Route Wcml Preston To Carlisle - Feedback Thread

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  1. Southern Driver

    Southern Driver Well-Known Member

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    I imagine one or two may have escaped north and I’d course there are railtour options. More believable than 47s & 101s running under the wires out of Paddington!
     
  2. JT Benedict

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    You'd have thought that but BR with the 87's decided to link it to the transformer so when it goes out (for example a neutral section) it cuts out.
    I think when the newer high intensity lights were installed it resolved this issue.
     
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  3. Midnight

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    Nope, they were pretty much locked down south in the end.

    Only 10 class 82s were ever built, and all but two were scrapped before 1984. 82005 and 82008 survived in service at London Euston until 1987, strictly for use on ECS moves around the station.

    Of the 15 class 83 locomotives built, only 3 survivors remained in 1984. 83009, 83012 and 83015 worked solely at London Euston until retirement in 1989.

    At this point in their lives, the locos were old, unreliable and spare parts were impossible to acquire. Classes 81-85 were all low-production prototypes to begin with, so parts were not really interchangable between classes.

    Class 81 - British Thomson Houston
    Class 82 - Metropolitan-Vickers
    Class 83 - English Electric
    Class 84 - North British
    Class 85 - BR Doncaster Works


    The last thing you would want do is send them over Shap with a train full of passengers, as they would be stranded in the middle of nowhere if they broke-down.
     
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  4. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    Fascinating Ben, learn something new evey day. Full kudos for authenticity then! But definitely think the spark effects are OTT and could be toned down a bit, without having to disable in options.
     
  5. maccagee#4924

    maccagee#4924 Well-Known Member

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    Can you change it so that when you choose the 87, you get the option to have it with the Mk2s? Only the Mk3s are showing when I go to choose one for a scenario I'm creating or in freeroam.
     
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    maccagee#4924 Well-Known Member

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    As a youngster, grateful for my old man knowing drivers. Managed to get a cab ride in both an 82 and 83 while they were doing ECS duties at Euston. From memory, 83012 and 82008.
    The only class I never got a cab ride in was the 84.
     
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  7. Midnight

    Midnight Well-Known Member

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    XBOX Series S

    LOCATION: Shap Summit - Castle Cement siding.

    BUG: Large white building is floating above the ground.

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  8. Midnight

    Midnight Well-Known Member

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    XBOX Series S

    TIMETABLE: 1Z47 Birmingham New Street to Edinburgh Waverley (16:36)

    LOCO: BR Class 40 (Headcode Disc)

    BUG: Switching on the lower right marker light in the No.1 End cab causes the left side engine room windows to give a blinding white light.

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    ALSO, Switching on the tail light (side B) in the No.2 End cab causes graphical corruption on the left side engine room window.

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  9. vendys#6021

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    So he was finally forced to install all the additional DLC ..... This solved the problem with displaying the wagon for Goods Train....

    I was on a test run, always a passenger train and a Class87 loco, Preston - Carlisle and then back Carlisle - Preston. With all layers on

    When starting, or when switching to external cameras, it took about 7-10 seconds to load the textures to full resolution.

    Sometimes when zooming in, the blue texture of the control panel became slightly blurred. Otherwise everything worked, no crashes etc... but it was only two services, so I'll see how it goes.

    Compared to the Frankfurt - Fulda map, it's relatively satisfactory so far
     
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  10. Midnight

    Midnight Well-Known Member

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    TIMETABLE: 0S02 South Pilot Shunting

    LOCATION: Carlisle Civil Engineers Siding 3

    BUG: Inverted section of track.

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  11. meridian#2659

    meridian#2659 Well-Known Member

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    Thats not something jt can do anything about. The 40 is part of the heavy freight, and probably not updated for todays routes. I noticed this on a other route too.

    I like having the cl.40 on the layers.would be odd to remove it because those small graohical issues
     
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  12. OldVern

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    Agree. Not going to affect the view from the cab where I spend 95% of my time!
     
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  13. Midnight

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    True on both counts.

    But a bug is a bug, and if nobody mentions these things they never get fixed.
     
  14. ididntdoit

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    This route is the bees knees! Undoubtedly the best yet to come to tsw.
    Every time I open it I'm finding hidden gems. Found myself at morecambe last night, walked out of the station and was walking around the seafront, enjoying the view's.
    I'm gonna have to buy holiday express so I can explore in the jeep!

    Can't thank jt enough for this.
     
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  15. Strat-tastic

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    I had my first night run yesterday. I like how the neutral section boards light up on approach. A lot more noticeable than in daylight.
     
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  16. Strat-tastic

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    Guess what? I had a wander round Morecambe too. Has anyone else found the 'Blackpool Rocks' graffito yet?

