Excuse For Dtg Not To Produce Longer Routes.

Showing there was a demand would be that "market research" for them.
So far they seem to only use sales and their annual questionnaire.
Neither of which show any interest in making longer routes.

 

I'm the same. If they had of done euston to Birmingham I would have paid £60 go all the way to Liverpool I would have payed £80. I bought a game the other day for £80 with all the extra dlc packs.

I guess not everyone has the same mind frame, not on this forum anyway

I guess it's just the way people think these days. Don't wanna pay £60 for a route that goes all the way to Birmingham, but will have no issues paying £32.99 for a route to Milton Keynes then another £32.99 for a route from Milton Keynes to Birmingham.

 

This right here is bang on. I would pay £60 for a route from London to Birmingham.

 

Maybe you can persuade JT to clone their Chiltern Line from TSC.

 

So to be clear would this be an extension to the existing WCMLS line?
For say perhaps 30 pounds more?
Or 60 pounds new for the whole thing?

(I don't consider this a "longer" route in the context of the original post because it's still only about as long as a couple other routes already in the game)
I think that would be reasonable given that Shap is about 45 for around 90 miles, and about 120 miles would make sense for 60.
It would be virtually guaranteed sales from at least some of the people who have WCMLS...which is most TSW 5 players.
The problem is... it's made by Rivet.
Would Rivet have to do the extension too?

 

Yea made by rivet was the worst idea, imo should have been ripped up and started from scratch.
But For sure I would pay £60 for it as long as it worked with no bugs. Dunno whether some of the community would do the same. But We need some High Speed Immersion where we can do a back to back run with a high speed train only one you can really do it with is the 395, one of the best routes.

 

Can try my very best

 

Guilty. It's a large amount of money for a single purchase, I'd rather split it up. Buy one section first, see if I like it enough, and then buy an expansion later. Not saying it makes sense, but that's how my brain works.

 

I fear that, if they went that far, the overall quality would be poor. It seems to be either length or quality they go for when deciding on a route (unfortunately some routes such as WCMLS don't meet any).

 

If it was a expansion then I'd be happy with that. But I have a feeling that the route hop feature is the end of expansions. So if dtg do Milton Keynes to Birmingham my guess is it would be sold as another route and you would have to terminate at Milton Keynes l, route hop and carry on to Birmingham.
I don't see this as being ideal.

 

Yeah, that kinda defeats the whole purpose of a long stretch for high speed rail if you have to stop half way.

 

it does genuinely question, why cant those people just drive shorter services... like sorry realistically you dont only sit for about an hour in driving. A longer route can contain services that dont even go the whole way. Like a LNWR service from Euston to Milion and only stopping at a couple station. For those who wish for a longer service pattern then we have a Avanti from euston to brimingham. like in TSC is just more possible and in here is just a worse version of the one in TSC. (Seriously get the TSC version of WCML south instead, much more worth your money because you can actaully get to birmingham).

 

Short answer?
People are looking for "high quality on the cheap."
The same people demanding a lot more are rarely willing to pay for it.
It's penny wise and pound foolish in some cases since they'd pay for two $35 DLC but not $60 for the pair "since it's cheaper" (but it's not in the long term) but I see it all the time in lots of games.
That's why maps are often broken up into small pieces and sold off in bits because some people buy that way.
Unfortunately, unlike those other games where the map is "smooth" between the DLC, there's this "route hopping" thing in TSW, instead of building the whole route and just releasing bits of it as they are "unlocked."
Again... short term vs long term thinking.

 

What you said is bang on, like if its something that everyone would love why on earth are they complaining about it. I can't believe people were bewildered with the WCML OS Route. I think it was a steal for such a quality route. It honestly should of been around the £40-£50 mark But again that is my opinion.

I was hoping Matt would of answered my question but seems like he may be on Holiday still.

 

I think DTG missed the mark by not having a team just build the whole WCML from London to Glasgow. As pieces were done, they'd ship that and keep working on the rest. Then people could buy whatever parts were complete and released as they wanted. Then once they did "unlock" (buy) a new section it'd already be part of the whole. When complete, you'd have one continuous piece you could buy, or whatever pieces you want, but it'd be all connected. A map is a map after all. If that works, move onto the middle of the country, etc. You could basically fund the team doing the project as more pieces of the route go in the store. I don't know the mechanics behind it as I'm not a dev, but it's something that other games do regularly and it works seamlessly. Now that might clash with their vision of being a Core developer only in the future and third parties doing all the lifting on building content (if that's their plan as they did in TSC) So maybe that's it.
Just on the outside looking in.

 

I have to say that would kill everyone's PC and Consoles, love the suggestion but that wouldn't work

 

It'd be up to the person to know whether they had enough space to download the full thing =-)