Just Trains Making Wcml Over Shap And Br Class 87

Pretty sure the Tees Valley route comes with the 37.
Most of that DLC can be picked up very cheap in sales.
Less so if on console.
Plus, it's not like the route is empty even if you had no DLC whatsoever.

 

Although Cumbrian Coast would be nice, the traffic might be an issue. I'd rather see them continue the WCML north to Glasgow, or make something entirely different like a section of the GEML or (God please) a third rail Southern region route in BR blue days, as I feel routes like that have more potential to stay engaging for longer.

 

Where does the article show a 37? I don't remember seeing one.

 

I’m pretty sure it’s a class 40, not 37, but I may be wrong

 

If we are looking at the same picture, I'm pretty sure is a class 40.

 

I think you're mistaking the 40 for a 37.
There are no 37s mentioned by JT.

 

You would need a class 108 for the Cumbrian coast set in 1986. I wouldn't mind seeing it next, it would be quite a different experience to WCML.

Whatever they make next will be great no doubt, I hope it remains set around this period whatever it is.

I have some holiday to use up and was going to book some time off in November. I think I now know what week it will be.

 

The 101 getting the suspension update plus new sounds and exhaust is a nice little bonus as well

 

If it's this picture yeah it's a 40.

Though the 37 does appear as AI traffic on Blackpool branches so I wouldn't be surprised to see it spawn in on WCML north as well (As non-driveable AI)

 

From the JT Facebook

 

the main loco for TVL was the 37/5

 

Any chance of back-layering as AI into Blackpool branches? That would make that great route even better.

 

Nice to see the freightliner containers!

 

Really excited for this one....it's set to become one of (if not THE) best UK DLCs in the franchise. JT did a cracking job with Blackpool Branches so I have no doubt this one will hit the same quality level. Cannot wait until the 21st

What would come back though? The 87 is electric (and theres no ohle on BPO afaik) and the 47 & 08 are already there. The only other inclusion could be the wcml 101 instead of the TVL version in BPO

 

All the WCML services and electric hauled freight at Preston as AI.

 

Just a thought whilst watching AP's trailer for the class 87, would the MK3 DVT not have ran on the WCML in 1986 or were they introduced at the same time as the Class 90s?

 

The plan is for the 87s to be layered onto Blackpool Branches at a future point.

 

cant wait for that route it looks amazing yes

 

DVTS same time as the 90 I recall which were introduced in 89

 

Sacrificial lamb time here....

Yes, the route, low sun, volumetric fog and close up images look fantastic, we all know how good UE can look.

But I cant be the only one to see how poor the distant scenery is? The dark brown ploughed fields atop the Lune Gorge (the best bit of the route IRL) with the bright grey stone wall....The sporadic trees and distant tiling on the Burton and Holme station shot...Carnforth looked terrible too.

I'm always tutting at suggestions of 'wrong type of fence' or 'wrong coloured ballast' in these forums, but given the amount of smoke blowing going on for JT, and the crit thrown at DTG recently, well, I thought a little gravity was needed.

I'll still buy it, but c'mon people.

 

My mistake...its been a while since I've played BPO and couldn't recall the ohle at Preston. Good news about the layering for the 87 then

 

That's because this issue was already raised, JetWash did this massive write up on it on page 14.

Several replies discussed it, as well as getting a reply from a JT member addressing these.

I don't see much point in discussing it further, I think JetWash & Mark has pretty much said everything that needs to be said, they're well written, respectful, and lengthy replies.

 

is that freightliner branding I see?

 

I'm not exaggerating when I say this is the most excited I've been for a TSW route. When you're an adult, you don't get the same level of excitement about things in life as you did when you were a child... This is one of those exceptions for me!

 

JT Mark's reply basically said 'that's how things are'. Fantastic.
If only you could've said "I don't see much point in discussing it further" in most of the other 15 page route rants in here, the place would be a much more civilised forum.

 

How often do we get a response like Mark's, which isn't full of marketing fluff and damage control? If DTG gave brutally honest answers, with reasoning these forums would have a lot less of those ranting threads. As seen on the last page, the area does appear to have these stark changes, though I will admit that I rarely frequent the area. It is still so far ahead in terms of the quality of scenery.

 

Just Trains in my eyes are the most transparent third party I’ve ever seen, they respond to constructive feedback in a professional manner, they listen to the community, and they really do take into account how much we are rooting for their products. It’s how it should be.

 

Freightliner was part of BR until 1995, so it'll be BR-era branding. Unsure if this era of the brand belongs to DfT or G&W, most likely the former. If they can talk G&W into a new license that'd be fantastic tho.

 

Can I just mention how well Just Trains here have handled the constructive criticism?, because they’ve handled it so good. Such a calm and professional manner.


Wish more third parties were better at this


Honestly, they’ve tried their best with the LIDAR, it’s better than not using it at all. Doing this, on top of a 100+ mile route is impressive to say the least, and I’m sure there will be plenty of stuff to componsate. I trust just trains, and I think a lot of other people do too.

 

You must be mistaken

 

Dont know if that was mentioned before but what distant scenery??
Irl this place looks more like the windows XP wallpaper, theres nothing on these hills, no trees, no bushes, no houses.....
Its really just bare hills unlike on berina or irl arosa where there are big and rocks alpine mountains

Ofc its maybe not perfect, but poor is something else. I think with JT we need to have little concern about scenery

 

The 87 will be put onto Blackpool branches route. Using the WCML diagrams.

