Important Disclaimer For Over Shap For Gen 8 Players

i’ll never listen to anyone who just says this. why should it? there are arguments for and against but for you to just say ‘it should be dropped’, you won’t be listened to as there’s no sustainable points made

 

To be fair the arguments for and against have been made a million times already. Gen 8 is done, it’s time to let it go.

 

Gen 8's done when Gen 8 players are done with it. It's getting there, but not yet.

 

Keep Gen 8 if it helps my X stay smooth

 

You want an argument for it?

On Jt's WCML route, gen8 players can only make use of the 87 services in timetable mode. Timetables are being cut back on other route.

Both known issues impacting gen8 consoles and players. I'd say that's a pretty good argument to drop it. Besides, it's not as if gen9 consoles are that expensive to break the bank, if they are then you'd have bigger fish to fry.

 

The one thing I will say is frustrating is the lack of diversity in the journey mode services with it basically all being 87 services. If it's genuinely 8th gen stopping them from putting the other locos and services in then that's incredibly frustrating.

A nice diverse journey mode is something I always enjoy.

 

It's a good argument for Gen 8 players to drop it, as the downscaling will only increase by necessity as time goes on. The only good argument for DTG to drop Gen 8 is when enough players do that development for those platforms is no longer worth it.

Yes, and many people do. I only got my PS5 a few months ago (though I run TSW on PC).

 

After this i really want to upgrade asap to PS5

 

At the rate we are going Gen 10 consoles will be out before Gen 8 is dropped.
Both MS and Sony owned developers are no longer making games for these ancient consoles. This would be like if TSWHH was released on Xbox 360 or if GTA San Andreas was released on SNES.

 

If route length was really limited by gen8, many of the routes in tsw would not exist. Routes like kwg, sehs, preston-carlisle, cajon pass, metrolink, ecml, frankfurt-fulda would have not be made

 

A lot of the routes you just mentioned have massive limitations or performance issues on Gen 8 console. SEHS for example has a reduced timetable. It is clear that this game is being developed for PC and Gen 9 and then ported quickly to Gen 8 without any good optimizations.

 

Gen 8 consoles will be supported as long as DTG is making money by selling to them. It's as simple as that. No amount of posts or protestations on the forums will have any impact on what is primarily a business decision.

 

Respectfully I disagree, everything has to evolve and they can't keep supporting these old machines forever, if they're struggling to keep up and require special attention just to make them work then it's time to pull the plug and better allocate resources to enhance the Gen 9 and PC experience.

Every route that has released since TSW 5 including the core routes has been stripped back in some way on Gen 8 with it's timetable, customers on that platform are no longer getting good value for money so it gives them an extra incentive to upgrade. Yes people will moan that they have to buy a new console but they will still do it, their collection comes with them after all.

Also the upcoming pack is Gen 9 exclusive so DTG are already starting to cut ties with Gen 8, it's inevitable. By the time TSW 6 comes around next year I suspect Gen 8 will be gone.

 

Sometimes I wonder whether or not you actually what you're talking about, or just spouting nonsense, because:

• SEHS has a reduced timetable
• ECML has a reduced timetable
• Preston-Carlisle has a reduced timetable

All three routes are long, Preston-Carlisle being the longest.

 

Storage is also a major problem with last gen consoles. Most of these consoles only came with 500GB at launch and 1TB was an extra you had to pay for, and when 1 TSW route takes up 10GB, that can fill up fast. The base game on its own takes up quite a bit of space as well. Some people on this forum have over 300GBs of DLC. Storage on last gen consoles is becoming a major issue.

 

Whit last DLC i have the impression that gen8 is "sinking" fast on TSW. If the next releases for gen8 have only one train and no traffic like Preston Carlisie hope gen8 might be gone before new chapter launch of this game

 

as much as i want gen8 to be supported, it cant be forever, its hardware is falling behind on this game, and with the increasing number of other games going gen9 only, its bound to happen with TSW as well

you cant keep dragging a dead animal on a lead and expect it to move with you.

 

Is this in response to me?

 

PS4 is far from dead. At least 45% of the nearly 120 million units ever sold are still in regular use. Many of them likely still playing TSW.

And there are still twice as many PS4's out there as there are PS5's.

I don't have numbers for XBox.

Thing is the arguments I'm reading in this and similar threads are all subjectively and emotionally based rather than objectively or business based, largely I suspect a result of this unfounded idea that PS4 players are somehow hurting the rest of us.

If you want to persuade Focus/Pullup or DTG to drop 8th gen, you need to provide hard numbers. That's how businesses operate.

