Enough Is Enough!!!

Why does it seem that dtg are losing more and more licensing for tsw? And what happens when there's none left, is that the end for tsw?

 

BR will always endure, problem solved.

 

I'm all for more BR era routes. Dtg seem to have strayed away from these. I seem to remember talk of these types of routes not being good sellers.
BR sim world gets my vote though. I guess I can't call it world.

 

Or the player base will have to warm up accept unbranded trains

 

Looks like they have already with wcml.
Never been a problem for me.

 

Yeah, I remember that. I think it's fair to say JT proved DTG wrong with that, I mean if BPO didn't sell well, why would they create another for starters. If NTP and/or TVL didn't hit DTG's sales expectations, maybe it's because the timetables were poor, especially NTP.

BPO had a great timetable that help made it a great route.

 

I think unbranded trains are widely more digestible than entirely fictional ones. Of course the most ideal outcome is a fully licensed product with all the right liveries and signage, but not every route can be GOBLIN. Of course there will always be a grumble somewhere when a license isn't possible, but the approach of WCML to cleanly debrand the 350 but keep certain recognisable but not corporately identifying parts of the livery is a good one that I think people can at the very least begrudgingly tolerate. It doesn't bother me so much, I see a 350 in white and green coming and I know exactly what it is.

This is different to the 484 however where Rivet didn't debrand it, but rather completely parodied and altered the livery into a fictional one. That I can completely get behind why people complain about it.

 

We can have fictional routes. Everyone loves them on here.

 

Yeah without a doubt one of the best routes available. They chose a route with a lot available rolling stock.

Ntp and tvl are good routes also, especially now there are timetables available, adding some more services.

I imagine Preston to Carlisle will also sell well.

 

Yeah if the colour scheme is right then it's a bit hard to notice the branding missing as the come past. I guess another way to look at it is, you wouldn't notice if your not familiar with with the route and branding.

I didn't really notice the difference with the 484. Not being familiar with it. But yeah I can see where people are coming from if it's a fictional paint job.

 

I think unbranded trains are completely fine to fill up the world, but the centerpiece should be branded. In some cases unbranded could even help. There is according to a screenshot in another thread a "heritage" train with the Santa Fe F7 in San Bernardino, unbranded coaches without MBTA and other liveries would work better than the branded ones used there currently.

 

They could have gotten a much better result simply by taking the Island Line branding off. The same goes for the 483, though that being said I don't complain at that since the NSE livery wasn't fictional, just out of time.

 

Well, I have to admit since I had issues with returning to the service, just like these described by OldVern, when I was saving i.e. during passenger load (in TSW2 and 3), I have stopped saving on stops and start during the run. As I'm still on TSW4 I'll give it a try and check if I can successfully return to the service which was saved during stop on the station.

I'm not satisfied with the workaround, it quite funny that every time I'm loading game from a save, I'm sincerely surprised that it had actually loaded and all is working fine - this is the kind of experience only TSW can provide dated TSW2

 

Meanwhile what we have in WCML:

Is not only simply a debranding of the real livery, but also could be taken as a somewhat believable halfway point between these two liveries:

 

That is a big difference. I can see why some may have a problem with it.
The colour of the 350 is slightly different also. I've passed them on the watford line a few times and wouldn't have noticed the difference, until compared side by side.

 

Silver vs White

 

White is the new silver! It's cheaper too apparently.

 

AP delivers both liveries, both using white. Could be the reflective finish that's causing it to appear silver in certain conditions?

 

Well AP doesn't care about trademark law!

 

That's not the point here. I'm glad AP handles it like that and LNWR doesn't have a problem with it as long as the files are provided free of charge. So nobody is hurt and railfans are pleased. Fortunately, not every TOC has your attitude.

Else it would be impossible to post any railway photos anymore, because of these trademark protecting maniacs.

 

I think the silver tint is just down to the material the real train is made out of, the same way you sometimes get a glossy look to the bodywork of modern cars, resulting from how the paint and bodywork catch the light. Game graphics obviously can't account for that, a surface will appear however it has been textured plus however that lighting system has been created. It still comes down to the same RGB code or whichever identifier they use.

 

And your evidence for this is?