    I did find myself falling into a swimming pool with no way out. Option of last resort? It's the CTRL + 0 of course; hopefully I might end up in the Pacer I drove down in. Nope! Back on the bog in the station!
    Sorted :cool: :D
     
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  17. ididntdoit

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    Not seen the rocks yet no. I got stuck a couple of times, just hit the fast travel icon at morecambe Station. Been working my way up north slowly, been at it hours and not even 1/4 the way along the route yet.
     
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  18. OldVern

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    I really need to do some on foot exploration. Had an uncle and aunt who lived in Shap many years ago (mid 70’s). When we stayed with them, the bungalow virtually backed on to the line. Not only did you get the trains thundering past but every time an AC electric passed it would interfere with the TV reception. So I need to see if that little street is there. Next daytime express I work, will have to jump off at Shap and take a look see.
     
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  19. LawrenceNL

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    I fell into that same pool haha, caught me by surprise as I expected an invisible wall! It played the Oceanland sounds too, is that how a dolphin in captivity feels? :o
     
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  20. ididntdoit

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    That would be great if is. I will keep a look out for a young vern peering out of the window, watching the trains go by.
     
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  21. Strat-tastic

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    It that what the sounds were? I thought it was invisible swimmers! :)

    Serious question about 87 tap changing:
    Sometimes, not always, when I run up the taps while still keeping it out of the red, the tap count will reduce by itself. Why is this?
    One theory I have is it's like traction control cutting power due to wheel slip, but the usual HUD indicators aren't lighting up so I don't know. :|
     
  22. eldomtom2

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    If the brakes are also applying, it's traction control due to wheel slip. From the TSC manual:
     
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  23. OldVern

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    Think it might have been here (Brookfield):

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    Sadly as with our experience living (briefly) in the Lake District (Kendal) they ran into trouble with the locals who didn't like outsiders, including the sudden and unexplained disappearance of their much loved and totally soft dog.
     
  24. Strat-tastic

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    That sounds like it. Thanks :)
     
  25. stujoy

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    I have to chastise Just Trains for their route being too good. It’s not fair on all the other routes in the game or all the money I’ve spent on those routes that I’m now unlikely to ever play again. It’s also affecting the housework I should be doing. My house is a mess now. This is all down to the fact that I Just can’t seem to drag myself away from the miles and miles of wonderfully crafted scenery, the fantastic Class 87 loco that is easily my favourite in the game now, the huge variety of services I need to drive, or Just standing on Carlisle station watching all the fabulous train movements around me. Time Just disappears. Oh go on then, Just one more service. It’s only an hour and a half. I Just can’t get away!

    It’s morally wrong that Just Trains should do this to me and they should definitely not make a Class 86 loco DLC or any other marvellous routes for TSW in the future, as I don’t think I could handle the extra stress it will undoubtedly put on me, my game controller induced repetitive strain injuries, my wife (whom I have not spoken to in a week), and the mountain of unwashed dishes and increasingly dusty carpets in my house. Just Stop!

    Or perhaps I… Just… need to seek help. Nevertheless, the route is great and I am being serious when I say that I can’t keep away from it. Seriously fabulous stuff. Well done Just Trains and I suppose I might be able to handle whatever comes next!
     
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  26. meridian#2659

    meridian#2659 Well-Known Member

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    My only question is, how is JT able to deliver so many different liveries + additional rolling stock / variants together with a highly detailed 87 + the longest uk route by now, while there was barely a second livery included in a dlc past 7 years...
     
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  27. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    So right. Even with the (core induced) sound glitches it's still a massive experience.

    Farming Sim 25 abandoned for now, well it's pretty much rubbish anyway.

    I reinstalled X4 after a mailshot from Egosoft but haven't looked at it yet.

    Got a scenario I was working on in TSC which is abandoned.

    Got a library fine on Wheel Of Time Book 12 (the one where Sanderson started writing and the story really picks up) because I should have been reading that in the late evening but couldn't come of WCMLOS.

    Only thing I will be breaking for is to do the snowy scenarios for the December Mastery.
     
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    It’s quite amazing what they can do. The question of why others can’t seem to come close to giving us so much at such a high standard in one go is one that I would struggle to answer. There are probably many variables at play but I think it’s best just to admire what Just Trains have achieved and leave it at that.
     
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  29. Sharon E

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    I have to keep praising JT on this route. I have started a series of shunting activities around Carlisle and have done the first 2 parts. This is some of the best shunting I have done in the sim. Very realistic and engaging. Looking forward to the follow-on parts. Nothing against JT, just that 08 is slow and seems to be underpowered when coupled to wagons. I mean I had 3 of those small, they are labeled vans, and coming from Kingmoor to the other side of Carlisle station the best it would do is 8 mph.
     
