Wcmls Major Update (december 2024)

Back at work now, so can’t check it, but I think it was called Shed Life. Where you drive the wagons to a yard swap to a new set of wagons and take them forward.

 

Are you still having stability problems on your Xbox X , can you complete an end to end timetable with the 390 for example?

 

After I finish this scenario I'm gonna try a 350 into Euston 12 cars you wanna know how I get on

 

So is it fair to say whilst a lot of good work has been done, it’s still a bit away from where it could & should be?

Haven’t bought this yet, had thought I would post this update but I’m still seeing a lot of things putting me off.

 

Is Ctrl+R (speed set) working on console? Is it working ok on PC?

 

Just done a 12 car run with a 350 Tring to Euston the brakes are really bad doing 100mph notch 10 on brakes 1.5 miles before station and still over shot it does not slow down quick enough also when pedolino passed me started to go jittery and momentarily froze scenery looks kinda washed out and dull got some random aws alerts then was euston opened the doors and you got it it crashed but on plus note run the new freight job and went ok.

 

Is this on PS5? On the 350 run I did last night I didn't really have any issues with braking compared to pre-update. Set it to notch 6 1.3 miles out to get below 30mph before the platform and then use notch 2-3 to get to the stop marker.

 

No xbox series x

 

Well this new.

 

Not working for me as yet. (On PC)

 

I only picked this up recently due to the promises of sorting the route out. Waited till the update actually came out so can't say what happened before that but some observations post update:

I tried two different scenarios - Refreshing Refurb with the 390 & Football Frenzy with the 350. I didn't encounter anything game breaking or frame rate issues thankfully but I did notice the incorrect AWS ramp coming out of Euston from the underpass, some strange textures on the static stock at Wembley Sidings when passing by in the 390 and the passengers crossing over the tracks at Harrow & Wealdstone on the fast lines - wonder if that's a pathing issue for passengers given the footbridge they should be using is right by the spot they were crossing over? Also, the 350 sounds in exterior camera mode when driving one are the exact same as the cab and the braking, whilst I'm no expert at all, does seem rather pants for a modern EMU especially compared to the similarly age Class 377 in the game.

I then tried Service 2M05 with the 377 and had no issues, including no passengers crossing over at Harrow & Wealdstone.

I then finally tried a London Overground service, 2C22, from Watford Junction. There seemed to be a incorrect AWS ramp just after leaving the station where the speed increases to 35mph, signal was green but the warning went off. Apart from that, everything was good until Harrow & Wealdstone where I was met with a red signal. Whilst waiting for the signal to clear, decided to be curious and see what was at the DC line platforms at Harrow & Wealdstone through the live map and noticed 2C21 was at that platform and had no path. I deleted that train, the signal cleared and then I approached Harrow & Wealdstone to where I noticed there was two 1972 stock sitting in the Bakerloo siding which can only hold one, with the 2nd one blocking the northbound line and subsequently, a waiting 710. I deleted the 1972 stock blocking the line, then proceeded on my journey and as I pulled into South Kenton, the game crashed. All of this is on PS5 I should add, no created liveries and with 792 services in total according to the UI.

One final thought and it's another AWS ramp issue - there is one where you leave Wembley Sidings to join the main line during the Refreshing Refurb scenario where your doing 15mph and the next limit is 30mph yet the AWS warning went off despite a green signal, is this is another incorrect one?

I'm going to give this route a rest for now as it's clear there are still a number of important issues to be sorted in the mean time.

 

Works fine for me on PC(Steam). Haven’t tried it on Console yet. Will try at the weekend if nobody else beats me to it and I have time.

 

Had this multiple times. It’s always on the stretch between Kilburn & Euston. The game simply cannot handle that section. Especially Kilburn & South Hampstead. It can’t render any textures at those stations.

 

Quite awful. I mean I only have a GTX 1650 with 4 Gb VRam but it previously ran WCMLS fine, no issues whatsoever. But going in and out of Euston last night the experience was dreadful. Presumably the flickering lighting at Euston is all connected to the textures phasing in and out.

Not intending to touch this route again until we either get it rolled back to the previous flawed, but mostly playable, version or some significant fixes get delivered.

And at the risk of repeating, beggars belief this made it through any sort of conscientious QA or beta testing unless of course concerns of the latter were dismissed.

