Route West Coast Main Line: London Euston - Milton Keynes - Feedback

As iriv#7314 noted in his post above, he encountered a red signal at TK5199, but the HuD shows it to be green (see attached screen grab). I have encountered this myself running service 2K39. This signal is on the down slow just before Leighton-Buzzard. In my case the previous 2 signals displayed the proper aspects, double yellow followed by signal yellow. To go further, Leighton-Buzzard is a mess with 3 trains sitting there. The train in front, 1Y45, was due into the station at 15:24 and is still sitting there at 16:01 with the doors open and a green signal at TK5205. When I roll over it in the 2D map it tells me "stopped-arrived at instruction". So, it has been stopped there for 26 minutes. Makes me wonder if, when making the path for this AI, the instruction to leave Leighton-Buzzard was left out. Removing the AI did not help. TK5205, turns red and will not clear, so the 2 trains behind 1Y45 will move forward as far as the station and then sit. Tried removing them and I could get to the platform and face that red signal. When the signaler was quired, I got the response that I was off path. I am sure that if I go run 1Y45, it will run fine.

 

When you are take the class 390 to
The depot for the night you?
Do have passengers on the trains passengers to get off the train

 

If you are saying that passengers remain on the trains for depot runs, this is unfortunately a long standing core bug.

 

2T18 on TSW Doesn't stop at Kings Langley and Apsley when it should. Realtime Trains | 2T18 0910 Tring to London Euston | 17/12/2024

 

Passenger not boarding Bakerloo line London Underground train on the west coast mainline ( all service

 

Apologies if noted earlier, but I only downloaded the DLC yesterday - on both the 'Shed Life' and 'Shed Rising' scenarios for me, I wound up stuck behind a red signal due to train ahead also static at a signal. Waited 20 minutes in both instances and nothing changed.

 

Could you see any trains blocking you on the map?

 

Yes. In 'Shed Life' I could even see it sat at the station ahead of me! In 'Shed Rising', I could see it on the map waiting at a red (I was waiting at Bushey platform). I did wonder in the latter case if I'd screwed up the timetable by being a bit slow getting to Wembley and back.

 

Getting erroneous AWS Code 2’s (Horn vice bell) on the Up Slow between Leighton Buzzard and Ledburn. First was at the second signal out from Ledburn which was displaying a green aspect. Second was at the 50 MPH PSR warning board for Ledburn Junction, which should be suppressed if signalled straight up the Slow Line.

Also not sure if prototypical or not, but on this run (the Heavy Traffic scenario) signalled through P4 at Tring from the Up Slow. 90 MPH onto 40 MPH, but no protection by approach control or flashing aspects, fortunately speed change shown on the HUD.

 

Since been playing the new update the performance has been really good, like no stuttering at all. Only problem is crashes coming into Euston with the 390. Also sometimes I go Stationary at Euston after finishing a service come back and the game has crashed for whatever reason. I do send the reports to Sony.
But the major recent update with the timetables and the LNWR 8 and 12 car coaches, Overground timetable etc made the game play feel so much better on the game. How it should of been released and again massive massive Bravo to DTG Liam astonishing job and work and I can't wait till when he finally gets the full timetable out and I have all patience for it.

My only ever Grudge will be is that it should of gone to Rugby, Give us a good 1 hour run with the 390. Understand if Birmingham New Street is too far but I hope we get to that point sometime in the future where we can have those routes and also have save slots and where Saving the game works properly as it is possible.

Can't wait to see the missing AI 390s in the timetable as it will make the route much more alive!

 

on the series s, I don't tend to have stuttering, its just a Euston Problem unfortunately

 

Game crashed at Harrow and Wealdstone. From Harrow to Wealdstone to Euston significant fps dropping causing rare crashing. This is xbox series s

 

This has happened only once, not had it before. Presume the hard stuttering at Harrow has not helped the station. Hopefully both Euston and Harrow and Wealdstone get optimised

 

I love this route if look soo amazing for my first time ever

 

Wait until you find out there are so many missing 390 AI services as well as services that are meant to be playable with the Class 350 aren't even appearing.

