Enough Is Enough!!! The Ongoing Saga!!! It's Almost The 3 Year Anniversary

We are now getting since MSTS days and TSC for that matter:

Shorter routes
Less rolling stock
More reuse of rolling stock repeatedly
More incorrect rolling stock used in place of correct rolling stock
More excuses
More marketing
More gimmicks
Higher prices
Incorrect sounds
Steam doesnt sell
Steam will never be fixed
BR doesnt sell
Rivet being allowed a low bar to work to


All that considered is it any wonder some of us complain. I haven't mentioned bugs or improvements for old routes either.....

 

excatly. And lets face it, its obvious that TSC is a middle ground for both TSW and MSTS.

 

Thing is other sims and games get larger maps while TSW goes backwards. I stand by the fact that the next Train Sim platform will have even less. Euston to Watford jcn with no trains anyone?

 

You jest, but it would be interesting for some future route to simulate parliamentary trains, simply due to their rarity. Anyone know if any current UK routes in TSW have any parliamentary services, past or present?

 

Wouldn't that fail the Lamp Oil test....? Can't think of any.

 

It would be an empty route just featuring parliamentary trains yes! I meant, a future route that had parliamentary services as part of the regular timetable of course

 

Stalybridge to Stockport comes to mind. Also Northampton to Market Harborough back in the late 70’s when the parcels train from Leicester to Northampton and back on Mondays only was advertised as a passenger service, using a BSK.

 

Good shout, I wonder if this one is represented as an AI service on Glossop

 

I believe Teesside airport (on TVL) has parliamentary services IRL

 

I cant think of any other train sim, SimRail? Who else?

 

SimRail's maps are enormous and put TSW to shame. I like the game, especially the dispatcher mode, but the full package is a bit flaky at the moment.

 

Flight sims, other games too numerous to mention. Why is TS getting smaller?

 

Off topic but
Red Weather warning up here. Stay safe everyone!

 

if its train sim specifically?
The recent flight sim need internet to stream the map out- would that even work with TSW?

 

at the cost of taking really long to make and only focusing on one single railroad.

 

Not to mention the ongoing neglect of the single player game!

 

This talk of SimRail intrigues me. Have I heard right that it might be coming to console? If so, this will be a game changer as a huge number of TSW players are console based. Sounds like there is still a lot to do, but what's already out there seems good on the whole.

 

I'm not sure if there's a parliamentary service on East coastway to Newhaven marine.

 

They have put a console release on their roadmap, but items on that have a habit of slipping or not happening unfortunately.

Anyhow, this thread best place to put it. As the latest patch decided to pretty much do a full reinstall of TSW5 after corrupting the files, took the opportunity for a bit of triage/housekeeping. Gone are all the North American routes, apart from Clinchfield which holds a soft spot, unticked in DLC and paks deleted. That’s probably 70 to 80 Gb of HD space recovered. Need to look at the UK and German routes I can do without but the problem there is the complex layering. There’s not much you can remove without it affecting something else. Kassel to Wurzburg top of the list for the chop, along with Rapid (vapid) Transit but as regards the former, I don’t want to stuff up and lose the 401. Koln to Aachen and Munich to Augsburg also lined up for the headsman’s axe.

UK, well Glossop lost its lustre very quickly and as I won’t be buying the ATS electric bus stop, don’t really need the NW 323. Would like to get rid of Goblin too but needed for the 710 on WCMLS. Likewise WCL, sadly layers into other stuff.

It might seem extreme but there’s absolutely no point keeping routes installed that I’m unlikely to look at again. US freight is better served by Run 8 or TSC. Germany, apart from the lack of a save game having got into Zusi 3 that can be more fulfilling. Also routes like Munich to Augsburg are duplicated for me in TSC.

 

Careful, you'll draw the ire of ATS' defenders! They are vociferous! I've got rid of the US routes I had, apart from the Harlem line which I really enjoy driving. Glossop was a "filler" and like you, holds no charm for me anymore. I'm looking forward to the Welsh route I hope, the idea of a network is great but it needs to be at least mostly finished before it's released!

 

But SimRail feels more replayble than the whole bunch of TSW's stubs.

 

In the end decided Glossop had to go along with, surprisingly, Birmingham Cross City. I mean not a bad route per se but very much a one trick pony and the ultimate electric bus service, which never received any additional love from DTG. The German routes I mentioned also gone, all of which has freed up a nice bit of HD space.

 

Cross city would have been fine if New Street was busier and Cross Country stuff was running. I just don't get the strategy other than green light one handle one train for UK routes.

 

I find TSW actually does have a lot of replay value.

Countless times I've driven the same route, same service, with the same train. Occasionally I switch it up, but I'm mostly enjoying the same thing over and over.

Sounds boring, but I find it enjoyable.

 

Yup. And this is what most train drivers do in real life. In fact, repetition is what most people do in their jobs in real life. The people who are good at their jobs, whatever they may be, find meaning in the repetition and develop their skills accordingly.

 

323 being the ultimate electric bus service is hilarious

maybe its time we DO get a cross country voyager add on. And then abuse it to layer on to nearly every single route that has a cross country service running them. A good gameplay pack for all routes might I add.

 

It is not mine but a brilliant illustaration of SimRail concept what is TSW fails - "Even the same train on the schedule driven each day gives a totally different experience every time."