 

I think probably for those who want a busier timetable , it probably is going to come at a cost to performance unfortunately, unless you have really good hardware.

 

Performance bad on ps5. Loads of stutter at Euston Station inside the cab and outside just looking around and this is with all layers switched off. Other comments on here suggesting there ps5 is running smooth with little stutter baffles me when we all have the same machines.

 

DTG Matt thanks for the reply and taking it on the agenda. The Panto issue is somehow resolved.
Still the gauge light/cab interior light dimmer isn’t working, which makes driving at nighttime a bit of a pain.
I’m on PC, have received the update and no WCML/350 mods activated (and the issue occurrs also with the mods EP/TT on).

It’d be great if you could have a look at this issue. Interesting would be - for me - whether other (PC) users have had similar problems.

Regards Jon

 

Thanks. I can confirm that it works on Xbox Series X too,

I've had more success completing services today for some reason. It's definitely more laggy though, with one particularly notable freeze.

 

I don’t understand why it’s so bad for you. I’ve got all layers enabled on PS5, I get a lower frame rate in Euston, but it’s not stuttering any more than usual. Just the occasional stutter when loading scenery. I’ve been playing the gameplay pack most of the day and not had any issues.

 

I am on PC with a 1060 card and I can't say I have noticed a decrease in performance it is no worse I even wondered if it had improved.

 

Not sure if it matters, but I happen to have Display Mode set to HD, not 4K.

 

Reading the feedback on here seems to be mixed PC/XBX/PS5.
Some say smoother, others worse.
I mentioned earlier that it a magnitude better for me, but I've got 32gb of ram,8 vram
My settings use 6 vram and page upto 20 system this varies on pc ; weather,time of day, dynamic on or off.A quiet route is less than 10 gb system for example.
Have you run various timetables without a crash? I'm not going to see a crash with a locked frame rate and plenty ram.
Have you tried with weather switched off or minimum if it's crashing?
MattP mentioned pis screen memory leak across the board on all trains that use it.
That's got to affect the consoles unless like pc they can use a harddrive to swapfile for memory limits.
Also 350 being looked at for brakes also, I'm sure I read on here
It's good Dovetail are finding the issues that have potential to cause a crash.
But I said earlier, I could have waited for a complete patch.Cannot speak for everyone though.

 

Thank you for your suggestion but makes no difference at all. When at the station and just looking around it's not smooth. When trains arrive at the station there not smooth its like a micro stop start as they arrive. And if you pass a train on route everything freezes for a micro second before it passes you buy. I only have 4 DLCs nothing else. Wondering weather a hard reboot might help. I don't understand how one ps5 can be different to another.

 

I've a feeling that happens to most folks on the newer more demanding routes unfortunately.

 

I noticed a few people were saying they were struggling to get the Pendolino upto 125mph since the update? I noticed it is only very slightly more sluggish then original. But make sure the snow brake (beside the speed limiter) is turned off. I still managed to get it upto 125 without much hassle. I don't know if that is behind the fault causing some issues for players, but I needed to turn it off manually as it was automatically turned on making it difficult for some people to gain any speed

There seems to be a bug with both the 350 and 710 that if changing from another service on timetable mode that the 350 has to be manually set up with the pantograph needing to be turned on etc... and the 710 had a fault where no matter what current it was changed to it just would not budge. Definitely a issue.

(PS5)

This was yesterday evening mind, so as I said yesterday I'll be leaving this route until the update that was intended to be released for it, is released in full.

 

Attempted 4 runs today. One gave me the rendering screen failure and the other 3 all crashed to desktop randomly.

Attention DTG: the game is unplayable. Fix it.

 

In my opinion, it's now where it should have been on release. Where the first patch would have fixed the most obvious bugs. Have played it a bit since the updated, and I think it's now more than adequate.

Edit: I'm on PS5

 

I’ve mostly enjoyed it so far, runs mostly smooth on my system , good amount of traffic , improved scenery and lighting . Particularly like the Watford DC line runs .

 

The London Overground stations still have the incorrect station font. When I due return journeys from London Euston on the Class 350, the game crashes. I play on the Series X. When I play Lioness line services and arrive at Harrow and Wealdstone, the train becomes completely empty which is not realistic. It's nice that they added the new timetable, but why is this route so poorly optimized?

