PC Tsw 5 Enhancement | Lighting & Graphic Ep V2.3.0

Hello JetWash,

thx for your beautiful mods

but i cant find medium preset only ultra or high ?

cheers

 

It’s right there on the download page. If you already have Medium there is no need to update, as I said the update was for Ultra and High only.

https://www.trainsimcommunity.com/m...sw-5-lighting-visual-quality-enhancement-v141

 

Did you make a mistake in the changelog... Sorry if i misunderstanding your'e text...

"I'm happy to say that I've found a fix that works under all circumstances. This small update is to High & Medium only to bring them in to line with Medium which by chance already had the correct setting."

It should be High and Ultra instead of High and medium right?!

 

You’re absolutely right. Not a clue how that happened but it’s corrected now, good spot. Sorry.

To clarify, Ultra and High only have had the update. By sheer coincidence Medium already had the correct figure in there and it’s not relevant to Low.

 

JetWash
another problem which i have since days is when i play with your mod i get ue crashes.
and without any mod or engine.ini not

i even have a fresh win 11 system but maybe i have to reinstall whole game because this tsw 5 folder is from old windows 11 ?
i dont know how to handle these ue error messages

even in stalker 2 i had those i really begin to hate ue^^

cheers

 

The cause will be an out of date mod, not this. This can’t cause a UE crash, it does nothing to change anything that would cause such an issue. The only related changes in it are the official Epic recommended scalability settings for each level of graphical intensity as listed here;

https://dev.epicgames.com/documentation/en-us/unreal-engine/scalability-reference-for-unreal-engine

What does the crashlog say?

 

the crash logs says this and everytime another combination

Unhandled Exception: EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION reading address 0x0000020c274b0000

but i play without any mods only your .ini and god mode

 

Although TSW5 is definitely more prone to crashing than TSW4, and a lot of the crash logs show that it does sound like it could be a memory issue to be honest

 

No problem nice thats fixed! To prevent confusion its good to notified you

 

Yeah, appreciate it. Still no idea how I thought one thing and typed another

 

when i play games with unity engine like simrail or other engines i dont have any crash its really annoying that i have only problems with ue games.

i also thought i could have something to do with ram timings ?
have to figure out.. now i reinstall the whole game and see what comes out.

 

JetWash (sorry for the tag) can you confirm the best setup for this mod with lossless scaling. I’m using your high preset but have used Ultra in the past.

My specs are as follows:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 12GB
13th Gen Intel Core17-13700KF
32GB RAM
2560 x 1440, 144Hz

By capping the FPS to 36 (72) half the refresh rate but I don’t think I’m getting the best out of the GPU as you’ve previously mentioned causing a bottleneck causing stuttering.

Any advice for the best setup?

Thanks.

 

decided to move from your high preset back to ultra and my god the difference in the shadows is truly remarkable. literally can't play without this preset!

 

Would you be interested in trying what I’m using right now? I can DM you but it would be an absolute breeze for your machine

 

absolutely!! i'd love to know what's different about it too

 

Cool, I’ll message in a bit

 

I'm sorry I'm a bit late to the party.

I was getting the crashing when returning to the main menu thing using Ultra. However since your update I am not getting any problems. You say you weren't getting the crash?

My specs:
13700k
32gb ddr5 ram
Rtx 4080 super.

I am also using lossless scaling as recommended in the manual.
I too would be interested in testing alternative settings if it is of any help to you JetWash.

Cheers

 

Can someone consult me? What preset should I use on my PC
Specs:
Ryzen 5 5600
4060ti 8GB
32GB DDR4 ram
And, for some reasons beyond my control I can't buy Loosless scaling

 

I would recommend 'High' with that setup. I went from a 5600X/3070 (high) to a 5800X3D/7800XT (ultra) and can get 60FPS all day long with the sim locked at that rate (1440p). I have seen parts of this route on 'Ultra' push my 7800XT to over 13GB of VRAM usage (has 16GB onboard with AMD's shared memory access enabled through the motherboard BIOS).

 

Hi, just made the jump to team red for my new GPU which I received the other day (7900 GRE.) I also have a 5700x3d and just curious what the process would look like to enable this shared memory access, is it the same as resizable bar? Do you need to reformat your hard drives?

 

Resizable Bar is general term for the technology, SAM - Smart Access Memory (NOT SMA, shared memory access) is then AMD's term for using Resizable Bar on their GPUs, with some driver-level optimizations. But enabling Resizable Bar in your BIOS should be all that you need to do, no need to reinstall anything, just enable it.
Maybe you also need to turn it on in the drivers then, I don't really have experience with AMD GPUs, but it can be turned ON/OFF on Nvidia GPUs generally or per game, so I expect the same for AMD.