 

Aren't you agreeing with them though? It sounds like that to me anyway:

Rennekton says that Gen 8 is not restricting route length, and you say that we have long routes.

 

The numbers suggest that dtg is still making a tidy profit from gen 8 consoles. Why on earth would they drop them? Doesn't make any sense financially!

As games advance, and developers can no longer make them work on gen8. All the gen 8 owners will have to switch to gen 9 if they want to play new games. At some point dtg won't make any money from gen 8 and drop it aswell.

So sit back and relax and wait. Besides, when the gen 8 owners move to gen 9, gen 10 will be available! And we can all have this debate once more

 

It was in response to the post a couple above yours.

 

Ah I see now, I have some people blocked so it looked like you were replying to me

 

(Take everything I'm saying here with a pinch of salt, but this is my understanding of how it works.)

The longer a route is, the more needs to be added to it.

Longer routes need more scenery, more timetable services etc, all of which take up memory and space, which in turn restricts how much gen8 can cope. Length alone won't affect much on its own, but when you factor in other stuff needed it will.

 

Do have you any evidence to back up those assertions? I think your numbers are wildly optimistic.

Every route that has been released in the last couple of years has had compromises because of Gen 8. Even though WCMLSOS has a hugely stripped out TT and no road traffic, the route on PC and Gen9 has very obvious compromises because of those console. The lack of 3D grass away from the lineside is 100% a compromise, as is the patchy 3D crop, the lack of environmental lighting at night is the same. The lower resolution lidar dem data and painted terrain rather than the sort of thing we saw in Bernina Line is also another compromise. A single build is made and generally the only variable is the timetable.

Gen8 compromises Gen9 and PC. The signs are there, and if Gen8 is still part of TSW at this time next year I’d be beyond blown away.

 

Google is your friend. I admit those numbers are about 6 months old but probably haven't moved substantially.

And when have DTG said that gen 8 compromises gen 9 and PC? Seems to me the only compromises are to gen 8 players.

Provide some hard evidence that PS5 and PC players are being hurt. Your post is anecdotal. In other threads, the deficits on WCMLS are being blamed on poor output by the unconfirmed 3rd party developer. Which is it?

And the recent JT route, which apparently has some substantial cuts to the gen8 version, has met with almost universal acclaim by those with newer hardware.. No compromises for gen9 or PC seem to have been made. How did gen8 hold everyone back?

 

For comparison:

Both the Xbox One and PS4 were introduced in 2013, over 10 years ago: in half that, the PS2 was superseded by the PS3, and the original Xbox with the Xbox 360.

The Series S/X and PS5 were introduced in 2020, and given we're going into 2025 in a few weeks, they are entering middle age. In maybe 2 or 3 years, they'll start being phased out in favour of the next generation.

 

It's going to be interesting to see what ends up happening here. The PS5 debuted to a unique situation in 2020, and supplies were short until 2023. The first price cut didn't happen until now, nearly four years in, when the Pro was released (unlike the PS4, which got its first price cut in two years and the Pro in three). Further, Sony reversed its intent to stop manufacturing PS4s in 2021, and I couldn't find anything saying they've stopped making them as of yet. Certainly PS4 games are still being released steadily.

So I'm thinking all this has given Sony plenty of extra time to plan their next system, and the historical timeline has thus gone out the window.

 

I somehow can't see it being supported by the end of the decade though, 17 years is ancient for a console.

 

If we assume the PS6 launches November 2027 (7 years after PS5, which was 7 years after PS4), then I would expect the first version of TSW to drop Gen 8 to be the one that comes out in 2028.

By that point it would be too much effort to maintain 2 older generations, although thanks to the existence of the Series S it still won't be a straightforward task.

Of course by then DTG may have decided that UE4 has been pushed as far as it can go and move on to a full sequel, although just like the transition from TSC to TSW that would leave all our old routes behind.

 

Hope is better to hold both gen9 and gen10 until gen11 comes out, i don't want to buy one console few years from each other

 

Oh, definitely, me either. I'm sure they don't mind that the money's still coming in and they have some breathing room for the future, though.

 

I was considering purchasing TSW5 for my 8th gen consoles but I was wondering whether it would be worth purchasing. I am mainly interested in the WCML South and I worry that the reduction in Timetable services would lead to the game not being worth it

 

The 8th gen tt for wcml only gives you access to 2 of the 4 base trains and no additional layers. Also many other routes will have no or reduced layers

 

Is the timetable drastically worse and would you say it is worth purchasing the game

 

Best option is upgrade to gen9 if you can afford for it

 

Thanks for your support and I might have to do the dreaded upgrade.