Instant Gaming Tsc Purchase Problem & List Of Add Ons I Should Get

Noooo - I was meaning to say "selfish of me" . (corrected as I now see how it reads) Damn the internet...

 

actually what is the recommended buying method for WCML atm? As in which DLC gets first and then next and so on.

 

Start with WCML North then WCML over Shap then Trent Valley. I am sure you already have South. Once you have these 4 then you would need to get the next piece from ATS

 

wait dont i have to also get liverpool and manchester route and the crewe to holyhead route to get crewe?

 

You will need those once you want to purchase the ATS missing link
https://alanthomsonsim.com/downloads/west-coast-mainline-midlands-and-northwest-aka-missing-link/
4/5 of the WCML are stand alone DLCs
To get it you will need to subscribe to ATS.

 

Had a little brainstorm. And heres the list of what i think should get from 1 to (however many) and since i already have WCML South, i wont be including it.
1. WCML North Carlisle to Glasgow
2. Over Shap Preston to Carlisle
3. North Wales Coast Line Crewe to Holyhead (i want some diesel routes lol)
4 or 5. WCML Trent Valley Rugby to Stafford
5 or 4. Liverpool-(Via Warrington Central)-Manchester
6. ATS WCML Missing link (1 year subscription) and OHLE pack.

Unsure which I feel like between trent valley and Liverpool to manchester route, ones cheaper so i can get some more rolling stock stuff when buying it or if i am not in a rush to get rolling stock then i can get trent valley first. Along with other purchases I will try get some rolling stocks to grow said collections so i can run different types of trains. The ATS stuff I think i should get last and making use of the subscription discount to get the OHLE pack for a bit cheaper price (not to mention i can give them time to get the missing link fully done cuz apparently i heard they are completing Phase 5 of the WCML south merge which is still WIP). If counting i buy a route every 2 months with a sale then it would take at least a year time to get everything fully done.

Also i got curious with the liverpool and manchester route and decided to find what northern EMU trains are still available. Apparently not even the Class 333 nor Class 332 (similar family of trains but for heathrow express) arent even made yet for TSC (nor TSW)- which wow so really the one EMU and DMU that exist for Northern really are the Class 319 (or 769), 323, 170, 150, 155, 156, 158 (and if u want to count this, 142 pacer).

Another thing that I am having trouble with is with the sussex line, i got another couple routes that i am force to buy again (aka the wherry lines) and i dont know rather or not which is the original chatham mainline, not only that the JustTrain commons library which you can only get from their routes. base on my shopping list that does only mean that if i am ever getting that its going to get via the full GWML- yikes.

 

Trent Valley is very good, must have imho.

 

156 posts...............LOL.

 

Why do you think you have to buy routes again?
The JT Common Library comes with many more routes than Western Mainlines, so to get it wouldn't be as expensive as I think you're imagining.

 

Once you start digging into 3rd party stuff from JustTrains, AP and ATS - or OTS freeware from trainsimcommunity, you will see that with each DLC you purchase you will need more requirements - up to a point where you got most stuff already. It took me years to build up my collection. I've spent a lot of money but I got an enjoyable and neverending hobby as a reward. (TSC has practically unlimited content and TSW is just too restricted and I hate the lighting.)

A good steal at the moment is the JT MML Complete Bundle - 215 miles with branches from Manchester to Leicester and Lincoln.
But - to play all the (well made) scenarios, you will find that you will have to get hold of a hell of a lot rolling stock and enhancements from BackDatedTrainsim, VulcanProductions, MajorWalesDesign, JT and so on. All fabulous stuff.

If all fails you can still use LocoSwap. Some ATS Class 37 reskins for example do not work anymore because AP have updated the Class 37 pack (this is an absolute must have if you're into classic Diesel traction) - reskins need to be updated too, that's something you should be aware of. That's why I'm not using 3rd party enhancements that are built on top of AP products, with the exception of GoldStarTrains HST Modern cab pack (AP HST will not get updated, it will be replaced soon). It can get very complicated as soon as you need to update your AP stock (apply MJW then GST again... uff). I have my own way using dummy folders for installing stuff - and my TSC is out of Steam's reach, so Steam cannot make unwanted verifications or changes - I do that manually to have full control.