 

Thanks for getting back to me, managed to get SAM enabled and doing some testing now on TSW, I have zero knowledge about AMD drivers and the software so will def be taking it step by step. (Anyone else with AMD related pointers that I should enable/disable to improve performance do let me know!)

 

Using the wcml enhancement pack along with lossless scaling, 24h2 and the latest Nvidia game driver. As you can see there was an accident at the end with me being hit by an ai train while at a stop signal

 

FWIW I tried updating to 24H2 and it was an absolute bag of spanner’s. In the exact same circumstances I was seeing 30% more GPU usage (with stuttering and frame rate drops) than with 23H2 so I rolled back and all is now well with the world again. Smooth as silk.

Based on my own experience I’d suggest not updating. 23H2, lossless scaling 2.3 and TSW works the best it ever has. As I keep having to tell myself, ‘if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it’.

 

24h2 probably shouldn't ever have come out of beta. It's mind boggling to see how sloppy microsoft has become. If you visit many forums discussing 24h2, the complaints are enormous. There's suppposed to be an update to 24h2, Patch Tuesday or something like that. If that update fails to fix it, I'm going back to 23h2.

 

My bro has a spare laptop with a 64GB SSD which only has Windows (all program files are on a separate volume). But 24H2 starts by taking a backup copy (uncompressed!) of the entire Windows directories and then tries to install itself. Of course there isn't enough room and there's never going to be. I'm happy to continue with my Win10, although I've asked Santa for a new PC (probably in the Jan sales), so I'll probably have to bite the Win11 bullet then.

 

This would tally would my experience too.

I’ve tried all sorts of combinations and really struggling to find a sweet spot.

My RTX4070 is struggling with your high preset, something which has always worked a treat, lossless scaling with FPS capped at 72 (144hz, playing in 1440p) so I’m not sure what to do for the best at the moment.

 

Honestly, roll back. I was worried I’d broken it entirely but as soon as I got back on 23H2 all was well. I literally went from 60-70% GPU usage pre-update to 95-100% after and started getting frame rate drops from my maxed out GPU. It’s absolute mince, and I have no need for anything it offers anyway.

I like Windows 11, but from a gaming perspective 24H2 is a hard pass. 23H2 works really well, there’s literally no benefit to updating.

Quentin I’d see if you can grab yourself a copy of the 23H2 ISO file so that when you get your new PC you can install that version.

 

Is it worth lowering the cap of my FPS too? As I’ve played in 4K with 150% screen percentage but definitely unable to lately!

 

If it worked ok before I’d just roll back to 23H2, only then would I start messing about. The cause is 100% that Windows update.

 

I’ve had a bit of playing round so I’ve tried all sorts of combinations.

Using your high preset, FPS capped at 72 using lossless scaling. I’m struggling to get 72FPS in game with it hovering between 50-60 in places. This was tested on Fife Circle.

So I dropped it to 36FPS half again, now using the Nvidia in game FPS counter I was thinking well it should be a constant 72? Nope, hovering between 60-65 in places, causing stutters even though the game says it’s outputting a consistent 36FPS.

Now maybe I’ve got this all completely wrong but I’m stumped.

Now if I take away your high preset / lossless scaling and just have a vanilla setup. I can get 90-110 FPS in game on Fife Circle, so surely the High preset can’t be having that much of a performance impact.

 

Did you read the release notes with the latest version of lossless scaling? If not I strongly suggest you do and the relevant text is below;

With the latest Windows 11 24H2 update, Microsoft changed how the Desktop Duplication API (DXGI) functions, making it heavily reliant on MPO (Multiplane Overlay) support. Without MPO, DXGI cannot reliably distinguish between updates from game window and the LS window when both are displayed on the same monitor. This prevents it from capturing only new frames, thereby breaking the existing framepacing algorithm.

MPO support varies between systems, and there is no definitive way to determine why it is supported on some setups and not on others. You can use dxdiag to check if your system has MPO support. In some cases, you might be able to work around the issue. For instance, if you have two monitors connected, disconnecting one may force the remaining monitor to support MPO.

As of the 24H2 update, DXGI is no longer a reliable capture method unless Microsoft changes its approach or Nvidia and AMD improve MPO support in their drivers.