 

Wonder Dudders if you need to blow out some dust.Or does your Playstation run fine with other games?
On pc , mine needs a full clear out about every four months;in my dusty house.

 

XBX:

The route definitely feels a lot more alive now (brilliant!) but, Euston, we have a problem. I studiously saved my 710/3 morning rush hour run from Watford to Euston about 2 miles out and it crashed with the 'out of video memory' type error with just under a mile to go. I ran it from the save point, saved at a mile out (just in case) but made it into Euston without it crashing again. I guess there could be several reasons for this but I assume that less chaff has been able to accumulate (leaks?).

As for the 390, it feels ok to me. It gets up to 125mph no problem, the speed set shortcut works fine and braking is ok.

 

XBX:

The 350 (4 car) is driving ok. Acceleration and braking are fine.

 

It is odd, but the entirety of TSW5 runs smooth as silk for me bar Frankfurt Hbf and i'm on 4k settings. I do have a 2TB external drive on top of the storage and the console is brand new so maybe that's in my favour?

 

I bought the gameplay packs, well finally the yards are full with static stock as it should be. And the new HKA wagons look very good. Finally wcmls can be called an experience! (Didnt really drive on this route much before the update)

 

Another positive bit of feedback I haven't seen noted is that it seems neutral sections are kind of working at least on certain locos. I did one of the 710 test runs which runs under AC wires and got brief power cut outs that matched up with the neutral section boards.

 

Anyone tried the 710 test runs 5q52 instantly derails 5q51 will not move once you change ends anyone else got problems with these. On xbox series x

 

Did you add the stock yourself, or is this default since the update?

 

So playing pendolino service from Milton Keynes to Euston and the video error message chucks me too xbox home screen on xbox series x now that has never happened until this update and it was
Perfect run I'm so done with this route for now shame it is my favourite route why is DTG can't fix something evey update seems to create more problems and make things worse.

 

That was default after the update ,spawned on foot, just selected another time in the photomode for the brightness.

 

Be good if just trains could step in and take control?

 

Also have the wagon pack, nice too see some different freight on standard timetable runs too.

 

I would argue that the complexity of WCMLS is higher than that of BPO or WCMLoS. That's not to suggest that the JT routes aren't very good, because they are, but people continue to make the classic mistake of muddling up nostalgia for 'better', in TSW and in life in general.

 

To be fair and provide some balance, WCMLoS isn’t absolutely perfect. Performance wise it is a nightmare, even doing a DMU scenario yesterday evening there were some outright two second pauses and judders complete with sound squelching. Now some of that is definitely core, but I had just come from a previous run on Maintalbahn where I didn’t notice any performance hitches at all.

 

Managed to put three under on three different runs at Harrow;all 350 services.
That's the slow north route at Harrow.
As far as I've played the update,Not happened on the fast as yet.
Edit:
Harlesden on the DC had one under as well this Going north,710 Also is the 710/3 supposed to have the panel rattle? Sounds like a bicycle with loose mudguards.
AWS tripped me up once from three timetable.Hopefully the phantom Aws can be looked at also.That was just outside of MK on the slow .
Has there been an attempt at getting the neutral sections going; I took the 87 out on the route and got a shutdown not far after Wembley yards.Or is this something else?
Feedback for optimisation of the the route is good.Apart from Wembley yards and that's CPU related,maxing my old AMD 3600.
PC, recommended system specs.

 

I'm curious to know on will there be any confirmations of another post-patch release considering many fixes promised are still appearing?

1. Tfls Jonathan Font yet to be updated on Watford DC Line Stations.

2. Missing AI services for the Class 390 (Ones that don't stop at both Watford Junction and Milton Keynes.

3. Missing Class 350 services with a notorious 2 hour gap for southbound Birmingham NS to Euston services via Northampton alongside other instances.

 

Just to confirm so there is no misunderstanding on my part at all, does that mean no more 390 services will be added in the next update or indefinitely? (Both unplayable AI services and playable services)

 

Sincerely appreciate you trying though and also thank you for explaining the reasons why at this moment in time it isn't possible. Sounds like it can quite a frustrating task having to update the route!

You've done your best and that's all you can do, and furthermore you've taken your own time to improve this route. I'm sure once the updates are implemented properly it'll be so much better then the original release.

So a sincere thank you from myself.

Hopefully once the current issues are sorted one day in future they can be revisited!