 

I think its like that in real life

 

I have a minor question - do we have tail lamps placement option on all coaches (mk1 NAH / mk2a / mk3a) ?

 

No, it's not like that. There's a lot more visual variation in ground texture IRL and it certainly doesn't look smooth, even glossy, in appearance. I think the problem is the lighting, which makes it look like a smooth surface with an image wrapped over it, which is exactly what it is, so it's a lot more specular in appearance than feels 'natural'.

 

It won't take away the awesomeness of the route for me so it's not that big an issue, although it was noticeable in some screenshots.

However if this was a DTG route there would likely be a complete thread about it full of angry users and if it was a Rivet route the pitchforks would have really been out. This issue would have been discussed a lot further.

 

For TSW6 we can only hope DTG prioritises sorting out the graphics and environment rather than the fluffy core improvements we had this year.

The abrupt texture changes and glossy appearance aren’t going to overspoil the route for me and once the environment mod is updated for the new route should take the edge off the shininess, at least.

And it’s certainly not going to be a bother gronking around Carlisle with 9T30/31/32/33.

 

With the class 47, can you let the needle go into the yellow zone or not?

 

Agreed. On a lot of routes the distant scenery doesn't match the quality of the immediate scenery.

I doubt I'll even notice it much and it won't take the shine away from the route.

Nothing is ever going to be 100% perfect and I wouldn't expect it to be.

 

Absolutely hyped for this. Even tho i have no connection to BR Blue, wasn't even born at this time and im actually german, those screenshots must get you excited if you are into Trains


About the Price.... All im saying is this : summaries what Skyhook takes for MML with all its freight DLC... No question for me who wins "value for money" in this Case. The Price is absolutely well placed.

 

Morning all,

Apologies for my delayed responses here, myself and my other half have just welcomed our first child into the world so alas things are a little chaotic!

Please find below responses to the most pertinent comments, thanks as ever for all the feedback!

JT:That was just a screenshot taken in free roam, the only loco hauled stuff off the coast (at the north end) are freights, and a Class 20 railtour (selected months)

JT:Yes the Class 142 does layer from Blackpool Branches

JT:Same 47 as Blackpool Branches with a whole swathe of new nameplates, other varieties (snow ploughs), possibly a few other changes which we'll confirm with Ed Fisk for an upcoming in dev entry.

JT:Regarding this, it's a fault on my part for not spotting these when taking the screenshots, I think Tom replied, this will be corrected before release and needs us to just assign the correct number logic.

JT:Indeed we've taken a lot of time to sort out the approach release from red into the loops across the route, each slightly different depending on entry speed etc. We do also feature the approach control (flashing aspect) signal into Lancaster.

JT:The plan is to get the 87 featuring at Preston on AI trains. No date set though.

JT:As I said in my response, opinions are welcome on this, at the end of the day we're really happy with what's been achieved, personally I would politely disagree with your own opinion and that of Jetwash, but I don't see why that should cause drama. We can all have our own thoughts in life, and if such a matter means you would not purchase the route then that's fine, we have to see what we can learn from it, but at the end of the day, we're proud of what we've put together and once its released are hoping most people will agree. However, we expect and fully understand that some won't like it, and that's fine, you can never please all of the people all of the time after all, and to try is a fools game, you can only do your best in life!



Thanks as always. Look forward to sharing more soon regarding the Class 87 and other rolling stock included with the route. The 87 is great fun to drive, you are permanently on your toes!

 

Just to clarify my earlier question please Mark, regarding the Class 87 sounds presumably we will hear these in all their glory, not drowned out constantly by the fan as was the case on unmodded TSC version, or indeed the DB 103’s and 110’s in TSW?

And congratulations on your new addition to your family too.

 

Thanks Vern.

To my ears they're great, plenty of motor racket with fan on the side, with many other sounds to boot. I'd be lying if I personally said I was an expert on Class 87's, that's why this sort of thing is entrusted to people much more knowledgeable than myself! Ed is currently finishing these off, of course they'll be fully shown off from all angles on the DTG preview stream so be sure to check them out

 

Congratulations on the baby, best of luck to you!

And also, snow ploughs!!!!! That answers my question on the Discord too as I assume they'll be on the ScotRail 47's. I take it 47461 with its ScotRail blue stripe livery is not included?

 

Thank you.

Yes, I'm not in game at the mo' so check full details when announced but off the top of my head the ploughs feature on the IC/SR liveries as well as Eastfield allox locos in Blue/LL. We have of course cross referenced from photos as to which locos carried them.

47461 is not included, no.

 

I expected as much, not really worth making a separate livery for a single loco.

 

Not to say we won't do it in future, just we thought the other additions had more value on this occasion and we've already given Ed more than enough stuff to add into package! I would love to see it myself, quite iconic.

 

Firstly congratulations, at what is most certainly a busy and hectic time and hopefully not too much sleep deprivation!!

I think the route you have created is superb - looking through the various screenshots. The reality and atmosphere of the mid 80's has been captured really well. Great to see the first UK electric loco being such an iconic one too.

This will only be the second route I will purchase on day one, so that is a big accolade from me. Well done to the team and for how much you have included in a single DLC. It does raise the bar for others to follow and you deserve every success with this release.

 

Cheeky, but any chance of the unique 87006?

 

Congratulations on the new arrival.

Very much looking forward to this new arrival on the 21st.