Just Trains Making Wcml Over Shap And Br Class 87

Thats not actually correct, all notches except Run up are hard notches, Run up springs back to notch up and thats the only sprung notch. All other notches are distinct positions.

 

They reverse at Lancaster then go via Carnforth and Skipton.

 

I was talking about how they are set up in Train Simulator.

 

That's not entirely accurate. Freightliner was a unit of BR which with privatisation was spun off in a management buyout (after EWS passed on it as unprofitable), so it is the same outfit. It was purchased by Gennessee and Wyoming in 2015.

I don't know the answer to the licensing puzzle, but I have a plausible theory. While the logos and liveries are trademarked (MfT for the BR era, G&W post-privatisation), the name "Freightliner" is not, because that name had already been used for many years prior by an American truck manufacturer.

 

The logo on the containers is the old Freightliner logo though. Matt said it covers up to and including yellow and green, presumably this version


And not Powerhaul from 2007 which introduced a new logo.

 

Yes, exactly. DTG can use BR marks through its deal with MfT. But G&W have said no, so modern Freightlinher liveries are out.

 

Ok so bear with me as I'm trying to use the multi quote for the first time

In the livestream they do say that the tap changer is quite loud in one cab as it is at that end and that in the other cab the fans are louder, I think this is what you are asking? The AP switch was so that you could make the cab "the tap changer end" as due to the TSC limitations the cabs have identical sounds so wouldn't notice a change between ends.

Don't mention Stove anythings, I still hate dealing with my pres lines "Stove R" and it's godawful placement of a vac bag, it's fine on steam but sucks for us diesel crews trying to get it to reach (then again it's still better than that GWR LOVE that's twisted 45 degrees off).

Hmm lets see, well a common one was to piss in a bottle (Oasis bottles are the best - wider neck so easier to aim/more leeway) but some dirty cretins have pissed in the washer bottles before (refurb 37s - 37/4s being the notable ones). Someone got a cracking photo of "a strange coolant leak" from I think it was 37109 years ago when it was stabled in CS2 by Bury South - it was actually me arcing a pee out of the cab door during a gala (very tight moves so unable to jump out and visit the box's box).

From a secondman perspective there's nothing worse than needing a shite and having to "go under" as squatting doesn't help matters :/ last time that happened to me I told my driver that I'm diving in the stock afterward and to just draw forward into the station when the guard gives the green - then after a very happy dump managed to flush as we rolled over the level crossing - a total accident but still made me chuckle.

I knew a guy who back in the BR days was in the loop by the cement works near Washwood Heath and decided to piss out of the cooler group shutters (which unlike a 50 are fixed in place so no worries about circumcision) but much to his dismay, mid stream the fan kicks in to high gear and pulls the steam back in and onto him.

A guards parcel

With regard to loco loos, Hymek D7076 still has one (and has been used on occasion) and I think 47402 did but she's been gone a couple of years now and my memory is getting bad now but - it's a pres line, most of our stations have loos...

 

how hard will it be to drive the classe 87 i know its more to do than a normal train but how much harder

 

Looks to be rather similar to the DB class 111.

 

If you've never driven something like it before it will be quite difficult. It isn't like driving the BR155, 103 or 110. It gets easier with practise and eventually it'll feel natural.

 

On a fundamental level, it is as far as I know. All of them are tap changers. The controls resemble a Br 111 or KaKo cab car more closely though.

 

The only way it's similar is if you're using the run up and down modes in the BR155, but even that isn't the same as it doesn't have the individual notches to tap up and down.

 

Overheard on the stream something pretty interesting.


Apparently, the Windermere Branch is there in game, the track is layed. But there is no scenery.


If the track is there, that’s an opportunity for a modder to maybe complete the Windermere branch. And have it as a mod you can download. Don’t see why that wouldn’t be possible.

 

Those were brilliant stories thank you, made me chuckle lol.



