Not being a real Class 43 driver. I can't see anything to bother me between the two cabs above. Phrases like "massive mistake" seem silly to me. A massive mistake wold be modelling the Class 43 as a Co-Co, not minor variations in cab detail.
Keep in mind that AP will likely be retexturing and adding to the DTG cab. I think it'll be best to wait and see how it turns out.
Talking of cabs - I politely asked the barman at my local pub when I finished drinking the other day to call me a cab. He replied: Your a cab!
There are no differences in the cabs of the Kuju HST to my knowledge. There are differences with the headlights but that's because of the time period and not the region.
The HST cab on the original ECML scenario Need for speed has a clock with a BR double arrow symbol. Which is different to the cab on the Rush hour run scenario on the Great western mainline.
You're right, they are different. I assumed they all used the cab with ATP fitted. I don't know why AP didn't use the older variant (unless they did and I forgot).
Unfortunately, I can't - but I am still beavering away on multiple things in the background (HST cabs being one of them). Thank you though guys, it was an honour making the cabs, all 11 of them, I'm just sorry it's such a bugger of a pack due to all of the dependencies. There will be an update for the pack in due course, I'm only one guy so there's only so much I can do at once, though I am always at it building away in the background. (Fixed hoses) I have another MPV set I've been building in the background too, which I haven't shown off, and won't until the model is complete. After these MPV's, it's back to some other things Anyways, back on topic, just haven't posted in ages. EDIT: Also, I'm good guys, do not worry, everyone's cool and nobodies up to any shenanigans - I'm just a single full time dad with a very busy professional life, so comms have been light. Always building something though, typically.
Emailed AP about this and they came back with this: "We actually contacted Gold Star Trains before the release of their pack to see if we could include it in our pack instead, but they had understandably already made arrangements to publish it separately via Alan Thomson Simulations and it was too late to change that." Let's just wait and see what AP do with the DTG cab I suppose. It's not a bad model and with some enhancing, could well be just as good, if not better, than GST's. Hard to believe it will contain the variations of GST's though! I'm surprised some consider the Kuju cab as positively bad too. I think it's still actually a very respectable model considering its age and is miles better than something like the DTG 321 or 4CIG/VEP cabs.
To be fair, if GST already had an agreement with ATS, it wouldn't be a great look to renege on that at the last minute?! That's assuming they'd even want to as commercially, I imagine it makes a lot more sense to provide the cab upgrade as a separate pack. Put it this way, do you really think AP could get away with plonking £16.99 on top of their pack for those cabs?
It's good considering it's age, yes, but that's kind of the problem. Things that were good at the time, once surpassed by better releases, don't age will, and after using Duncan's cabs, then going back to the Kuju ones is unbearable for me now. Yes, there's no guarantee that what AP do will be terrible, and if textured really well, they could be superb, but like you said, I can't imagine the variations will all be there.
It could have been the best HST. Sadly, I don't think anyone will use the old Kuju HST with Duncan's cabs anymore once the AP pack is out. But then, considering their work on other cabs, they may well be of equal quality. Missed opportunity, but contract is contract. Never sell the rights to your work too quickly (and to the wrong person). If a certain Gary Kildall would have been at home at the time the IBM bosses knocked on his door to make a deal using CP/M as their OS for the IBM PC in 1980, everything could have been different, and Microsoft long gone...
In a way it's a good thing for those that bought the cab pack that it won't be included for free in the AP pack. If I'd bought it when it came out only to learn that the pack it was for would be superceded I'd be a bit annoyed. From what I've seen, I guess that the cab pack will be eventually updated for the new AP pack?
AT is probably the single biggest AP fanboy and usually would bend over backwards to accommodate them From AP's (unverified) response above in one sense it sounds like they wanted exclusivity of the cab pack, if so then I can fully understand GST's and AT's reluctance to do a deal, on the other hand if it was a case of also being released with the AP HST as well as the cab pack on ATS then I fail to see the issue, see my first point. Let's not forget AP notoriously play their cards close to their chest so even if they are using GST's cab, they (or anyone associated) are unlikely to spill the beans until they're good and ready to. I guess it's a case of we'll just have to wait and see.
I would like to believe that Alan would also like to have new AP HST with Duncans Cab insted of having two different things... I hope he gives in on this. Could be brought up in his group or streams and see what he says about it.
I really don't think it's a case of Alan Thomson having to "give in" like he's a big bad wolf. It's just unfortunate timing. Hopefully GST will update their pack for AP's HST and then everyone has the option to use it if they wish.
I'm looking forward to watching you all buy a *new* HST with a new cab and then buying a *new* newer cab to enhance that...