On the other hand, Microsoft has addressed a five-year-old bug in the Windows Graphics Capture (WGC) API, which previously prevented it from capturing only new frame updates. Starting with version 24H2, WGC now works as expected for the most part. Essentially, DXGI and WGC have switched roles in this update. WGC capture in LS has been updated with a new framepacing algorithm to replace DXGI on newer systems while maintaining the same behavior as before on older systems. DXGI continues to function normally up to version 23H2, but beyond that, it depends on MPO support.

While WGC generally offers some advantages over DXGI, such as allowing LS to be recordable by most tools, it also has drawbacks without MPO support. Specifically, in games where a hardware cursor is displayed and VRR is enabled, WGC disables independent flip mode globally. This can lead to issues with LS and VRR functionality.

Starting with Windows 11 24H2, MPO support becomes highly desirable. We can hope that future updates from Microsoft, Nvidia, and AMD will address these challenges. Notably, there have been reports that DXGI is functioning correctly again on the Windows 11 Dev branch.

My system supports MPO which is why I went ahead with the update but to re-iterate, my TSW performance with the exact same setup was magnitudes worse under 24H2 than 23H2 because of these changes. Lossless Scaling is indispensable to me now (I simply couldn't have the game play as well as it does on my hardware without it) and rolling back the update fixed it. As 24H2 is not a necessary update in any way, shape, or form I chose to roll back and the problem was immediately rectified.

I would strongly suggest you roll back your windows update to 23H2. It takes less than 5 minutes and will solve all your problems. It's is far easier than messing around playing with settings when it simply isn't necessary.

 

Interesting JetWash, I have been running 24H2 for almost a month now and no real issues or changes from 23H2 noted in game. Is this only if you are using Lossless Scaling, because I am not.

 

Yes. I guess you don’t need to, however, with a 4090

 

I have no issues either. The thing with Frankfurt Fulda is a thing thats caused by the game and all other routes runs perfect.

 

Yep, I rolled them back last night on your advice.

I can’t imagine your high preset is too much for me?!

Just one more question on lossless scaling there’s a slider for resolution, what do you have yours set at?

Sorry to keep pestering you!

 

so the bottom line is that the 24h2 update that's the problem if you're using lossless scaling.
there should be an update to 24h2 that they say will be the biggest one for December. If there's a significant change, then I'll sta on 24h2.
If things remain the same or deteriorate after the update, then I shall roll back to 23h2. It's really a shame that Microsoft has gotten so sloppy over the past few updates. And my computer meets all the minimum requirements for it.

 

No problem. Mine is set to 100% but it’s worth playing with that. Try 75% then 50%. It renders the generated frame at a lower resolution then upscales it. Very clever, saves overhead and I can’t see any difference to be honest.

Remind me what your GPU is again?

 

Does anyone know of a decent guide to setting up lossless scaling? Not really sure where to start with it. Running an RTX3060 if that helps

 

I think I posted something here recently didn’t I? Let me look. I lose track

Turns out I sent it to someone else. Here are my settings;



Using the above you need to cap your fps at half what you aim for normally either using nvidia control panel or the in-game limiter. You must also run the game in Windowed Fullscreen.

 

RTX4070, i7-13700KF CPU

Thanks, Jetwash

 

You should have absolutely no issue at all with high then. Has it still not recovered?

 

It’s the stuttering and poor performance I’m getting. I love your mod and would be lost without it, so would rather play with it than without it

What are your recommend settings for a card and CPU such as mine, so I can test it?

Thanks,
Shaun.

 

There’s nothing else I can suggest really. If you’re able to set your monitor to 60hz I would do that, cap your fps at 30 and use lossless scaling to double it. Sims don’t need 120fps, this game looks perfectly amazing at 60fps. By doing that you’ll easily be able to up your settings to max and still have a smooth experience.

Also, a normal fps counter will show only the system fps, not the lossless scaling fps. Rest assured that it’s working, it’s very obvious when it is.

 

Well, having thought I’d rolled back 24h2 - I hadn’t. I had uninstalled all the updates but then I ran the command winver I was still on 24h2!

 

In windows settings you have the option to revert to previous build that is a single action and took about 3 minutes in my case. You shouldn’t need to be uninstalling updates etc.

 

Oh and JetWash just in case there was any doubt at how good your mod is, look below. TSW has never looked better! I am speechless!

Next to sort the stuttering!

 

Apparently the so-called 24h2 update today didn't fix the issue with lossless scaling's dxiag api capture. so i guess it's back to 23h2

 

Train Sim Society

Did you get the DM I sent you?

cheers

 

I would to be honest. There’s no benefit to sticking with 24H2 and if it’s literally making things worse the only logical thing to do is roll back. You’ll notice zero difference to the actual OS