Wcmls Major Update (december 2024)

DTG literally got data from people who work on these trains for this update.

 

From drivers? I heard "who work on trains"

Well if so, it's ok, I won't argue - just giving you some numbers instead of talk which I prefer. I find it awkward, but then... if it's really like that then so be it in TSW - I'm glad I can make a smooth application in TSC and a strong when I need it.

AP also do their research with railway staff and on trains for the recordings (even if eldomtom2 might doubt that, but that's not my but their problem), that's all there is to say. Who has no data choses to trust someone, and for me personally, AP is much more trustworthy, like it or not.

Why these discussions always. Someone come up with a number sheet for evaluation, instead of "citation" "proof" "doubts". I cannot work with that. Hell I didn't even care only wanted to provide DATA to help clear up doubts that were brought up here. Better not again.

And the BR 114 brake is also fine and realistic. Suuuure. DTG and brakes never go well together. I never forget ProfessorOleander's hilarious CSX:HH tests on YT ("what the... what the hell?").

 

Me in your wardrobe right now

 

Thanks for checking this out. Interesting to compare, and who knows which is the closest to real life! Probably only a real 350 driver could accurately tell us which one is more authentic.

 

I wish I hadn't. Only troublesome, and will not change anyway.

 

I thought we did have someone claiming to be a 350 driver on here a while back.
I searched in vain for information on line, but most is hidden behind a professional logwall on the RSSB site and there's a couple of documents about stopping distances in conditions of low adhesion, more like 1000m from 50 MPH certainly not 220m from 60 MPH. The latter potentially means you could hit the platform end still doing 60 and stop by the other end which I still find a bit implausible. For comparison, the stopping distance of an articulated lorry from 60 MPH is averaged at about 120m, so I still find it hard to believe a 4 car multiple unit with steel wheels on steel rails could stop in not much more, even in optimum conditions.

 

Matt says it's correct and so be it.

 

From the AP 350 manual. No idea who either of those people are, so they may be Mr Powerhouse, working for him, or someone helping out. That's assuming 'advanced scripting' means physics, which is not guaranteed.

 

Nicolas Schichan is the main scripter at AP. An extremely skilled guy.

 

Mr Powerhouse is Richard Armstrong I believe.

 

It does really seem hard to believe . I’m often slowing up too early before stations now , finding I have to coast in, as I’ve gotten used to the old 350 performance!

 

"How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?"

 

The only references I have found to braking performance are a post by a class 444 driver (which is a relative in the Desiro family) in which he describes stopping from 40mph at platform end with a 12 coach consist using 30% brake effort and another describing routine stops from 50mph in the same consist with 50% effort (the latter mentions approaching in a DMU at half the speed). Which would seem to be pretty impressive. The reference to a lorry stopping from 60mph is not truly comparable - 30 tons static weight to maybe 500 tons and big difference in braked wheels.

 

Do u mean a 450 or a 10 car train? 444s are 5 car units

 

Looking at the scope, DTG simply outsourced the wrong project at the wrong time to the worst company choice possible (for this kind of project) . End of story.


Rivet can show their quality on short routes which are less frequent. I quite like both iow dlcs and the swiss rhb routes are rather well done too.

But seriously expecting them to deliver the probably busiest section of UKs railway network on a quality level we expect now with tsw? Dont blame rivet.., DTG messed up big time.

 

Has anyone else attempted to ride as a passenger in a coach on a 390? It seems as though every seat in every coach is filled at every station. Certainly, drawing all those passengers can't be good for performance.

 

I did a run in the 390 earlier and first class was nearly full but only a handful of people in standard, after I opened the doors.

 

Also, I did end up getting deluxe for 45% off. Overall, WCML is ok. There's a few things that erk me that've already been mentioned, such as the external door hazard lights remaining illuminated on the 350, the strange abbreviations of some stations and repeating tunnel textures (not had any blurry ones yet).

One thing I noticed that I haven't seen mentioned is some services feel like there's a passive AI driver. Not had this since TSW2020 so no idea if it was fixed (can't remember how to glitch it into happening, but I do have a video). The Overground services I played, for example, with the lights already set and the wiper automatically turned on. This could just be how the 710 works, I haven't played GOBLIN at all (only got it for the 710).

Similarly, the 350 seems to slam the brakes on at low speeds in stations sometimes even while coasting or minimal brakes, almost like it suddenly dumps the reservoir pressure.

There's also a really irritating (to me) high-pitched noise constantly in the background of the 390, not sure if it's a fan or some form of transformer.

 

It’s the air con - can be turned off in the cab.

 

Bit like real life. Don’t think of travelling long distance on the WCML without a seat reservation unless you want to chance standing from London to Glasgow!

 

Sometimes, not all the time, using the external camera, then going back inside obliterates the passengers! Also, you could sit where a passenger was already sitting, not sure if that good bug has been sorted though, be typical if DTG actually fixed a bug that was a useful bug!