It reminded me, a decade or so ago I was on a Railtour around the southeast, top and tail 66 and 73 and mark 1 carriages. One of the calling points was London Waterloo, I can't recall how long we had there but it was long enough to get some food and drink, anyway about thirty minutes after we've left Waterloo we get an announcement over the tannoy from a rather annoyed Train Manager, they'd had a call from Network Rail to say that during the lay over a fair few passengers had used the toilets on the train and left deposits on the track bed at Waterloo. Fun times lol.

 

Maybe they’ll do what Rivet have done with the Leven branch. The track was already laid on the Fife Circle route, then they went back and are doing an update. Maybe one day Just Trains will do an update and include that branch fully too, especially if the track is already laid.

 

I expect this DLC will boost a few gen 9 console sales.
I'm guessing there may be some folks who want this DLC, but are still on gen 8 machines.

As mentioned in the livestream, the timetable for gen 8 systems only allows the 87 services to be driven, and nothing else.

I suppose you can spawn various trains if you fancy driving a section of the route.

 

fine by me, with a route as huge as this, its no surprise that gen8 is going to get the worst impact.

as a series s user, I feel like this route might struggle, due to the less ram inside it, if that happens, ill play simply play it on my laptop, no biggie.

will it impact sales? absolutely not, people are still gonna by this regardless, and it might become the best selling uk dlc. its gonna be a big hit.

 

Just wait until you try tying two locos with ploughs together, especially when the vac bag dummy is behind the plough blade. I never liked bagging up two high swan necks, that's a nightmare of a job or the worst one I ever came across was a vehicle where the vac bag was on the wrong side so the heads had to be pulled back behind behind each other, that's a proper 2 man job unless you work out.

 

I didn't watch too much of the stream, as don't want to spoil the first run for myself by knowing what I'm going to see. Impressed by all the pictures and talk of the Windermere line being "sort of" hidden away - that would make for a nice little bonus down the line, but obviously best not to expect anything! Sure JT will be busy on their next project, for one thing.

 

Glad to help

Been there and done that too, shudder to think about trying to do it now that thanks to furlough I've piled on the pounds :/
I think my least favourite was the 33 on buckeye but on vac brakes, a lot harder to put them together when you are underneath and not able to just "lift and drop". Yet another reason that I hate 33s :p

I do remember 86259 coming for a visit years ago (to have work done on it) and Les let us use it during our diesel event as we could recreate an old fashioned drag with it on a rake of maroons and a green 40 on the front, it took two of us to put it together as the vac bag had not been used for quite some time. It's since done some vac brake runs on the WCML by some daring drivers

 

Just Trains preview stream on Tuesday at 19:30 GMT

 

When is this route releasing? 21 or 26?

 

26th

 

Can we sit on the toilet?

 

You've got to be kidding me...

 

I don't think JT have put that much detail in! we can't even sit on a platform bench

 

My TSW character has been holding it in for a very long time.

 

Damn bro, he must have brown eyes by now...

 

From the stream I think the thing that got me was the bouncing around and the swaying that the 87 did. I was watching the stream on the big TV and in my chair I was bouncing around as well lol. I was loving it. One of the (well two) that I remember seeing even down in Poole and around the carlisle preston area in the 80's were Railfreight Red and Gray VEA and VDA vans.
I'm sure alot of us "kids" from the 80s remember these. seeing the brief glimpse of the speedlink service in the stream you would see some of these in the consists as well as sat around in yards. Hoping these soon come to TSW

Cheers
Hentis

 

I hope they go as far as to convert the 12ton box vans to air braking, a bit of ABN action would be fantastic

 

The manual has been released.

https://downloads.justtrains.net/products/JTF003001/WCML_Preston_Carlisle_TSW5_manual.pdf

 

You make that sound like a 5 minute job, the 12T van we have is a BR standard van. The top part is different due to the different door construction for starters, so thats almost a complete new model for the top part. The brake rigging is different with the VEA having Clasp brake rigging whereas the 12T van we has is push rod style, so entirely new brake rigging. All the air equipment would be new, the suspension is different, the buffers are different, the axleboxes are roller bearing opposed to plain bearings etc etc. So by the end of it the only bits that are pretty much reusable are the wheels and the hornguides... at which point you may as well start from scratch!

