Loco Expert Locos:class 370

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  1. pessitheghost

    pessitheghost Well-Known Member

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    As a fan of Train Sim World and a long-time enthusiast of British Rail's iconic rolling stock, I am writing to suggest the introduction of the Class 370 Advanced Passenger Train Prototype (APT-P) in the game, specifically within the challenging and rewarding "Expert Mode." The APT-P represents a pivotal moment in railway history, showcasing the engineering ingenuity of British Rail during the late 20th century. Given its rich technical complexity and historical significance, the APT-P would be a fitting addition to Train Sim World, especially in an Expert Mode that could truly capture its intricate features and operational nuances.

    Historical Significance of the APT-P:
    The Class 370 APT-P, introduced in the late 1970s and early 1980s, was British Rail's ambitious attempt to develop a high-speed tilting train capable of operating on the existing, curvaceous rail infrastructure of the UK. The train was ahead of its time, incorporating groundbreaking technologies such as active tilt systems, hydrokinetic braking, and advanced onboard computers for the era. Although it faced numerous operational challenges and was eventually withdrawn, the APT-P laid the foundation for future high-speed trains in the UK, including the successful InterCity 225.

    The Case for Expert Mode: APT-P's Unique Challenges

    To truly honor the legacy of the APT-P, its inclusion in Train Sim World should not be limited to a simple simulation of its operations. Instead, I propose a fully immersive experience in Expert Mode, where players are required to master the train's complex systems and operational procedures. Here are some detailed aspects that could be incorporated to enhance the experience:

    1. Advanced Tilting System
    The APT-P's most distinguishing feature was its active tilting system, designed to allow the train to take curves at higher speeds by tilting the carriages into the turn. In Expert Mode, players would need to manage this system manually, balancing the trade-off between passenger comfort and maintaining speed through curves. A realistic implementation would require players to monitor the tilt angles via an onboard system and adjust parameters in real-time, taking into account track conditions, speed limits, and passenger comfort metrics.

    2. Hydro kinetic Braking System
    Another pioneering feature of the APT-P was its hydro kinetic braking system, which used water turbines to provide braking force at high speeds. In Expert Mode, players should be tasked with managing the transition between hydrokinetic braking at high speeds and traditional friction braking at lower speeds. This system could include realistic failure modes, such as overheating or turbine malfunction, which players would need to address on the fly, adding an extra layer of complexity to high-speed operations.

    3. Complex Start-Up and Shut-Down Procedures
    The APT-P was not a "turnkey" train by any means. Starting up the train involved a series of intricate procedures, including powering up the onboard computers, activating the hydrokinetic braking system, and configuring the tilt mechanism. Likewise, shutting down the train required careful attention to ensure systems were properly deactivated and prepared for the next service. In Expert Mode, these start-up and shut-down procedures could be faithfully replicated, requiring players to follow a detailed checklist and ensuring that any missteps have realistic consequences, such as system faults or delays.

    4. Realistic Performance and Weather Impact
    The APT-P, like any high-speed train, was sensitive to weather conditions, particularly in terms of braking performance and adhesion. In Expert Mode, players could be challenged with dynamic weather systems that impact the train's handling and performance. For instance, wet or icy tracks would reduce the effectiveness of both the hydrokinetic and friction braking systems, requiring players to adjust their driving style accordingly. Wind conditions could also affect the stability of the tilt mechanism, adding another layer of realism to the simulation.

    5. Detailed Cab and Instrumentation
    To fully immerse players in the experience of driving the APT-P, the cab should be modeled with painstaking detail, including every switch, gauge, and display. The player should have full control over the cab environment, including lighting, heating, and even the tilt angle displays. Each instrument should be fully functional, providing real-time feedback on the train's performance and condition. This level of detail would not only enhance the realism of the simulation but also provide a rewarding challenge for players who take the time to learn the intricacies of the APT-P's operation.

    6. Scenario-Based Challenges and Historical Routes

    To complement the Expert Mode experience, a series of scenario-based challenges could be developed that reflect the historical routes and challenges faced by the APT-P during its service trials. These scenarios could include high-speed runs between London and Glasgow, dealing with unexpected system failures, or navigating challenging weather conditions. Each scenario could be designed to test different aspects of the player's skill, from managing the tilt system on tight curves to handling emergency situations with limited braking power.



    • Incorporating the Class 370 APT-P into Train Sim World's Expert Locos would not only provide a deeply satisfying and challenging experience for seasoned players but also pay homage to one of the most innovative trains in British railway history. The APT-P's complex systems, unique operational challenges, and historical significance make it an ideal candidate for a detailed, high-fidelity simulation that goes beyond basic train operation.

    I believe that the addition of the APT-P in this manner would be a highly anticipated and celebrated feature among the Train Sim World community, offering both a nostalgic journey for those who remember the APT-P's trials and a new challenge for those who seek the ultimate test of their railway simulation skills.

    Thank you for considering this suggestion. I look forward to the possibility of seeing the APT-P brought to life in all its glory within the world of Train Sim World.
     

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  2. jamestecho

    jamestecho New Member

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    Definitely need to see more expert locos, they are an incredible concept, and the use of such an influential train really sounds interesting
     
  3. elarthur

    elarthur Well-Known Member

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    My money is already waiting. This would be ideal for WCMLoS as 1986 was the tail end of their careers. Please somebody make this happen.
     
  4. maccagee#4924

    maccagee#4924 Well-Known Member

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    Managed to get on it once. Never imagined back then it would be the only time.

    Shame they couldn't preserve a full set, but I'm glad you can still go see it at Crewe.

    Would love to see it replicated in TSW.
     
  5. jamestecho

    jamestecho New Member

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    What do you mean by that, is it gone or something?
     
  6. seththeshark#8542

    seththeshark#8542 New Member

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    I think there should also be a scenario where you can drive up to 155mph like in a TSC scenario from Preston and Lancaster
     
  7. oakleymoss#1362

    oakleymoss#1362 Well-Known Member

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    the APT-P sets were withdrawn in 1986 after the APT-P project was terminated.. If the Government had just provided a bit more money towards the project, all the issues would have been fixed.

    Only 1 full set has been preserved along with 1 powercar and they both can be seen on static display at the Crewe Heritage Centre
     
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    oakleymoss#1362 Well-Known Member

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    1 full set has been preserved
     
  9. oakleymoss#1362

    oakleymoss#1362 Well-Known Member

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    tbh even though I'm glad we are getting another AC loco for Over Shap, I would have prefered to see the APT as the DLC
     
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  10. maccagee#4924

    maccagee#4924 Well-Known Member

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    As I said in my original post, it's not a full set.
     
  11. oakleymoss#1362

    oakleymoss#1362 Well-Known Member

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    Ok my bad
     
  12. star#5823

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    why less scotland?, i say we want more
     
  13. jamestecho

    jamestecho New Member

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    Oh so you went in the actual train when it was on service! I thought you meant that you saw it at Crewe but now it's gone of something.
    But yeah I know the story of it and I've been to see it myself living not too far from Crewe
     
  14. oakleymoss#1362

    oakleymoss#1362 Well-Known Member

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    I wasn't the original person who you were confused about.. that was maccagee#4924
     

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