Just Trains Making Wcml Over Shap And Br Class 87

What was wrong about it?

 

People complaining about the doors, or that it doesn't have much exhaust...despite the fact that the 158 doesn't have much exhaust in the first place

 

But surely TSW has built-in scaling for consoles and lower-end PCs via the scenery adjustment settings; why would they need to hold back?

 

That would be an excellent Mastery Reward !

 

Image from more or less near the shap summit, where hills looked flat ^
Looking at the hills on the route irl there really isn’t much detail you can add to it anyway, TSW can only do so much.

it is definitely glaring, and I definitely got some PTSD from rivet for a second, but seeing as the hills on this route are literally like this in real life, this can be let slide.

the difference with rivets routes, is that stuff like this appears EVERYWHERE on the route, and it doesn’t look like it irl
also, please do NOT compare rivet to Just Trains in this situation, because they couldn't understand the effort that goes into something even remotely close to this (quoting a certain statement)

So In my opinion anyway, this is Debunked

 

Hills and moors like that are why I think Settle - Carlisle is overrated. Much prefer the Tyne Valley.

 

You haven't seen Berminalinie then?

 

Bernina may have been rivets best shot, but it was an absolutely staggering route choice, even then, doesn’t even come close to what JTs produces with Preston Carlisle


Variety? Way more
Timetable? Way More
Locos? Way More
Length? 5x More. 100 miles, compared to what? 19 on Bernina?

Preston Carlisle absolutely wipes this route.


These Routes are Extremely Different from Eachother, not because JT is just better. Because they have different operations, and irl scenery

 

JT are producing one route a year. Rivet aren't. Not a fair comparison.

 

True, you can't compare. Rivet aren't even producing one route, more a case of chuck out some half arsed abomination and call it a route.

 

Despite all the talk about the scenery etc. I just wanna outline the positives




Variety:

the variety on Preston Carlisle is insane, you are getting 3 locos included, one new, (iirc), the 47 has around 5 different specs and variants, including the snow plough and other liveries. 87 has the IC livery, along with the BR Blue livery.
It’s almost like every single loco that’s going to pass by is going to be different in some sort, like the livery or something else.
While the 101 doesn’t have any new liveries, it has still been remade from the inside, with it having various changed from NTP and TVL. Something great to see
Truly Unmatched Variety in this route, more than any we have seen so far.

Scenery:

this is something I can’t really judge just yet, as it’s slightly early, this is something more for the preview stream, but it’s looking good in the screenshots, despite some stating otherwise.

other stuff will be judged after the preview stream, as it’s too early for it

 

To my knowledge the scenery is mostly the same on the different platforms.

Note that on BPO the thick grass by the tracks ends immediately after the first fence.

 

I was referring to their depiction of the mountain scenery and your comment that they don't put any effort in!

 

Or Central Wales/Cambrian!

 

Charging for it though also aren't they. Does the Rivet price reflect the standard delivered?

 

The prices they charge are irrelevant.

You can't compare JT that has released only 1 DLC (with a second on the way), against Rivet who have produced multiple.

 

which scenario is that?

 

What we can say though is, Rivet has made several routes, yeah... But was there first route into TSW upto the same standard as JTs first route for TSW if we are comparing them on that basis? Nah. Definitely not.

I'm also confident enough to say WCMLAS will be a huge success compared to any of Rivets titles...

 

They should really add a option to preorder this dlc as I can't wait for the 22nd.

 

I honestly don't understand the reason to pre-order a virtual game / dlc.. A pre-order is designed so you can secure your order of an item that is in a limited stock but why pre-order a virtual game/ dlc if there are an unlimited amount of it? if you get what I'm trying to say..

Fair enough, I pre-order the next TSW game but only because of that discounted price (which is only 10% but it's still better then the RRP)

 

Let's just stop comparing them.

Why are people so obsessed with doing so?

 

It seems like when JT create scenery that is flat (which is how it is IRL) people instantly compare it to rivet, since they use it so much…

 

I'm not invalidating people's opinions, but it was people comparing some of JTs small blips to Rivet huge blunders who started the debate in the first place! My white flag on the subject is waving from this comment forward though...

Hopefully later this week we get the proper preview stream of the route? So excited for it!

 

Agreed, the best option to properly judge this route is the preview stream, but as of now, I’m absolutely bloody stoked for it, it’s looking amazing so far, and in terms of rolling stock, this is better than any TSW route we have seen.

 

I think the stream is the 14th? Too days after my bday

 

screenshot is slightly outdated, but I’m using it anyway, as I can’t be asked to go on steam db at the moment

I’m actually in disbelief right now. Preston - Carlisle is an absolute monster.


This is the steam DB for it, this route is HUGE at a fat 16GB, which means that there is a LOT of assets placed, like, most likely double the average route, in addition, this makes it the largest in terms of GB, route in the game.


For comparison, the last biggest route was KWG, that was 11GB, and 186km.

