Dovetail Games Mattel’s Thomas & Friends™ Is Coming To Train Sim World!

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Why would they do that? Do you have a business degree? Have you worked in the games business? Do you have any experience aside from playing the game that'll help DTG?

 

Clearly you don't understand, so I will explain it again: This add-on I have estimated to cost around £60 to anyone that has not played TSW before, which is especially true for the target demographic. £20 for WSR, £30 for the cheapest version of TSW5, and whatever this add-on costs, probably £10-15. Not to mention that you need either a Playstation, Xbox, or PC, which is at least another £100 for the cheapest Xbox One. I struggle to believe that parents will spend that much money for a few hours of gameplay.

 

Did you know that there are Thomas the Tank Engine apps on Mobile phones? Free to play as well with in app purchases available, There'll probably be a WSR sale at the same time Thomas is released, TSW5 Starter pack is currently free as well. You're a customer, as am I, as are the people who'll play it, young kids playing it will help improve their hand eye coordination and they get to drive Thomas. So DTG don't have to do squat what you say. They can point and laugh at you.

It'll bring more players to the game as there'll probably be a decent advertising campaign as well, it'll be successful despite you not buying it.

 

By the time this pack is out, the starter pack will have expired.

 

Time will tell!!!

They might extend it yet again!!!

 

I can imagine to use my XBOX TSW also for/togetherwith my grandson. Thomas would not be my first choice, but a TSW Lego edition, The Polarexpress, or Hogwarts Train might be a common entertainment across generations. The good old model railway takes space and much more money, so why not. As long as i dont see Thomas as AI on East Cost ML, it´s ok.

 

Oh good so then you should handing in your resume since you can run the company better than them.

Be sure to tell them how you would make it successful during the interview, I'm sure they will appreciate it.

Sorry but the game is not built exclusivly for you, and not everyone thinks the same as you either.

However looking through all the threads you seem the most upset of everyone and have posted the most against this DLC.

Maybe you should take a break, its just a game.

And like it or not its coming. So just get over yourself.

 

Surprised he's still here, all he does is complain about anything and everything.

 

When they release something that you disagree with, we will see who is "complaining about anything and everything". All you have done is defend this DLC, coming up with lame excuses as to why in fact, it is fine for this company to hype up a big announcement for weeks. The only way we will get good DLC in the future is if we rightfully point out the flaws of this company and the products they release. If people like you keep defending something that so obviously has issues, then they will keep making them. Since you are a fan of Thomas the tank engine, lets ask this very relevent question: What did you do when you saw the changes with All Engines Go? Did you defend that as well? Or did you realise that it had problems and deserved the criticism that is got. This DLC deserves every last piece of criticism it has gotten. Defending a bad product, denying the obvious flaws is not going to fix the problem. The only way this community will have a chance of getting what it wants is to speak out and talk about the flaws with this product. I live in a free speech country, and I will not stop pointing out the obvious flaws that this DLC and most other products that this EA wannabe company comes out with because you are one of the few people in this thread that actually like the DLC.

 

Even if they do that, it is still a £40 DLC. I don't see this getting extended much longer.

 

Almost every one of your comments from the last week on both the major thomas threads have been defending this DLC. This is not a DLC that is misunderstood, wrongly critiscised, or one that we "don't understand because we aren't 5". This is a DLC that was:
1. Hyped up for 5 weeks with the community thinking we were finally getting something good.
2. Is targetted to a age that mostly have iPads, not PlayStations and Xboxes. Seriously. Gen Alpha is an iPad generation. They don't play with consoles as much as Gen Z does. They play with iPads. And last time I checked, Unreal Engine 4 is not supported on iPads.
3. Will almost certainly contain numerous bugs that won't be fixed.
4. Costs way too much to function well as a game for 5 year olds.
5. Dovetail have a roblox game for this kind of content.
6. Imagine if Microsoft Flight Simulator hyped up a massive add-on reveal, and it turned out to be a plane from that awful pixar movie called planes.

 

You could have just ignored me and gone about your day. Do you really have nothing better to do with your life?

All Engines Go (and also pretty much everything after the 2000 movie) are utter trash and no, I don't defend them. But I don't cry about it either, it's my choice what I do with it.

But I defend this DLC precisely because my life would be entirely different if Thomas hadn't entered my life, it influenced everything in it. I wouldn't even be playing TSW otherwise.