Another thing is freeware routes - you should have a bit of a "hunter" instinct, as you will need to go hunting for freeware assets too. I literally spent weekends just leeching all I could from german, czech or italian sites. Slowly removing the milk bottles because you found that "mystic" asset can be very rewarding. That's a good concept, if objects are missing, you can still play the routes - instead of the missing object a little milk bottle is a reminder that TS did not find a file, but it lets you play nevertheless. (In fact all TSC needs is the tracks.bin file and a player loco, the rest is eye candy for the player. )

You should be aware of file management and get acquainted with the general RailWorks file structure, helps with installing repaints or other addons. The official "Utilities.exe" installer is hardly being used these days (it's not even good, as it doesn't preserve overwritten files), I pack my addons and mods into simple zip files.

Or stick with official Steam DLC if you're not so much into fiddling with assets. But the really excellent stuff is found outside of Steam.

And if you encounter some tree too close to the tracks, all you do is press Ctrl+E, click the tree and drag it away, press Play and within seconds you have fixed a bug "on the fly" while playing. The scenery tile will be written In TSW - impossible, you're degraded to a begging little child for DTG to "please fix it". We all know how this ends, mostly frustration. Just an example. You can modify the routes if you want, add tracks or scenery, remove stuff... creative freedom.

 

Is it? Any parts of the route you (or anybody here who have trent valley) that you think is good route? I am holding this route until somewhere last on the list because of its very lacking traction (Which both the 350 and 66 I already have).

For the first part, because apparently the sussex line's require specifically the wherry lines from steam. (are there even any assest differences between AP original and steam???), and kinda got no choice but to get it if i want the sussex line to work.
As for the JT common library, i dont want to get another route solely for the sake of getting a JT common library when my expense on TSC is limited and already at quite the big budget as it is, so just needing to get what i really needed.

thank goodness I havent download the stuff that are enhanced upon AP stuff, i have ever only download reskin stuff at the moment.
For the AP 37 part, I know the 2 packs includes all(?) of the variants of the 37s. By any chance did they have 37 254? And rather or not picking that up is still in the back burner at the moment as i am prioritising different other locos first. Though I think I have eventually get it because there is a freeware Class 73 reskin for the caledonian sleeper (or GBRF?) however part of its requirement was the 37 pack from AP. And I kinda like the shoeboxes.

 

My version of Wherry lines is from AP. There is no need to get the Steam version

 

No difference in the physical assets used, but the filepath to some of them is different.

 

Is it? Like what for example? As nothing would use root directory paths then surely everything from RailWorks in should be identical shouldn't it?

 

The Steam version has copied and repathed assets located in the asset directory for the route, whereas the version from AP's site uses those same assets but from their original location(s)

 

Oh yes of course, I'd genuinely forgotten about the inclusion of assets in Steam content to make it standalone. Doh!

 

then by any chance do you have the sussex line installed and have the required routes and asset to run it?

Ah i see- but suppose still doesnt change that i will need to buy wherry lines again but on steam for the sake of sussex lines.

 

NO!!!!
You use RW Tools to swap the assets you don't have in one folder path for those that you do.

As Spike wrote a few posts up...
"You should be aware of file management and get acquainted with the general RailWorks file structure, helps with installing repaints or other addons."

 

I do have the Sussex
(GB|TSL) 05:54 3S93 Horsham Up T.C. - Horsham Up T.C. MPV
(GB|TSL) 15:44 9N93 Bedford - Littlehampton - Class 700
Quick Drive

 

Oh right that I remember.

 

TS Tool is the latest name for RW Tool, Gary you are really showing your age and confusing new players!
Locoswap is a much easier tool to use for swapping rolling stock and understanding your current library of routes and scenarios.
TS Tools is a much deeper tool set and is less intuitive (in my humble opinion). Great tool if you are an expert in TSC
Respectfully

 

wait hang on- i just downloaded TS tools- if Locoswap is easier to use should i just uninstall TS tools-

 

Keep TS Tools - it is very useful in other ways as you learn about TSC and its HUGE ability to modify just about everything. TS Tools is very powerful and useful when swapping assets (as well as locos and rolling stock)

Also download a copy of RWInfo - it allows you to look at all of your current route maps and all of the locations on he map!