 

And your evidence for this is?

Not that I really care, all I'm interested in is to have these liveries.

 

i also play TSC there are quite a few unbranded trains in there ..i also have no problem playing them either

 

Their actions.

 

I haven't been on for a couple of weeks; have there been any improvements to TSW5?

 

If you're interested, Just Trains new route says hello!

 

Which isn't an improvement to TSW5?

 

A few minor things, yes.
I´m starting to like the new 2D Map and the ability, to see all station names and trains on them. Also it´s handy to jump to different places around the map with the fast travel thingys on the 2D Map. I nice to just talk walks around all the stations without going back to the main UI.
the biggest one must be the trackshadow stuff on new routes. No more shadow running in front of your train on the tracks. The biggest "Gamechanger" for me.
There is also a feature called "route hopping", that is a cheap way of avoiding merges.

 

I'd argue it is!
Something different is certainly an improvement, new stock and in the pipeline DLC is an improvement, the promised timetables are certainly an improvement, variety of services- plenty of 15-20min short services up to 2 hour freight drags is certainly an improvement. It's making me part with money for the first time in 12 months so that's an improvement..

 

I’m still waiting for the improvements. Let me know when they arrive.

 

Source: https://ek-fotografie.com/fotografie/eisenbahn/diesellok/be 132 dr 232 db

 

My most anticipated DLC for TSW. The mighty Ludmilla.

 

That makes us two. Sooooooo looking forward to it. Fingers crossed she ever makes it to TSW. Definitely a day-one purchase.

 

Make that 3!

 

Neighbours will love it through the soundboard at full whack. Come on Maik don't keep us waiting. Money on day one for this!!

 

i agree with that or let the 377 be available somewhere else

 

In fact I would rather Maik/TSG prioritised Ludmilla over the 420, not least because it’s probably easier to find a home for.

 

Yes, plenty of units already, a heavy freight diesel would be most welcome.

 

But it is not that easy to prioritise something that is just not ready to be done. The 232 is a side project with not scheduled completion date. For a reason of course. The 3d art is still in progress and i will not go further before that part is done. Remember, the loco was build a second time from scratch 3d art wise, also for some reasons. That all needs lots of time an patience. The economical side of that project is already as worse as it could be. My goal is to have it done somewhen next year. No promises.

 

Good to hear its still got a possibility of coming, the DB content is what keeps TSW alive for me at the moment with UK content being extremely hit and miss.

 

Improvements are running late due to leaves on the track.

 

I really hope you get around to finishing it. It would be nice to finally see a big european diesel in TSW. I also like the way it looks as it is really similar to the soviet M62 - as a side note, is there anything common in them, or they just look similar?

 

I think you mismatch something here. The 232 is not really a M62. The DR 120 (DB BR 220) ("Taigatrommel") was a M62. The 232 was a new construction with direct requirements from the DR. Some bits are the same of course like some electrical stuff. But overall the 232 is a new and very own locomotive.

 

Yeah, I know they are not the same. But that was the point of my question - if they have anything in common, or they just look really similar (especially the design of the roof and the sidewalls)?

 

I don't think so...just for comparison...





Just for example...main front light in the body (232), and on the roof (120), the grille is in the (first) half and on the roof in the (second) half, quite extensive (232), while the other has a quite small grille just in, let's say, one fifth or even less than that of the loco, windows to the machine room in one half of the loco (232), while the other has windows to the machine room more or less on the whole side of the loco. One leaves a more 'edgy' impression (232), while the other is slightly more 'round', somehow (220)...front windows tend to be more a square shape (232), while the other has more a rectangle shape...so what is similar...both are six axle locos, and the side window of the driver's stand...I would say...

 

I said they have similarities, not that they are the same, lol.

 

No wonder stream trains stay so healthy. Lots of cardio! Chugga chugga choo choo!

 

Safetyvalve open:

And DTG [EDIT - Jan - Language] again. The LZB Ende was nearly Working right on Frankfurt Fulda. Guess what , newest patch made it worse. [EDIT - Jan - Inappropriate]

 

Ive had a enough of dovetaill lieing whats in the patch notes as some of it is still not working when they say it is this the most embrassing of realses ever