 

The whole route needs vaulting and optimising jokes aside, I’m on series S and I did a run yesterday with Motion blur turned off and there was a slight improvement in performance but nothing crazy. Once I had arrived at the second to last tunnel before Euston, that’s when the stuttering really hit but the textures surprisingly didn’t downgrade. As I approached the slope into Euston, that’s when my Xbox gave me a “out of memory” error and booted me off.

I have also noticed since the latest patch, AI trains are either not fully loading in or missing carriages, very common on the 350, not as common on the 390 UNLESS there is alot of AI trains in the same area.

 

The update may have added new services but the game is now unplayable on the PS5. Stuttering every few miles where the frame rate drops to something like 5fps. And what on earth happened to the brakes on the class 350. 20% shows 75% on the gauge.

It’s a terrible update and I can’t really play the route anymore because of the appalling performance.

 

For me, I have had hard stuttering on the DB 66 WCMLS. DTG Alex have there been optimisations to the 66 as the 350 has previously been the one with optimisations.

 

I also cant believe the brakes are so strong. I can drive around now in the 350 without having to use more than 25% brake virtually the whole time! Even with min brake it decelerates quickly.

 

There seems to be something wrong with the DB Class 66's headlights when viewed from an external camera.

If you are zoomed in, the headlights appear to be on :


But if you zoom out they look like they are off or sometimes just very dim :


I tried both the SEHS and ECML versions of the class 66 on WCML and they work fine and then tried the DB version on ECML and it still does the same thing, so seems specific to the DB version.

DW

 

Yeah, I've observed this on ECML. Might be something to do with loading distance, a bit like how skyhook's HST headlight shapes used to be odd when at a (short) distance, but when you came closer they were correct.

 

This has always been an immersion killer for me, driving at night and seeing the shape of a passing train loom out of the darkness before it’s headlights are even visible.

 

Same here mate! They look like stickers they do rather than actual headlights.

 

game crashes each time you are about a mile away from euston or for some services as soon as you spawn and the framerate resembles something from a flash game in 2010

i’m on ps4 but my ps5 mate has had this happen too

 

im actually hoping this will be fixed soon

 

Some new feedback because I finally bought the Overground route to get access to the Lioness Line layer:

• Distinct lack of road traffic in the area where the Overground leaves the mainline for a bit (between Watford Junction and Bushey).
• Class 710 third rail shoe icon on the in-cab screen still not fixed (shows pantograph instead).
• No PIS boards for the numerous Overground platforms (1-4) at Watford Junction. Is that prototypical?

 

Yes, it is. These platforms do not have PIS boards placed in real life as the platform is quite narrow. Instead, I believe they are found upon the entrance to these platforms.

 

Wanted to ride the route on the Bakerloo trains yesterday. But after starting the ‘schedule’, I couldn't really see anything. Apparently the bugs with the lighting have not been fixed, because even with the lights on (left and right lamps) in the cabin almost nothing can be seen, the external running lights also do not illuminate anything. Has anyone encountered this? When I'm home I can give you the exact route and screencap it if anyone is interested.

 

The lights are still broken for me as well

 

Let's wait about 5 years and maybe DTG will release a remaster of this route with corrected lights, xD.

 

The stuttering and FPS drops are still really bad. In my case I found it for 15 or so mins after departing Euston on 1H08 (PS5) and every time I passed another train. I really hope that we will get some updates on performance progress in the core + for this route on Tuesday - it needs fixing

 

Happens for me on not just this route but overall other routes.

 

Was playing a service with an 87 ecs move and was utterly confused. Said can't pass signal as I had done something to the pathing?!

 

On another occasion, played a service with a 47 non stop pax. Upon closing doors there was no guard whistle. Obviously it's not an nha but a bg I believe.

 

I wonder why performance seems to be so different from one player to the other - including those on the same console, so theoretically with identical hardware.
I’m personally having a very smooth experience on WCMLS (and all the other routes, including Frankfurt-Fulda), even though I have almost all the available layers (just a few freight packs missing). Do these last few freight layers push the timetable from stable to stutter (I personally doubt it), or are there perhaps other reasons like an excessive amount of custom liveries?

I think this might be the wrong feedback thread for you, mate. You’re very likely looking for the Preston-Carlisle thread. This one right here is about the modern-day southern part of the line between Milton Keynes and London Euston.

 

Ah damn..sorry. my mistake lol. Yes was meant for that one.