They've released stuff I disagree with. They do stuff I don't agree with. I'm not some fanboy that likes anything and everything they produce, I give criticism where its due. If somethings wrong, I'll say so and move on.

What I don't do, is act like a child whenever they announce something I don't like. If I don't like it, I don't buy it, and get on with my life. I have far better things to do and worry about.

I've never said you can't criticise anything, you have every right to. TSW has many flaws and I point them out whenever I feel it necessary, I don't and never have denied them.

 

I see the age old art of screaming into the void and believing that you are the one to start a heroic revolution are still very much alive and well, but going off this one posters rants on such a nonexistent issue, the need for a good strength straightjacket is also very much alive and well too......

 

Wow, you really had to do this? Proves my point about you having nothing better to do.

Half of these don't even have anything to do with Thomas. Might want to look at their context before making false accusations.

 

There is compaints and critisisms and that is fine but why do you need to stress the same points over and over and over.

At this point your just beating a dead horse.

We get it your not happy. Unfortuately ypu don't speak for the entire player base. And even if you think all the active users in this communty agrees with you do you really think the active users represent the majority of players of the game?

They arent. I bet not even 40% of players actually go on the forums.

Out of the 5 people I know personally who play this game only 1 of them actually goes on the forums, the other 4 just get the news through the game on their consoles.

 

This company hyped up a big announcement for FIVE WEEKS. Community expectations were high. We thought we were getting a Class 91, not a wannabe E2. I am not the only one that is upset with the announcement like you are painting me out to be. Whether you like it or not, you and everyone else that is defending this DLC are a minority. Because you are clearly such a Thomas fan, lets ask another question:
You have said that you disagree with all engines go. Lets say that mattel said they were making a huge announcement that was going to appease all fans. Most thought it was returning to the old show with models, but it ends up being an All Engines Go movie. You would be rightfully upset, right? That is how me and most others on this forum feel about this pack. Whether you like it or not, more people hate this DLC then defend it.

 

Again you don't know what was in my brain so don't assume you do.

First off I have alteady said that no I'm not happy the reveal was Thomas and yes it was a big dissappointment to me personally.

But at the same time my expectaions for this grand reveal were low. I only expected a Happy Holidays video with a recap of the year in TSW. Not any DLC at all.

So yes even though I am dissappointed but it was a bigger reveal than I thought it was going to be.

Then I thought well if someone as big as Mattel and rights to the IP for Thomas are being shared with a small company like DTG that it would be a good infusion of money and PR that can only be good for the game.

I'm not going to buy it, but I don't buy what doesn't interest me, and if they had announced as the grand reveal say a a US frieght route that I have no interest in I would have been just as dissapointed.

The problem here though is you seem to think you know what everyone thinks about this. And haven't seem to even have thought about it from DTGs or anyone elses perspectives.

Yet you have posted the most against all of this on this thread. If you take out your comments the majority are not for it but OK with it and moved on with their lives.

I also lile how you were knocking TSW on the TSC forums and got shut down pretty quickly.

Why do you even play TSW since all you seem to do is bash the game and the company anyways.

Just looking for drama because you don't have enough in your life already?

Just saying thats how you seem to come off as.

 

First of all, I'm not painting you out to be the only one disappointed, I pointed out your posts are always negative. Ain't a bad thing (and to be clear I've never said nor implied it was). I just fail to understand the presence on the forum of a company which makes a lot of decisions you're clearly not happy with, to me that doesn't make any sense.

How is it their fault you failed to manage their expectations, knowing full well you'll be disappointed? You know what they're like, it isn't the first time they've done something like this, nor will it be the last. It escapes me why people do this.

If Mattel released an All Engines Go movie, like the show, I would just move on and not give a damn. I know they won't go back to the way it was, so am not going to the trouble of expecting something different because I know I'll be disappointed. As far as I'm concerned, only the original books and the early years of the original show are the best, anything new I just ignore.

If it wasn't Thomas, it would have been something else that would be just as disappointing. It's the way DTG work. Why expect different?

 

You've got your very own personal stalker there jack#9468

 

I went into this announcement expecting to be disappointed, but I was hoping to be wrong and many people did think that we were getting a Class 91 or something else we actually wanted.

One day this company needs to change their ways if they want to get a good reputation from its loyal customers that, including me, have been giving them money for years. This will not happen if we defend their poor choices.