 

I personally wouldn't classify those complaints as "physics" but fair enough, I guess with doors you mean the sounds? Iirc these were actually correct based on the time period, but there was some anachronism regarding the interior PIS setup, although I can't quite remember.

I don't think I heard any criticism of the physics of the 158, except for maybe that some people thought the acceleration should "lag" behind the RPM spool up, but after discussing this with two Class 158 drivers when I made the physics of the train I came away with the conclusion that this is most likely just the brakes being held in step 1 until the engines have revved and then the lag is from the brakes releasing.

 

With the Highly Anticipated WCML OS release, to be the end of this month, it is interesting to see how it performs against the ATS route (Manchester - Alderley Edge Via Stockport and East Didsbury)

it is likely in the roadmap coming forth, there will be more images of the Manchester Airport Commuter









Just Trains may have some Competition here, ATS in terms of close up scenery is looking just as good. Very similar


I know this comparison is a little strange, because of the different eras, but still, it’s always interesting to see the style of different third parties.

 

Only personally I am upset by the fact that both are British routes (I would like the same love for American and European routes) :C

 

I think it's "Fun around the Firth"

 

The ATS route suffers from three main disadvantages (preconceptions about content from the bearded one’s lair aside).
1. It is too short and should have gone to Crewe.
2. We already have a Manchester suburban route in the game with the same modern(ish) EMU.
3. It’s another modern electric bus service through flat scenery.

The JT route, subject to final evaluation, ticks all the boxes the ATS one doesn’t.

 

Many on here are obsessed with Rivet. They presumably can't be that unsuccessful as they still wouldn't be making content.

This forum gets more like a soap opera every day.

 

I doubt there would be much competition. If you like solely modern routes then you are likely to get the ATS route, if you prefer backdated routes the JT route. If you just like UK routes you'll likely get both.

Personally whilst I am sure the ATS route will be very well produced it doesn't hold nearly as much interest as the JT route which is probably going to be my number one route in the sim for some time.

I will get both but if they came out at the same time I'd get the JT route first.

 

Same, I buy all UK DLCs eventually (dependent on finances) and I'm more excited for WCML north than another trundle around some suburbs stopping at every three barn gate. If they both came out on the same day, WCML North is the one I'd buy first.

 

Agreed, if I were a route developer I wouldn’t see other developers as ‘competition’. I think most people buy the routes they’re interested in (based on location, era and quality) and the number who don’t buy one route because they choose to buy another instead is relatively small. Another developer making good quality routes will grow the overall TSW player-base and therefore the size of my market. The degree to which they reduce my sales by people actively choosing their routes over mine would be small.

I’d imagine there would be a point where there’d be saturation of the market, and so many quality routes being made that it’s harder to get good sales on each one, but TSW is a long way from that.

 

Is this still the case, can't find the source? I think this will be up there with the most watched streams for TSW to date.

 

It's in the route article where it announced the release date

 

with the amount of hype behind this route, the screenshots, the amount of variety, the way JT has built this masterpiece, (yes, I’m calling this route a masterpiece, because it literally is) I really wouldn’t be surprised if this route would be the most watched preview to date.

and if JT executes it right, and I have faith they will, it COULD be the best selling DLC of all time for this game. Even with the £32.99 price tag.



I’m not afraid to say it. But…



this is LITERALLY the most anticipated TSW route of all time.

 

I don't know about non UK routes but I'd definitely say it is for the UK. Many because they are excited by it, others because they want to pick fault and say "HAHA, Told you so!!"

 

It seems to me the only hype for this route is being generated in this very thread by folks getting over-excited and already labelling it a masterpiece just from a few screenshots. I’m sure it will be a quality release but people need to calm down to avoid possible disappointment lol.

 

100% agree with you!

I'm not exaggerating when I say I haven't been this excited for something since I was a kid at Christmas!

 

I note the term " railfan" which seems to be used nowadays (USA) , rather than "railway enthusiast" at the train station, I mean railway station.

 

Yeah how dare people look forward to something.

 

Everyone.


Grab your dog
Grab your cat
Grab your family
Grab your goldfish.
Grab Your Snacks.
Grab your 3D Cinema Glasses
Grab Your Suit and Tie

because the 14th is going to be a wild ride.

 

I've booked my PS5 for the livestream lol

 

Not sure if you are wilfully misinterpreting my post, but I'll bite. Contrary to your insinuation I am very much looking forward to this release and I believe have already expressed as much in previous posts. However, when one reads words like "hype" and "masterpiece", it's clear that some may be setting themselves up for disappointment. First of all, as far as I can see JT has in no way overhyped the route in its announcements, but expectations are seemingly running at fever level in these forums. My main point is, that realistically, I would expect a similar level of quality to Preston-Blackpool (which would already be a very satisfactory outcome), but whether it will be an utter masterpiece remains to be seen. Roll on the 21st November!

 

Was upset about not getting tickets to Jimmy Eat World, now I'm not so bothered!

 

Sorry my bad, I did misread it, having a bout of Covid isn't helping but that's just an excuse, so yeah I apologise.