Wcmls Major Update (december 2024)

Has to be those because there was only one Overground service an hour where there should have been four. The Underground should run even more frequently, a train every 3 or 4 minutes.

 

I'm not DTG Liam, but the Series S uses the same build as the Series X. They have to be the same.

 

Not even one service an hour, 3 services straight every like 15mins then a 90min gap

 

Bad as that? I didn't get it, but I will be now.

 

Unfortunately we have seen that this is not always the case. Of course we already know that LIRR and FTF have less layers available on Series S than Series X. The main difference being that, at least with LIRR, DTG was able to tell Series S players ahead of time. With FTF, we didn't know until after launch that Series S was to have fewer layers, and there is still a lot of confusion as to what we should have available for that DLC. I would also note that SBD released without any layers at all, although thankfully that has since been addressed. So, considering recent events, I think it would be quite appropriate for DTG to get a handle on what WCML North and South will be like on Series S, and to communicate that to players, before release.

 

The buzzing you might be referring to might be the auxiliary converter under the driving coaches. What OP was referring to was the transformer under the pantograph coach, it should only be active under AC power (it currently isn’t) and the sound is just entirely wrong, compare it to the 387 (which is correct) and you’ll see.

 

Yes

 

Okay, maybe I don't understand something, but why (People who have worked on this pack; JetWash, bescot, Rob39, danielwyatt60163, SprattyHeath, laika & Fawx) were able to convert Class 801 from the ECML add-on to 805, and you officially can't? Is the problem in reworking and reconfiguring the model?

 

It's not a case of can't, it's won't. And that's fair enough because this is an update to improve what's already in the existing route.

 

Could the gameplay pack include the 805, I wonder, or is that too ambitious for such a release?

 

I’d love it if they did surprise us like that. It might be wishful thinking, but let’s hope!

 

Is this update that will fix the crashes specially on gen8?

 

Watched the live road map, the performance and memory issues on playstation and Xbox will be after Christmas,if I understood it correctly.
WCML ; individual layers for timetable for all content, scenery reworked and added rail tours depending on owned content.There should be performance improvements via optimization, according to Liam from DTG.
That's coming next month.
Also December,more announcements of unspecified content.(Some may not be usable on gen8)
I think the timetable via layers is significant for gen8 Xbox and playstation.

 

Because DTG need to get it licensed from Avanti West Coast, which means it needs to be 100% accurate and they likely need to pay for it.
As modders we don't have to do that, so our interior layout for example doesn't exactly match reality, but it's probably far enough off that Avanti wouldn't sign off on it.

 

Also, I'd like to say, let's not turn this positive news about the well needed upgrade, into bratty "Oh I want a 805! Why can't I have it".

The WCML should of been in a better state when it was released we can all agree on that and DTG have taken it on the chin, and committed to majorly improving it. But for people then add these ridiculous expectations of "I want this train! I want that train"... Jeez, calm down... The route upgrade looks amazing so far, stop bringing a dampener on the whole thing by whinging about something that is unnecessary and quite honestly irrelevant at the moment.

Maybe in time the 805 will make an appearance, but just appreciate the work that's gone into improving and upgrading the existing route before adding things that were never, or not, planned to be a part of it.

Should it of been released in the state it was? Certainly not. But come on, be appreciative of what work has gone on, and what has improved (which looks to he major and looks amazing). These threads more often then not start with appreciation and then descend into people changing the goal posts and whinging about a single item of rolling stock they want...

And back on the topic of it, I am really looking forward to December... I've put off playing the route for now because of the current poor state it is in. But, I really can't wait to see it's transformation and seeing how busy and immersive it will be. Grateful for the work that's gone into improving it. Looks very promising fellas.

 

Does 805's have large engines like the 800?

 

The good thing is it is relatively smooth between Watford junction and Milton Keynes. Just a disappointment to see Watford junction to Euston in an unoptimized state

 

https://forums.dovetailgames.com/posts/927231/
There's a interesting issue with draw distance modded and non modded, which could potentially have a bearing on Watford going south.
Got well over hundred hours on the route, walking around there's practically nothing wrong with frame rate.
Driving south just after the platform at Watford is a different experience.

 

Just been going through this thread and really great what people are asking and saying.
I would rather a 221 than a 805. But either any of them in the game I be happy with. Boosts the traffic for sure. To model a 805 is no simple task.
DTG Liam What software program is used to Model these Trains?

 

I'm pretty sure they're using 3DSMax which they already used for TSC, the de facto standard for commercial 3D development. A good freeware alternative is Blender.