"SimRail is the first game on the market which gives the proper feel of the actual operating a train. I don't mean just driving because other sims get it quite right too. I mean operating. Using paper schedules, asking dispatchers for a signal, asking for the reason of a delay, dealing with human errors (like puting a slow train before a fast one), letting a train into occupied track to drive visually etc. Which other sim at least touches these subjects? Even the same train on the schedule driven each day gives a totally different experience every time.

Yesterday I took a full route from Warsaw to Katowice with EP08 express (Vmax=140 km/h). I knew there was something ahead of me because of flashing greens on the block signals. I asked the dispatcher what was that. It turned out it was another express with the same Vmax=140. So I continued calmly. But then I asked this exact driver (which I knew what his numbers were from the dispatcher) if he had a stop at Opoczno as I had in the schedule. He confirmed that. From this moment I knew I didn't need to rush it because there is just a single platform there and I would need to wait. So I slowed down to 120 km/h to conserve energy. I arrived at the platform without need to brake or wait just on time. Later on I also noticed I couldn't release the brakes fully. I investigated the gauges and found out that pressure in the main reservoir was low. After some more inspection I found out that the breaker for the compressor was out. After resetting that the compressor worked and I could continue.

All this happened on just one ride. I felt like a real train driver solving problems. And it wasn't scripted. It wasn't some scenario designed like that just to do it once. It was something that we all crafted and executed together. The driver in front of me, the dispatchers and myself. Who cares about the graphics or sounds (and they are top notch in my opinion anyway) when you finally have a tool which gives you experience so realistic and appealing?"

 

And yet DTG suggest you can't really do events like this in a train simulator. At least not in theirs. I'm absolutely sure they could, if they invested the time and skillset.

 

TSW is so far off that it is unreal...

When will they learn that predictable green light runs are not that realistic. TSG have attempted faults etc but TSW main issue is the rigid dispatcher. Its time to put some randomness in. With a slider for those who want predictabilty.

 

I mean this a really fair point. I'd love to see something like this be a feature in the game.

However, I do look at how the dynamic weather is still broken and wonder if DTG would cause the same issues with random events in the game. Constantly going from green to a broken down train and essentially leave it...

 

But even that in Simrail is not realistic.

I drove the LRT in Calgary for 26 years and maybe you would have something other than the norm happening maybe 2-3 times a year.

That is alot of just the same run back and forth with no issues asides weather. 16 roundtrips per day 5 days a week. Maybe 1% of the time a mechanical issue of some sort.

If you have issues all the time in real life its time to replace your maintenance staff.

Yes it was very repetitive and not all that enjoyable all the time. But thats why it was called a job and not a game.

So in my experience most runs in real life were like TSW.

Not knocking Simrail its a great game, both have there pros and cons, TSW has more cons right now than SR.

And honestly if your not running 8 hours a day 5 days a week. I see how it would be more fun in a game.

But in real life it is not like that. It really is generally a boring job, like if you were a truck driver running the same route everyday.

The reason I play TSW is I miss it being retired. So its nice to just drive a train in my living room on console for an hour or so. And I'm not that computer savvey.

But I don't miss the daily grind that is for sure.

 

Sometimes to be honest, I don’t want to play this game. Too many bugs, too many errors. Routes that are not functioning properly and correctly. Right now playing the Expert 101 and I’m getting this bug that won’t confirm that I unlocked the doors to advance to the next task. This had todo something with the patch update. I’m just sick of the bugs going on everytime I play a service or playing conductor mode as well

 

Er yes and no.

It runs to Newhaven Harbour and then ECS to Newhaven Marine. I'm not sure if it still occurs in reality though.

 

Yes I think the remains of the station was demolished a few years ago. Geoff Marshall done a video of the ghost train back in 2011.

 

The station was destroyed but the siding is still there.

 

l would be interested in SimRail on console, but like TSW because of the uk routes!

 

Searchlight are developing a US route for SimRail already, but I think a busy UK mainline like the GEML or WCML would be amazing in SimRail. I love dispatching in SimRail, but the current main route doesn't have many interesting areas to be a signaller.

 

Kozlow signal box is a real challenge

 

The trouble is that most of the signal boxes aren't, at least earlier on.

 

Also the Searchlight US route for SimRail seems to have stalled as regards much in the way of updates and sure I’ve seen speculation that it’s even still happening. Hopefully it does, though god knows how much it will cost given the price of their TSC add ons!

 

that sadly is the case... at least what the case is compared to TSW, you can at least drive from London to Scotland all the way through, even in one sitting. Compared to TSW? They can't be bothered because "time" and "cost"

 

Unless you're willing to pay like $500 and wait at least a decade, I won't think dtg will ever create a several hundred mile railway line. While that happens, they can't create any other dlc

 

They don't have to spend all their time on it and do nothing else.

There is such a thing as working on more than one project at a time.

 

Anyone who has the DTG/TSW Facebook feed subscribed notice they seem to have gone into overdrive today?! No doubt to try and drum up business.

Strange there are staff to do that but no one to post on the forum in response to the various issues people are having…

 

We’ve spent the money already Vern, they want fresh wallets!

 

Good point, well made...

 

The marketing budget must be huge, fireside chats, social media reach, massive reveal movies. Those of us who simply want to thrash an old diesel on a decent route are being left behind in a sea of exclamation marks and spin.

 

Fulda just crashed on me. Again.

 

If only the money they spend on the revolving door for the constantly changing community managers was spent on fixing the core issues of TSW...