 

Not custom liveries. I’ve unsubscribed from all bar one CC livery (HST SR) due to issues with coaches not loading etc., and I haven’t got any of my own custom liveries either.

 

I decided to take all custom liveries off and it’s made a huge difference for me

 

DTG Alex I had a crash once I finished the bakerloo line service at Harrow and Wealdstone. There seems to be some issue with the station as it can be very stuttery. I will presume there is a memory issue or leak as I didn't have this issues before the last optimisation patch. Could this be worked on to help.prevent this from happening in the next patch? (Xbox series s).

 

Hi there, today I encountered a bug in timetable mode on WCML. The problem occurs on timetable 2K07: London Euston - Milton Keynes on the journey from Hemel Hempsted platform 3 [departure 7:43:00] to Berkhamsted platform 3 [arrival 7:47:30]. I am attaching the video, as you can see I am greeted by 2 yellow traffic lights followed by a red one, the last traffic light is red, however in the HUD it is green and allows me to pass into the next section. There is a train on the platform that doesn't want to leave, even if you wait honestly in front of the traffic lights, despite the permissive signal in the HUD. I have tried waiting until 7:43:30 or longer, however it will not leave.
I am attaching the link to the video.

Spoiler: Video

 

devadatta357, this is a known issue within TSW. AI trains get stuck at various places, even if the light is green. The quick and dirty way to fix this is to delete the offending service. To do this go into the 2D map and navigate to the train that is probably causing the problem. Right click on it and a pop up will appear asking if you want to delete the train, path or do nothing. Click on delete the train, confirm this when asked. This will place you back in your trains' cab. You will then be asked, I think, via a popup if you want to continue the service, click yes and wait to see how this effects the trains in front of you.
I will run this service later and see how it acts.

 

devadatta357, well I just ran service 2K07 and had not problems in the run. Now several questions, first are you on pc or console? Second, if you are on pc are you running any mods for this route? I ran using the stock DTG timetable and not fawx's mod timetable since I thought the odds were good you were not using fawx's.

 

I was on a class 710 Watford - London Euston service and upon arrival at Euston the cockpit textures were again slightly blurred.

 

Oh, really? I've never done it and didn't know it was basically possible. I remember once being advised that you could take the AI's place and go back, but I really didn't know about deletion. In fact, this is literally the 2nd time I've encountered the ‘stuck’ train problem in ~112 hours of playing TSW 4 and 5.

Thanks for the help and verification, I play on PC on Steam with no mods. Perhaps the problem is again hidden in the ‘save’ function, it was the schedule where I saved and resumed travelling the next day. I have already noticed that Class 350 has a slight problem with this, after saving and then loading, the train doors are considered closed when in fact they are open, I have to close and reopen as the brake lock will not release because of this. I will try using your advice to remove the service. Will it service only be affected within the current timetable and will it reappear if I restart it?

 

devadatta357, I have learned the hard way not to save at a station stop, but most I do it after leaving a stop.

 

Sharon E, indeed, it is better to persist until arrival, or already after passengers have boarded.

 

Unfortunately it didn't work, even after removing the train the next section is impossible to pass. After the station there are yellow and red traffic lights that do not allow you to pass. Eh... Apparently the problem is somewhere deeper.

 

PS5

Running service 2K39 in the Class 350 as I get closer to Berkhamsted I get a single yellow but the next signal is green which then causes a collision with a 350 in front of me that is still in the platform.

EDIT: First time I tried this I ran it in December with snow which was causing me to be slightly late. I tried it again in November without snow and was running on time resulting in not encountering the signalling glitch outside Berkhamsted.

 

I encountered this traffic jam while playing the service 1A60: Manchester Picadilly - London Euston in journey mode.

I arrived at this point outside London Euston about 5 minutes early and got stopped at this red light. 10 minutes later and nothing has moved so I assume there is some kind of problem?



I ended up deleting this 350 that was in my way and that allowed me to proceed into London Euston.



This was on PC, Epic Games.

DW

 

• [Class 350/1] Passenger door indicator lights remain on when doors are closed after they have been opened
• [Class 350/1] Indicator lights remain lit after pressing and releasing the Lamp Test button on the back wall on the driver’s side
• Wires are missing from the transmission towers between Berkhamsted and Trig