 

I remember using Blender in college, fried my bloody brain it did Creative Media it was, Kinda want to see if I can make a train model.
Thanks for the information Spike!

 

I was thinking earlier it's essentially a WCML remaster in terms of timetable upgrade, DTG have gone from

"This is a great timetable", to "There are things we are looking at" to "There are updates coming but the timetable isn't being reworked on" to "This is a full on timetable upgrade", I'm quick to criticise them but I'll also give them credit when needed and if they pull this off it'll be fantastic and will be what the route should have been upon release.

There may be additional layers added in the future with future DLCs like the 805/807 or 221s but people expecting a new train for free is just...wow, they need to think before typing I reckon

 

I noticed this. Since the modded timetable was released there's no stutters or frame rate drop-outs if you stand and watch trains passing.

For those with latest Gen consoles and PCs who are waiting for this fuller timetable....be very excited, it's superb but for the stutters (which appears to be something DTG are also working on).

I've said it before and I'll say it again, once it's running a bit better with a more realistic timetable WCML South will be a superb bit of DLC.

 

Is this update for all platforms

 

Yes

 

yes but only limted services add on older gen

 

Tsw5 special edition is now 45% off on Epic, if Steam version will have the same discount next week it will be a no-brainer purchase for me, considering all fixes

 

It's also presently on Gamesplanet in a Dovetail Black Friday sale at 50%+ off.

 

Steam Autumn sale starts next Wednesday, so fingers crossed

 

Anyone who owns xbox don't hold your breath there is almost never any tsw in the sale on xbox store

 

Gamesplanet are Steam Keys if you're wanting it on Steam

 

Anyone know if PS tends to have tsw sales on Black Friday please?

 

A sale on PS has started today. Deluxe edition is 40% off

 

Thanks for flagging - such a shame MML isn't on sale. I want it for ECML layers!

 

Nothing on xbox

 

to be perfectly honest, I have all the layers apart from the 47, and the midland mainline 158 doesn't really make a difference to the route. Have you got the 700? because the 700 has more ai and depot services than the 158. The Hst rarely appears

 

I just bought WCMLS and the 390 add-on and I can say it definitely wasn't the WCMLS that I know straight out of the box, way too quiet. So looking forward immensely to this free patch.

 

I do have the 700. But what I like about the 158 is it adds AI at DON, drivable between GRA and PBO (I think) and maybe AI at PBO too (unsure). So it is another train to drive on the route, and not for the 3-4 minute 700 depot runs.

 

Also HST has some full ECML runs, from Peterborough to Doncaster

 

only 3 services which isn't a lot

 

Yeah - I should've mentioned in my OP - Personally, I don't really like driving the HST. The brakes are quite slow to release, so often I'll end up reducing speed to a speed limit, going far under it, and then have to accelerate back up again.

TLDR I'm bad at driving the HST

I'm hoping some of the take-a-ticket style things in December are loco DLCs. I would love an 805/807 (really they should both come as part of the same DLC) for WCMLS.

 

I wonder what the gameplay pack (or how is it called?) for WCMLS will be. I reckon something like old “new journeys” packs for old TSW2ish routes?

 

Having had a good run out on WCMLS yesterday it isn't anywhere near as bad as has been made out. A few more tweaks and mainly the timetable and it should be great.

 

I hope you know how much your work is appreciated in the community. Really looking forward to this!

I'm particularly grateful as a PS5 user.

 

Still think the biggest problem is that it should either have gone to Northampton to give a better destination for the 350's and/or Rugby via Weedon to give the 390 a longer run.

 

Yes, it has 2 counts against it. It's very quiet for a mainline and it's ridiculously short, especially for express runs.

The update may address the former, but the latter issue will always be there. Arriving at Milton Keynes is like kissing your sister. Surely a bigger destination was within reach with some more dev time. Coventry, perhaps?

If JT can do the ton, why not DTG?

( wait for our resident DTG wannabee )

 

Regarding the length, I'd have love Northampton for the 350 and/or Rugby. But even JT have said (on their own stream) when asked if they would do Carlisle to Glasgow next that due to the density you get once you go urban - and this route is *very* urban - it seriously starts to reduce the mileage you can do in any reasonable amount of dev time. They've done 100 miles Preston to Carlisle as it is mainly hills and few stations. The WCMLS is pretty complex and a lot of stations so I get why it stopped at MK.

 

This has been said many times, but it falls on death ears. It is probably as time consuming to make a 40 mile urban route than it is a 100 mile mainly rural route.