 

Alright, to prove a point. I have started a petition.
https://chng.it/LQQHPYCBTj

If you disagree with the Thomas DLC, sign it.

 

You'll have to give me a minute, I just need to clean the puddle of P.I.S that I released whilst reading this comment and realising you were being serious! Oh how glad I now am that I am up at stupid o'clock in the morning!

 

You need to realise that if we as a community continue to buy these universally panned products then they will keep making them. I am on the verge of boycotting this product. I don’t care if I become the most hated user in this forum for my criticisms about Dovetail but you and jack#9468 are defending a bad product. This product has serious flaws but no one on this forum seems to be able to accept this. This community is imploding because of this DLC add on and this time next year when the forum has gone to civil war and the Thomas dlc failed you know who said it first and got called crazy for it.

 

Jesus, we need that straightjacket immediately, for your own safety and sanity, someone must have stolen all your Thomas toys as a kid for you to have this much hatred and trauma, take this as a little life lesson, you don't always get what you want in life and the world doesn't revolve around your, at this point, pathetic arse, deal with it and shuffle on with your remaining time on this planet......

 

Honestly mate, you’re wasting too much of your life on this.

I’ve made my view on it perfectly clear, but come on, there’s having a moan about something silly, then there’s having a full on breakdown over it.

 

So you make a petition requesting an intervention of the UK parliament ? You are ripe for the fruit cake department.

 

That's hilarious.

Edit: Oh my days, The petition is even better lol

 

Hilarious.

I thought the campaign for a new bank holiday in honour of the class 37 was the most ridiculous train related petition I’d ever seen, but no, you win.

 

Even then the argument is flawed. It’s on WSR… a real world route.

heritage railways often ran “day out with Thomas” events…

I get it’s not the DLC the poster wanted, but at least if your going to raise a petition, get an argument that can’t be pulled apart in 2 seconds…

 

This is getting ridicolous now, this dlc will come out, no matter if you don't like it

 

I am done with this game. From today, I am officially boycotting it.

 

I see a sim made for entertainment has now turned into a near political movement, or am I just having some hallucinogenic dream and I am about to wake up and realise I haven't really just read the above.

I think if things are getting to the point where you are getting this obsessed it is time to take a step back and find something you enjoy to do.

DTG aren't, quite rightly going to change their mind.

 

I am certainly not buying it, and if you have a look at my posts I am very much not defending this DLC by any means, however the fact you have set up a petition is just as laughable as some people on the opposite side of the debate have been in their defending of the product, not aimed at anyone specific, as most people, no matter the side of the fence, remain rather close to the fence. Again, I agree and have made my issues with TSW5's performance clear on these forums, along with many other people, however there is not a chance that this will be stopped from releasing, so instead of the forum being packed of melt downs and petitions we'll just have to wait and show that we (this representing yourself and others, including me, who don't like the idea of this DLC) are not interested by not purchasing it when it comes out. I am not sure you said it first, I seem to remember many people being very doubtful of its success minutes after the announcement, but by now most people, both for and against, have realised that we can't change anything, so why spend time over Christmas on here arguing about it.

 

Oh no

 

Jesus, we need to teach this guy some manners. Realize that if something isn't done then we will continue to get these kinds of DLC, and that is why I am boycotting this game, and I can find at least one other of someone else doing the same in this thread alone.

There is one person also boycotting.

Here is the next reply after that.

You have done nothing but defend this poor excuse of a company.

Unless this company changes its ways, then the boycott continues and the petition stays, whether you like it or not.

This Thomas DLC is driving this already LOVE (censored because I don't need it turned into LOVE again) community even further to the ground.

In a year, when this DLC has failed, we will see who is laughing when it fails.

Everyone defending it comes up with the excuse: Just don't buy it. When TSW3/4/5 were poorly received for being another paid upgrades, the preople that defend it say don't buy it then. The point isn't buying/not buying it. The point is that regardless of who does and doesn't boycott it, there will be people that buy the bad product, and using that money, Dovetail Games pump out these crappy DLCs that cause more people to stop buying from them. This cycle will eventually continue, until everyone has boycotted. When Dovetail realize this, that is when we get better DLC. Not by continuing to buy poor products like this Thomas DLC and anything from Rivet Games.

