Skyhook Teaser Discussion

What train is it gonna be? You can post your guesse here

 

It's a DRS class 20

 

DRS Class 20.. It can't realistically be anything else

Photo Source - https://www.railexpress.co.uk/541/bachmann-announces-drs-choppers/

 

Skyhook and DTG knew that we’d be able to get it straight away from that shot and it’s going to be a nice little addition to TSW when it comes.

 

TBH, whilst I'm happy that we are getting another variant of the Class 20, I don't get why Skyhook couldn't give us a different DRS loco like the 88 or 68 or even a different modern freight loco like the 60, 56 or even a 70

 

This. I mean the Class 20 is good and somewhat under utilised in the game, but really this is just another reskin pack when the UK freight side of the game is calling out for an all new freight loco.

 

Yes, why another Class 20? The TVL version is very good, what's to improve?
They could have made something more enticing like a 50 or 55 or a freight loco we don't already have.

 

Could be licensing and access to the actual train issues and doing what they are comfortable. They haven't made a new loco since hsc i believe. Mml rolling stock was made by dtg. The scotrail 158 was based off a dtg model and so forth

 

Oh I agree, whilst this will be fine we are also definitely in need of some other locos.

 

I imagine the cab of the DRS 20 will have updates and equipment not available in the current one such as safety equipment like AWS.

 

Let’s hope for the hotplate to be there again as well

 

When reusing a loco, even DTG build off the existing model, changing interior and such. While it is true that a lot of work still goes into it, it does provide circumstances where trains have hallmarks of their previous model. For example, the Southeastern class 375 has a speed set because it was an edited version of the East Coastway class 377. The 375's speed set doesn't work, but it can be edited using the r and f keys.

I believe they will use the existing class 20 and modify it as required, keeping the hot plate.

 

Hopefully it gets suspension

 

I would also like new UK modern locomotives, because class 66 is boring now

 

and what route do you think it will run on?

 

Honestly, looking forward to this. Good to see another Class 20 variant!

Anything is better than another Class 66 right now...

 

Probably the 20's will go with the freight wagon they are producing and the 55 or 50 doesn't.

Hentis

 

Only 2 things are certain in life Class 66's and 4gen high floor Dostos.

Wait thats death and taxes. Nevermind.

 

The existing class 20 model does have AWS though, does it not? I’d like to see a retrofit of TPWS and a GSM-R radio in the cabs too.

 

It would be interesting to see if it does. But I am not going to get overly bothered if it doesent. Hopefully it might even have the Headlamp as well.

Hentis

 

the DRS class 20 also has different light clusters but yeah, it's just going to be a reskin.. It better come with a new wagon for it to be worth while like the Nuclear Flasks or something

 

the TVL Class 20 does have AWS but I doesn't have the other safety systems like GCM-R and OTM-R

 

agreed.. The Class 66 is so heavily used in game that I am starting to hate them in real life.. That idling sound (after a bit) drives me mad.

DTG did say why they weren't investing in giving us more modern UK freight locomotives and it is the most bone-idle and stupid reason I have ever heard - they basically said "we don't want to give you more freight locos for our modern UK routes because the Class 66 does most of freight work in real life and it's seen on basically every route in the country, so what is the point to give you more freight locomotives?"

In short, they can't be bothered to give us what we want and what we have been suggesting for years and yet they are more than satisifed to give us a copy & paste of the same game every September. I bet you they are working on TSW6 right now ready for "Big Announcment" in August

 

Same can be said over poor and lacklustre decision for Manchester route that only coming with overused class 323

 

TSW6 featuring an Sodor Rail liveried Class 66...

I hate the damn things in real life, they're bloody everywhere but there is still some variety left - well not much now but even just in the last 5 years we still had 56s, 60s, 86s, and 92s working freight alongside existing 70s and 90s.

I think a lot of it is down the routes and what is suitable for what, some locos are able to fit fairly well across several eras with a little fudging - a 56 will fit in on the MML, ECML in modern-ish eras while it will also fit in on NTP, TVL and WCMLoS in the 80s. Same can be said for the class 60.

