Glasgow?) trains were usually a rake of 4 or 5 Mk1s hauled by a 25... a great thrash run, and not too fast going past Kingmoor depot S&C was invariable a 47, sometimes a 45.

You'd sometimes see Mk1s on the special daytrippers out of Workington too, although they only operated sporadically. Usually they'd be hauled by a 40, always fun for photos thanks to the steam heating Destinations were always a mystery - I did a few in my time - some of them excellent (York, Nottingham), others not so (Llandudno particularly springs to mind, though it was useful for copping the Park Royals that were still just about hanging on). A fun day out for a couple of quid, as long as you weren't fussed about where you ended up!

 

Yhorm the giant

That's a game I don't fancy completing ever again!!

 

Spot on that...

The disappointing thing about Rivet is they are perfectly capable of doing the standard of work expected of them and is not a case of it being down to a lack of inexperience, but more to do with laziness... Anyway, I must wind my neck in with the Rivet bashing as I've covered nearly every bit of criticism possible, so if I don't stop I'll develop Rivit-itus... or should that be the name of the symptom for any of their future shoddy products? Oh here I go again...

On the topic of the new JT route, hopefully we can expect a similar release date to last year? And if so that could possibly mean it's just over a month away...

 

Having been a player of TSW on Playstation since the first game, I've never gotten round to posting on here but been an occasional reader to check out opinions on various DLC packs. I only really bother with the UK-based ones, but I'm really looking forward to this one especially - having grown up in Cumbria in the 80/90s, there will be plenty of nostalgia and as I've already got the Tees Valley/Trans Pennine stuff with the additional engines, I hope it means it'll lead to both Carlisle and Preston looking nice and busy - having lived in Manchester the last 20 years, I do chuckle at seeing Piccadilly looking so sparse!

 

Thank you I hope it is also the APT or a 90 (if those ran on this line at that time period) as the APT is different and would be unique whilst teh 90 could be used now with CC and Free Roam I could use it on WCML (freightliner) ect or railtour

 

I hope they improve the materials a bit on the rolling stock, the complete lack of reflection anywhere make it look like a TS Classic product. The 142 has the same material art style.

 

From my recollections of travelling quite a bit by train during the late 70s and into the mid to late 80s, to which we then got a car and stopped using publc transport, My memories of travelling north from Preston to the north was always the wooden panel mk2 air con carriages. In fact I am not sure when the Mk3s looked like inside. I also remember seeing compartment 1st class stock as well. I don't know why but my mind seems to sence that we had a buffet car which was blue inside with open/shut windows. Maybe somebody can clarify that for me.

As for the 104s they seemed to be the normal for me between Blackburn and Blackpool North, also down to Manchester Victoria via Darwen. Although I think they had gone by 86, there was the White Stripe 104s which seem to sneak onto the Colne services. I also remember having 108s on Windermeres, even with one breaking down and us having a Leyland Atlantean to Oxenholme which was with Ribble. Finallly there was also the time when we got a class 108 to get to Blackburn from Preston, but it went right and down to Ormskirk instead. Mind you we did finish up having a 105 afterwards.

I just hope they do the WCML Scotland in the same era, then we can play Carstairs shuntting.

 

The route is set in 1986. The class 90 (and thus the DVT) entered service in 1989-1990. I hoping for the APT as it would break the sea of BR Blue with it's unique livery

 

I know it's a very minor thing, but I do hope that they AI in some trains heading towards Whitehaven (my hometown) and maybe show the odd bit of freight to/from that direction. I can remember plenty of steel and coal from Workington and Sellafield back in those days. The Albright & Wilson chemical trucks for Marchon may be asking too much!

 

Ha ha, I’d love to see that… TBH I’d love them to do the whole of the Cumbrian Coast Line, as Workington was my stomping ground until 83. Lots of great traffic there!

The Sellafield flask trains would be a nice feature too!

 

I'd never expect a minor branch such as the CCL to get the treatment, but I do have lots of great memories of being sat on the cliff above Parton with my granddad and watching the various trains (very slowly!) crawl round the bend coming from Harrington and then rolling towards Whitehaven.

I only took up the free TSW5 update in anticipation of buying this route on the day of release, knowing it's the by the same people who did the very enjoyable Blackpool Branches pack.

 

So with it being the 9th of October today a fortnight since Just Trains last update do you guys think we'll be getting another update or due to the roadmap we won't as I'm dying to here more about the route.

 

Class 86's could be good for liners going north to Coatbridge....

 

We will be getting our fortnightly update tomorrow (09/10). My guess for this week is that it will be mainly focused around telling the hostory of each station of the Morecambe Branch, similar to what we got on the 11/09 update. JT have said more videos of the route are to come so we could see another timelapse video tomorrow as well..

I was thinking that (with today being Roadmap Day), they would prepone the update to today but nothing new has be announced in the October '24 Roadmap

 

Bit but nothing has been posted i wonder if they're delaying it to announce a release date.

 

It's not 12pm yet...........

 

basing off when BBO was released, we could see a release date announcement at some point in the next 4 weeks.. DTG are usually the ones who announce the release dates and they usually do it 2 weeks in advance.

 

This community really needs to get outside and touch the grass..... 11 minutes and an update hasn't dropped...

 

I do regularly go outside.

 

Excellent stuff. Clearly you don't have a sense of humour though.

 

What is the journey time approximately of this route.

 

Thought it was when converting it to my time but I accidentally dd Greenwich time by mistake.

 

According to RealtimeTrains, a Pendo run is about 70 minutes, an 87 is a bit slower, so I'd say 90 minutes.

 

Minimum 1hr and 30 minutes from Preston to Carlisle Morecambe branch idk. You could use real time trains but due to it focusing on the route in the current day there are different speed limits and other stuff but just assume from P to C it's over an hour

 

It's tough to give one "time" because different routes take different amounts of time. Some stop more than others for example. Just like any TSW route. It's no shorter, and it'll likely be longer than most routes.

 

It says on the Just Trains website

"We hope you've enjoyed that lengthy update. Look out for the next one, in a couple of weeks or so".