  30. vendys#6021

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    Class 47 service 0M41 at 1:54, has anyone managed to get a platinum medal? I only managed to get a gold medal.....and it seems to me that even if I keep up the speed etc., I can't get over about 560 points......platinum is only for 650
     
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    Class 47, do all three lights on your dashboard light up? Red, white and blue? low intensity, but still...only the blue lights up more when I apply the emergency brake.
     
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    That should be correct, all three should be dim by default (so the driver knows that they are working) and brighten up as a warning - yellow is wheelslip, red is engine shut down and blue is general fault. There is also a white light to the right of the desk which is for the train heating, if the ETH/ETS is on then it comes on or brightens up (depending upon the real world loco).
     
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    And the heating, is it real heating or general power supply, like the German DB 218 from TSG has? I'm a bit lost because I'm not familiar with English railways, so I apologize for the sometimes stupid questions. With class87 we noticed that we had the heating on even in the container train ...? and I feel like it wasn't even worth turning it off.
     
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    What I'm excited about is that AI-controlled trains use horns. But because I don't know much about English railways, I'm at a loss as to how and when to use horns. :):|
     
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    meridian#2659 Well-Known Member

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    Train heat is the power supply. The mk3 have also air conditioning etc.
     
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  37. vendys#6021

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    Such a finding from practical driving with hair 87.
    When I drive through the discussed isolated sections and of course, as is my habit, I enter the isolated section at full power, it just drops my power to zero and after leaving it the L and H lights come on again and I add power again and continue......:cool:

    I know that it is not correct setup, but in reality can some damage occur to the locomotive or traction line?

    Likewise, when reducing power, I accidentally skipped the RunDown position all the way to the OFF position.....and the locomotive survived it :)
    Can this be done in real life or is it always necessary to wait until RunDown reduces the power levels to zero?

    Thank You
     
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    vendys#6021 Active Member

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    Manual say :
    As you drive around and experience more of the route you will be automatically awarded Mastery tiers. There are
    two of these and they will unlock surprises for you!

    But I have only Mastery Tier 1 ... its ok?
     
  39. jack#9468

    jack#9468 Well-Known Member

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    Going through a neutral section with power applied can cause damage to the loco and give passengers an uncomfortable ride.

    Not an expert at all, but I'd presume running down the power before switching off is what you should do when slowing down and before braking.
     
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    From what I recall you are supposed to run down rather than straight to off, but so far I have been partially running down then putting straight to off (to minimise the sound distortion) with no adverse effect on the loco performance. Going through a neutral section while under power, however, I have had to click the pantograph raise/reset to start tapping or running up. Unlike the German system with neutral sections modelled (or the even more complex system in Trans Siberian) the UK procedure is fairly straightforward.
     
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    From what I recall based on German tap changers - yes, it will eventually damage the loco. It places unnecessary stress on the contactors and will wear them down. It’s one of those things that won’t immediately break anything and is perfectly reasonable to do in some situations (like a surprising adverse signal) but will wear the loco down faster. Thus, it should only be done when necessary.
     
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  42. ididntdoit

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    That's seriously disturbing mate. I have been to a few places like that. Where you can't get out quick enough.
     
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  43. vendys#6021

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    I now play scenario Broken Down and all lights (red,white,blue) are off. Red lights only by motor off, and blue only by emergency brake position
    But its day ..... in timetable service and in night shine all ... so I don't know.
     
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    I'm playing it now and the same problem on PS5....

    EDIT: I waited about a few more minutes and suddenly the switch flipped and I could drive onto the train.
     
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    2P87 - Lancaster To Morecambe (skipper 4-car) 12:53

    Its not actually possible to depart Lancaster at 12:55 because the incoming AI DMU doesn't clear the block until 13:01, the time you are expected at Bare Lane

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  46. Southern Driver

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    Driving from (I think no1 cab) power off, no amps and motors not running, going through neutral sections having to press pan up/overload reset to get power again once through.
     
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    Am I the only one not being able to spawn any MK3 coaches with custom liveries on it ? Doesn’t matter if I’m in timetable or free roam mode, it’s the same.
     
  48. Midnight

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    Horn use is prohibited between 0000 - 0600 hours on UK railways, except in emergencies.

    A lot of the virtual drivers at Preston and Carlisle might be getting a warning from what I've heard. :D
     
  49. slenderman7676RBLX

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    I think the time restrictions were only introduced after noise complaints in the 2000s. The route is set in the mid-1980s back when everyone just dealt with it... And when people could be trusted not to open doors on moving trains, window hanging on the mainline, etc.
     
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  50. Strat-tastic

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    I've had to do that when braking through a NS.
     

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