What we chose to do with our hobby money has **** all to do with you Mr Padley! :p Some of us work bloody hard and have disposable income to spend on whatever they see fit, personally I enjoy spending my money on Simulation games and addons, some people enjoy spending all their hard earned on liver failure inducing weekends and lung cancer, but again that's their choice. So yeah I'll be buying the AP HST day 1 and if there's a GST Cab pack 2.0 in the future well no biggie I'll happily pay for a quality product there'll be no lost sleep from me (other than staying up far too late playing TS of course).
Yeah, money really shouldn't be an issue when buying into Train Simulator and AP products. I own 828 Steam DLC plus all of AP's catalogue because it's my hobby. Previously spent the cash on cars and girls. All gone.... And I've got that nice card here...
.....is up to you; no problem there. All I stated was that I was looking forward to watching you all do it, which you can class as my choice of thing to enjoy watching
Back to serious.... But doesn't the cab pack on ATS apply to AP enhanced versions of the HST, which will all be superseded eventually?. OK, makes no difference to those who want to stick with those old versions, but I can't see that being many people.
Course not. It's a new development, the old one was merely a sound and livery pack for Kuju's HST, they're working on this for a year now. Maybe a price reduction, but I don't really care. How long is the AP HST EP out? Must be ten years now... I cannot get a new Benz for free just because I bought that Diesel in 2006...
The three AP HST sound packs were already out in 2011 (just found an update note from August 2011). So depends how you look at it.
Yeah, it's an evolution. First sound, then liveries and the enhanced scripts (Master Key, Train Supply), but still the old graphics. I wonder if the new pack will still install to Kuju\RailSimulator, or as I expect, be a standalone pack.
The "Kuju" HST itself is a little bit of a misleading nomenclature, as there have been a number of different reworks of it by DTG themselves over the years excluding the LNER version; (at least) two Great Western, a different East Coast variant and Intercity Swallow. All based on the original Railworks version of course, but not exactly the same.
I'll revisit the MCP at some point - 11 cabs is okay, but there's room for more. And some improvements
It's a bit more complicated. The LNER HST is unrelated to the Kuju HST and is based on the TSW model. It's got a much higher polycount but apparently is not proportioned correctly despite being a laser scanned model. The GWR and Virgin ones have a few extra features. Both have separated horn tones and adjustable lights, but the GWR one is pretty crudely done and barely works as intended. As far as I'm aware every other version is just a Kuju HST, sometimes with a new livery and sometimes with the same as the original. There is at least one cut version, that being the First Great Western vinyl livery with the gradient and dynamic lines on the power car. It can be seen in the loading screens in Rail Simulator. DTG did upgrade the Class 47 and 166, but the HST was not. I mentioned earlier that there is a higher poly version of the Kuju HST which wasn't used in game. Below is a render of that model:
And given that it's an FGW cab, I have to wonder where the ATP is on the speedo... Don't get me wrong—I'm probably still purchasing the new endeavour because it looks grand, but I hope that's an oversight, not an omission.
Sorry not very good at this.I reinstalled my AP MTU Pack uninstalled and reinstalled Dunkrez HST pack and now have FGW HST with working ATP.
Hope it does the trick for you mate, spent pretty much a full year agonising over the HST cabs while creating this.
It's getting a bit too much in TSC, several HST paid and freeware EPs some of which render other HST EPs unusable. We have the same with Class 390s, it's one EP or the other. The problem is until a scenario has loaded, you don't know whether which one was required. This leads to having to go into TS Tools to change the version of unit but then you also have to change all the AI Class 390s by which point I've lost interest. The sheer number of obsolete scenarios due to updated/different EPs, free patches and the like is making choosing an activity a bit of a lottery. Then 10 miles into your drive the sky starts flashing because the scenario pack you bought used the AP Weather Pack v.1 and hasn't been updated since. I've had a few hissy fits over that one. I'm at the stage where I'm going to totally delete TSC and start a new build with only NSE and Anglia area routes along with a few favourites in Germany. No wonder I'm spending more time in TSW now. It was the same with MSTS back in the day, though that generally needed a rebuild every 6 months because it wasn't very resilient.
The alternative of course is to have a game where nothing other than the provider's work can be installed.....you pays your money etc
So use TS Tools first, and if you need to change things use the "change in every consist" option...you only need to make one change per vehicle type then.
It's not as binary as that, is it? I was perfectly happy with TSC for a decade or so after AP and a few others appeared on the scene and took a very poor simulator up a level or two. And I've certainly paid my money, I've spent thousands on my TSC collection. It just seems to have gotten overwhelming as TSC has become more bloated. Maybe you enjoy tinkering in TS Tools. I spend my working day doing boring admin duties and using software that's not very user friendly. When work ends, I just want to click on a scenario and drive a train. Hence why I'm spending more time in TSW and planning on trimming-down my TSC collection.
