They were also on 26's, but built into the body: Also the bottom of the plated over headcode box from a 86 can be seen in the screenshot, so I'm 99% certain it's a 86.
A McRat would be nice Especially if it meant Just Trains might be giving us WCML North and a 1980s version of Glasgow Central.
Glasgow would be a logical next step in the WCML.It's roughly similar distance to the Preston to Carlisle I think.
Also above the nose as well, I think these variants often appeared on the Kyle of Lochalsh line. (Not my photo)
Presuming it is an 86 in development, would it not be great if this came as an expert loco? I think it would be a worth the extra development time and price.
IF we ever got scottish 37s, I would be very happy! I'm guessing that JTs next route will most likely be Carlisle to Glasgow again set in '86
That would make the 87 coming with the route entirely redundant. Plus the 87 will likely be more advanced than the standard TSW loco anyway, although it won't be as good as the AP one in TS.
That must be a later mod perhaps as The Railway Magazine have timed a run in the Royal Scot with a Class 87 where they reached 126mph.
Here's hoping we also get some new coaches to go with the 86's (although the loco itself would be more than enough!). Mk 2 aircon and Mk 1 RBR anyone?
People around here consider any slight modification a whole new kit, so they don't see it as redundant as all. I'm with you though, they're very close to the same thing.
however, whilst I do agree it would be an odd choice to have two AC electric locomotives on the same route, it isn't far from being realistic as 86s & 87s did work alongside each other on the WCML during the 80s before the 86s moved down south for work Intercity services on the GEML between Liverpool Street and Ipswich but after a bit of looking on Wikipedia it does look like the 86s started there migration around the time that Over Shap is set as the first IC services started from 1985 Quote "InterCity electric-hauled trains commenced on the route on 1 May 1985. Class 86 locomotives initially only powered services between Liverpool Street and Ipswich; after a switchover, Class 47s would complete the journey between Ipswich and Norwich. This last section was finally energised in May 1987, when through electric services commenced." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Eastern_Main_Line#British_Railways_(1948–1994)
in 1986 there would still be plenty of 86s on the WCML alongside the 87s. Both stayed on the WCML along with the 90s until the 390s were in full use. With what JT did with the 142 i'd certainly expect a few 86 subclasses to be included
Watching younger players having a mental breakdown trying to drive a class 101 DMU was entertaining. Seeing them struggle to drive an expert tap changer loco would be priceless.
Class 86s had a constant presence on front line WCML duties from built until recent times when Freightliner stopped using then on Container trains. Only a handful worked on the Anglian routes compared to the WCML which saw them on many different duties.
A WCML set in the 70's, 80's or 90's without an 86 would just be unrealistic. Personally I am glad it's an 86 (well almost certainly it is) even if to a non-enthusiast the two engines are too similar.
You could say the same about the class 85 though, as they were still big on freight duties after they got relegated from passenger work. The only thing stopping me suggesting class 82 and 83s, is that they were doing nothing but ECS moves by the time the route was set... though I think at least one of the last class 82s saw Intercity Executive livery, so that would be nice to see.
Hmmm didn't even know about the Class 85. Yes, it does seem that it ran until 1992 on the WCML too. Ah hell why not the whole family..85, 86, 87....88? Just kidding.There's already enough electrics in game now to choke a Yorkshire sow. =-) There do seem to have been a whole slew of 80's series electrics though. I can see why consolidation and fewer types would be encouraged later. Imagine trying to keep spare parts in stock for all those locos at once!
I think they were there even later than that, on Freightliners. Certainly though, when I was in that area in the mid-90s, you still saw as many 86s as you did 87s. They were on all the cross country services, the Freightliners, and also appeared on some Anglo-Scottish services - and not just when standing in for 87s (although that happened too) - some of the Anglo-Scottish services were regularly an 86 and were timed to 100mph. By the time I was there they’d be formed of an 86 with a rake of air-con mark 2s, but with a Mark 3 buffet car and a Mark 1 full brake (usually 9 or 10 coaches in total). In 1986 I think a Mark 1 buffet car was probably more likely in those sets. These sets spent most of their life on Euston-Birmingham/Manchester/Liverpool/Preston services, but they did still have the odd diagram which took them to Glasgow.
Yeah freight work lasted years longer, only ended fairly recently I think. Saw many at Nuneaton and when I was at Carlisle on rare occasions saw them many times on liner traffic
They were last used a few years ago; the Greater Anglia Class 90s replaced them in the end. They has really reached the end of their serviceable lives and like the 313s were becoming fire hazards.
I'd have been happy with an 85 rather than an 86. Maybe a future DLC or maybe an 81. I would love an 85 but would take an 86 first.
On a related note, are there any neutral spots in the UK electric routes? That really put me off of electrics up to this point. In the UK it's not so bad because there's plenty of diesel stock (mostly 47 or 66) handy on most routes to use too. For the Germany stuff though, it's slim pickings for diesel.
Yeah, haven't seen the livestream yet. Just curious. I always seem to miss the signs and wonder why "train no go no mo." I'll probably be chugging along with my good ol 47, but might want to try the 87 sometime. It is weird they'd do the Class 87 as standard with the route when a lot more Class 86s were built and used (at least that's what wikipedia says, I wasn't there myself ;-)
The 87s worked the express trains, they were the flagship loco on that route for years. The 86 is coming though
All has been revealed for sure then! Very excited for this as the 86s are lovely machines. Just as importantly we will eventually get some air con MkIIs, which I really do this are more than due for the game, and something which has been due for even longer, a MkI buffet. I am sure there will be a bottle of champagne opened in a particular gentleman's house!
Oh yes. Fantastic news all round from JT. They have read the UK classic market perfectly on this one. Of course always room for more and with this under the belt, maybe some sleeping cars (probably Mark 3 but Mark 1 would be nice) and a Type 2 diesel, Class 25 or Class 26!
Excellent news. I thought it would just be an 86 (as they also ran with mark 3s, so there was no obligation to build coaches) but to have the a/c mark 2s and even a mk1 buffet too, is fantastic.
I am not sure if it has been put on here anywhere officially, but I have just stumbled across this on JT's website. Not much more on there at the minute, but one I'll be keeping open and refreshing a lot over the next few weeks. Just Trains - BR Class 86/2 & Mk2F Coaches
Again they go above and beyond: three livery variations, three different front ends, they’re spoiling us!
Just noticed we get variants on the HI headlamp! None ↑ Stone Faiveley Panto Original/ Scottish ↑ Brecknell Willis High Speed Pantograph New ↑ EDIT: Also in these photos you can see the different pantograph variants are modelled.
The 86 is a great addition and I hope one day we’ll have some MK2 DBSO, I imagine a Class 86 + MK2 DBSO in Anglia or Intercity livery. I’m just dreaming.
Or the other variations of the Aircon MK2s, (BSO, RMB etc) which I’m sure did appear in IC Blue & Grey/Executive. Edit: Assuming the variations we get are just the SO & FO