Maybe if people stopped buying routes from rivet games, they would take the time to improve their sh*tshow addons to repair the damage they caused to themselves.

From Today, I have officially boycotted Train Sim World.
Yours truely, trainsimgaming1001.

 

Well I guess this makes your petition null and void, unless you see this as a move to make you some sort of martyr, sadly the only songs that will be sung about this is that you got beaten by a train with a face.......

 

You have done nothing but defend this poor excuse of a DLC and are flaming people who rightfully excerise their right of free speech and call out this DLC.

 

Fine with me if you want to boycott DTG. But could you then please be consistent and also boycott its forum ?

 

Saying I'm going to buy it really doesn't constute defending it, it's simply a product being made by a company, do I care about the company making said product, absolutely not, if they were to go bust tomorrow I wouldn't care less, I have zero loyalty to any company on this planet.....

 

I really think that if you have got to the point where you are taking things so seriously you are starting a petition and declaring some kind of boycott, you really need to find something to occupy your spare time. It is a computer game/sim. it isn't real life, it isn't that important. In the end the petition won't achieve anything and you and a handful can boycott it but you are just going out on a limb and will end up disappointed. Go and enjoy life not let yourself get angry and depressed over what is in the end of the day some pixels on a screen.

I won't be buying the Thomas add-on unless there is something very surprising about it, as it isn't for me. I don't have an issue with DTG making it just as I don't with other add-ons I haven't purchased. However I am not going to boycott TSW, it is my main hobby at home and I play very few other games and as much as TSW can be annoying it gives me great enjoyment.

I don't think defending DTG's decision if you want to call it that, is laughable. I would call it being pragmatic, DTG I am sure haven't just plucked this idea out of a hat and just because I am not interested in it, it doesn't mean it won't be a success. It might well be to the benefit of all of us in the longer term.

There are many on here who are behaving like children just because they didn't get what they wanted. I didn't get what I wanted but I am not going to start throwing tantrums over it, it is what it is and there are plenty of add-ons to look forward to and to enjoy in the present.

Also on a technical point with the petition, it suggests DTG are falsely advertising TSW, as they said TSW will feature real world routes, well it does and has done since its inception, so that statement is totally disingenuous. This will be to my knowledge, the second non real world route, except the WSR is a real world route!

 

DTG when come back from holidays break and read this

 

You keep simultaneously saying that this DLC is both going to fail and succeed. You also say that it is "universally" not wanted and that it is causing a civil war, which doesn't happen when people universally agree. And so on. People pointing out the shutout victory of emotion over logic in these posts, and the doubling and tripling down on same, aren't trying to suppress your free speech; they're encouraging you to take a breath and put the brakes on. Could be kinder in some cases, definitely.

For this DLC to have been announced, there will have been months if not longer of negotiations, a contract in place, and development will be well along. It cannot and will not simply be cancelled.

 

nahhhh this is funny XDD

 

Defend it? Oh you poor child. I've been openly critical of DTG many times. But I'm not throwing my toys out the pram for a DLC that is optional. I hope your boycott lasts forever because I am laughing hard at you.

 

Oddly enough, we're also using our right to freedom of speech as well, You see how this works?

 

To be clear:

• Yes, the DLC is conceptually flawed and doesn't appeal to most players.
• Yes, the Thomas DLC being the big reveal was a huge letdown and should not have been announced in the manner it was.
• And yes, I don't like the DLC and probably wouldn't buy it even if it wasn't the big announcement.

However, after the period of disbelief I went through when it was announced the DLC just settled in my mind and isn't as big of a deal as it is to other people. The petition is just a bit silly... If you don't like the DLC, the strongest message you can send is to just not buy it.

 

A petition won't solve anything plus they won't take any notice of it has anyone actually signed it

 

So far, 2 signatures.

I can see this petition being a laughing stock. As if there aren't better things in the world to start a petition for than some optional DLC for a game the majority of the population don't even care about, or probably don't even know exists.

 

Two as of now.

Of course they won't take any notice of it, even if they had second thoughts, which they won't, they will have gone too far down the road to cancel it.

This thread is more evidence that this forum can be an echo chamber, like many online forums. If most peoples views chimes with your own, which I am not sure they do in this instance, then your view is correct and clearly "the minority" can be ignored. This does not take into account that the relatively few people on these forums aren't the only people reading the forums and are certainly not the only users of TSW.