I hope one day that the godmode mod will have the option to remove all passengers on the train

 

Just did my first all stops run in the 350 since the last update (from MK heading south) and had no crashes or performance issues and saw loads of traffic. Have to say overall WCML is where it should be now and is a very decent experience.

 

Night lighting seems better on this route now, quite enjoying night drives.

 

Sorry if this as been asked but why are ai pendolinos only doing 110mph because that slow me down to 110mph

 

I think people said it was for the timetable, so didn't need to be at 125mph the whole way and allow the timetable to run as intended or something. But then this was supposedly fixed in a previous update - clearly not unfortunately.

 

"Rivet Games"

 

This is probably why i arrive some minutes early at Watford and Milton keynes whit class 390

 

I think the case is there's meant to be at least twice the traffic then we have currently have, as to why services likely are arriving early. The Class 390 AI services are missing, including some supposed playable services, some Class 350 services are missing as well.

We were promised over 2,000 AI services as part of the recent update. Hopefully they should address the missing services.

 

Don't want to seem pedantic, but timing services to run at line speed is the best way to have late arrivals should the slightiest unexpected event occur...

I suppose Japanese punctuality has to do with that.

 

This was meant to have been fixed in the previous patch and was one of the things that, for whatever reason, got left out.

I’m sure when the next patch comes this fix will be included.

 

Sounds a bit like TPWS? I only know this can be the case for Euston if you approach over 12mph (or thereabouts) but unsure elsewhere

 

Defo not TPWS. No flashes on the unit, not going over any grids and the brake pressure doesnt go to emergency.

 

15 MPH to be exact

 

It's alot better after the patch,done many runs at different times of day with all rolling stock ,have read in the forums that there's still services missing ,can't myself say if the service pattern is totally correct to real life , I've been on this route many times and to me it feels pretty busy and and good representation,although if iam being picky the freight is still lacking

 

Is anyone else finding PIS on the trains broken?

 

Yes, it is. At least I noticed it on a Pendo the other day - wrong departure time and wrong destination on the external PIS.

 

Yes I run a 350 for euston to Milton Keynes it read out of service

 

I have this issue as well. Also the Class 710 destination is wrong as well. Trains to Watford Junction are supposed to have the train display "Watford Junction" on the PIS and not "Watford Jn" which is what they currently display

 

Just did something really funny during my first Overground service (have owned WCML since release, but only got Suffragette last night). On the journey out of Euston, I noticed that the bug showing the incorrect power source (panto instead of third rail shoes) is still there. I figured I’d experiment a little and left Euston with the panto, utilizing the OHLE present there. In a very claustrophobic tunnel, the overhead lines ended and I did a switch to 3rd rail while moving, kinda like we do in LGV Mediterrane.

Definitely not as per normal procedures, but tons of fun!

 

This remind me back in TSW3 in Southeastern highspeed route, i wanted to change power mode whit the javelin while passing Ebbsfleet upper platforms, but you can lower panto and shoes only stopped at station, another time i wanted to know how far you can go whitout change power mode, in this case when i approached Ebbsfleet upper line to Faversham i was overspeeding a lot, stopped around Rochester area whitout power from third rail

 

It isn't that common in the UK for trains to change power modes on the move. The 80x units do, but most of the time it happens when the train is stopped at a station. Southern's 377s used to change from third rail to overhead and vice versa whilst moving, but after one accidentally pulled down the wires they stopped it.

 

Evening DTG Liam Just wanting to ask is this something you are still committed to, as well as these services tones of other AI services are missing as stated.
Understand everyone is wanting the GWE Remaster so understand the pressure you may be under but would be really nice to see the full realistic timetable as per real life (exclude the 805/807 services) Hoping you are.
Thank you

 

I appreciate your work on this DTG Liam - the performance improvements are needed, but the service count has been drastically improved since the original release and has made the route more enjoyable

Might be a silly question - but how come the original timetable dev can't share the data with you so you can see where things would fit etc.?

 

Also can there be any more verification that the 350 braking performance is realistic ? Can the brakes really be that good ?

 

Morning Liam, thank you very much for you're response I shall find Matt's message. As always appreciate what you're doing and has helped the experience feel much better, I am hugely grateful that the I don't seem to experience any kind of frame rate loss at all I should say, so where it was first released to now is tones more better.

Would be great if we can get the 87 Services in and also the missing services but as always I totally understand and I always have faith in you!

 

So not played this route due to crashes and blurry textures have these improved yet I wanna get back on this route its one off my favourites. Playing on xbox x

 

I've not had any crashes ever on this route.

As for blurry textures, unless they were outside the train (I spend a lot of time inside the Pendolino) then not much.

 

I had 3 crashes on PS5 yesterday and one just prior to today’s update. So far things appear more stable.

 

Noticed the patch includes correction to 350 braking , so the braking before was incorrect .