 

128 pages. Bloody hell, this is excellent.

 

I can still have dirty dreams about it though

 

Ho boy that one dusty loco. I’m assuming she is only going to spawn near the shap summit quarries.

 

I just read through the manual and I’m even more excited than after the stream. I have no connection to the UK and definitely not the 80s UK but I love seeing the detail and thought that went into scenery bits like disused stations, signal boxes, old goods sheds, etc. Atmosphere and scenery is something that I find super important in this game, especially for a specific time period route which really doesn’t feel right if the atmosphere of that era isn’t nailed.

Blackpool did a great job of that (as did the DTG BR Blue routes to be honest) and this one seems to be a home run in that regard.

It must be hard getting scenery accurate for places that no longer exist or have changed a lot since that time so kudos to the team.

 

This is really a stretch, but I know some push-pull sets ran with MK3s, 47s and MK2 DBSOs in Scotland. It would be good if those made their way into the game at some stage.

 

The manual itself is a work of art and shows how much love has gone into this title.

 

The Manuel honestly feels like they just showed the whole lake district and every single landmark which I don't think any developer has done.

 

These formations were a staple in Scotland throughout the 1980s on the Edinburgh - Glasgow main line and up to Dundee, Aberdeen and Inverness. Would never be seen on the WCML though.

 

It's a shame that the Edinburgh to Glasgow route won't be produces covering that era as we now have an up to date effort released.

 

i am pretty hyped about the class 87 and the WMCL from just trains.
mini fact about the class 87 (for those who wonder or don't know well about the class 87): the class 87 was designed by BREL (British Rail Engineering Limited) between 1973 and 1972 and a total of 36 units were produced. its the little brother to class 86 but more powerful in performance. they are still in service now but not mostly on Bulgarian tracks (one is in england and its LSL) and the operators who own the class 87 and is in service is: BRC (bulgarian railway company), bulmarket and LSL (locomotive services limited). the former operators who owned class 87 is Caledonian sleeper, british rail, DRS (direct rail services), EWS, virgin trains and so on. 28 units were withdrawn and 3 units were preserved the three preserved ones are the class 87001 ''Stephenson'', 87002 ''Royal Sovereign'', 87035 ''Robert burns'' and 13 were scrapped. the units were withdrawn between 2002 and 2007.

welp correct me if i am wrong about the mini fact.

 

indeed but the price is a bit high for a route.

 

For what we are getting it's pretty good value

 

yeah i dont complain about that and its about time that class 87 came to tsw (i have a mini fact above)

 

Manuals like this should be done for every route, one of my biggest bugbears with DTG routes is the lack of info about the trains, ok there are a handful of tutorials, but it's all really bare bones, and the reliance of finding information for the trains is over reliant on external factors.

 

I think it all looks pretty amazing to me. The only thing I will say, TSW's foliage could do with a refresh, we are seeing the same 3-4 tree variations now which makes routes appear a bit similar to each other. The grass/bush assets TSW uses can appear a bit 'cartoony' at times as well.
Nit-picking though, a day one purchase, can't wait for it.

 

It does look as if TSW, or rather the UE4 editing suite, does have issues when it comes to blending terrain textures. However that will not deter me from enjoying the route nor should it deter developers from tackling other UK routes through the fells and hills. Such as West Highland or the Highland Main Line.

 

Quite a few of the landmarks called out in the manual aren't right next to the tracks, so they'll look meh in a close-up screenshot. That's perfectly normal, we just usually don't get to see these distant scenery objects up close like that.

 

yeah.