 

RWInfo | www.10a.ch
is it this one?

 

Amtrak at Hove Station - With Quickdrive you can put anything anywhere

 

Yes that is the version I run

 

I just use TS Tools for swapping assets. It is easy to use once you know how just like anything else.

 

...but absolutely useless at anything else. TS Tools (happy?) is a far more comprehensive tool.

 

Know your audience. Not everyone is a TSC veteran like you Gary. For a new player Locoswap is a more user friendly tool for swapping rolling stock. Granted TS Tools has more capability, however, coming into TSC cold is a huge learning curve.
Respectfully

 

Yeah...but the point under discussion is how he can use the SCENERY assets from the version of Wherry Lines that he has. Regardless of audience, knowing the topic is more important.

 

I saw the map above - which route is this please?

 

The Sussex Line - ATS

 

Basically, London to Brighton route with 10-15 miles to West Worthing tacked on.

 

can TS tools really do that?

 

TS Tools can be used to substitute missing assets from any other viable dataset you own (on your drive)

 

ah. actaully would it take long to replace/swap assests then? And honestly if it takes too long then i might as well buy the thing-
And since i havent get the wherry lines fully working (i am still havent got over shap and island line). Is it once after/i need to get the AP route fully working before replacing assets on sussex line when that time comes then?

 

Do you think I'd get away with stating that if it didn't?
Substituting assets is dead easy...all you need to understand is how directory structures work, and in some cases how .ap archiving works

 

No...you could have had it done in the time you've spent asking questions about it--it really is that easy so don't worry about it until you're in a position to do it.

What problems do you have with Wherry Line?

 

ah alright

I just didnt have the required routes to get it working. Because at the moment it looked like this. I assume reason why is because I dont have the required asset from the island line and over shap. I only bought the route was because so that I can get myself a Class 90 and DVT in AGA livery.

 

So where did you get those from?

 

The Wherry Line from Steam you don't need any extras. https://store.steampowered.com/app/...rwich__Great_Yarmouth__Lowestoft_Route_AddOn/
The AP one does.

For some unknown reason, I have both. I must have had a senior moment.

 

GA Class 90 and Mk3s Patch - Train Sim Community
apparently the reskin required the wherry lines from AP to work. (so long as i have the route the livery will work).

which is what i am talking about the AP one. At the moment i am seeing this as i need all the required route for AP's wherry lines from their website so i can get all the required asset first.

 

Yes, you need 3 routes from Steam if you read the requirements.

DTG GEML London to Ipswich - More Information

DTG Isle of Wight - More Information

DTG West Coast Main Line Over Shap - More Information

That is why you have missing textures as in your screenshot above. More than likely DTG has added these to the Steam version so that you don't require these routes. AP cannot do this which is why you have to buy them through their version.

 

Next time you see a reskin stating it needs routes just hold on. Ask in here for advice before proceeding.

That's as far away from Norwich as I can get, and uses nothing from Wherry Line
Unless you really, really want Wherry Line you've wasted your money.
On the bright side though, your screen shot shows you're only missing ground textures--that's easy to fix with TS Tools.

 

Could somebody with the Steam version of Wherry see if there's a Class 90 folder in it's Assets folder tree?

 

This is on Steam from the DTG version.
Included Locomotives & Rolling Stock
BR Class 37/4 in Unbranded Livery
BR Class 170 in Unbranded Livery
BR Mk2f TSO & BSO Coaches

I have both but the AP one is the only one I can find.

 

Steamdb.info

https://steamdb.info/depot/376970/

No. The Class 90 reskins come with one or more of the Extra Stock packs from AP iirc.

 

Don't you go throwing newfangled technology at Gary, he's only just stopped waving torches and pitchforks at TSTools for having the audacity to change its name from RWTools!

 

So will it be TSCTools next?