A Class 70 would be fairly limited in scope, routewise as other than fudging it into the ECML I don't know how much of WCMLS and MML see regular 70 action. It is a LOVE cop-out from DTG though, the 66 is a (more numerous and poorer mans) class 47 of its day but I guarantee that had DTG been making this game back in the 1980s/90s they wouldn't have said "well 47s are doing most of the work so we will just chuck more of them in".

Hopefully we will see reskinned JT86s on WCMLS working the Freightliner services that had been until recently operated by 86s.

 

56s never went up the WCMLoS route until the mid 90's.
I'm wondering how much use a DRS 20 would have with the current DLCs as they only did flask trains really. Maybe the odd railtour.

 

I know the 66 gets a kicking because it's the only modern UK heavy freight loco but its omnipresence on the real British Railways network is very realistic. Classes 56,58,60 and 70 are pretty much all gone. I see the occasional 57. The remaining 37s and 47s are on borrowed time.

The best hope is a Freight version of the 86, a Class 90 (yes please) or one of the new electric ones (88, 93 & 99).

 

I'm looking forward to this a current freight locomotive for use on modern timetables

Would be good to see a few liveries such as DRS for freight and maybes the LONDON TRANSPORT and mainline green pulling railtours.

If all the safety systems are modelled and working correctly I can't wait to see this on my routes and it can't come soon enough.

We've been crying for a freight locomotive and this is better than nothing at least something will break the EWS/DB 66 Plague

Because frankly I do own the Engineering Express Add on to diversify the freight scene but the ONE livery has a love for being in Mountsorell yard on every run so has to be uninstalled for immersion purposes

 

It's a modern freight loco that isn't a 66, that alone is worth celebrating.

 

A Colas Class 56 or Deltic Railtour - any of these is fine.

 

It's a class 20 last of the Single Cabbed locos
With a very stand out rear end and the handrail for engine checks and setting headcodes
I mean I'm 90% sure because it's a dirty blue not grey so it will be in DRS colours the same as the 66 they brought out
Probably using licence agreements before they run out

 

Sorry - I can see it’s a DRS class 20. I was referring to what I would like to see instead haha

 

While the 66 is dominant, so were the 47s in years gone by. If TSW was made in the 1990s we'd have the same problem, but with endless 47s rather than 66s. Had the 66s never been ordered, we'd have an overabundance of Class 60s and 58s. The variety that train enthusiasts want will never exist because real world economics don't align with train enthusiasts wanting different trains going through their local station each day. The amount of Class 66s is nothing new - large orders for identical locomotives have been a thing ever since grouping.

Plus, out of the classes of trains you mentioned only the Class 86s and 58s have gone completely from revenue service. The Class 56s are chugging along with DC Railfreight, and GBRF are using Class 69s. GBRF have apparently cancelled a project to re-engine Class 60s, but they and DC Railfreight already have a number in service. Land Recovery are also set to reintroduce some to service within the next few years. Most of the Class 70s are still in service, but not that many were built to begin with. Other than the 57/0s, the rest of the fleet is going strong. Class 37s and 47s aren't useful for modern freight trains but the former is still going for engineering trains. The Class 90s are still going with Freightliner too.

GBRF have plenty of 73s in service, along with 92s despite DB abandoning them. Remember, what DB Cargo does is not a reflection of the UK freight industry because they are on borrowed time themselves.

The Class 68s and 88s are used on freight, and the Class 99s will be soon (and are incredibly powerful). The Class 93s are a bit of a dilemma. They're not that powerful on diesel and Freightliner passed on them, with that probably being a reason for it. They are, like the Class 18s, a DOA fleet.

 

Where did they say that? I mean that has to be one of the worst answers possible. And by god it boils my piss just a little bit.

Yes the class 66 is the most numerous freight loco in the UK currently, but that doesn't mean that every other class shouldn't be represented, even if it is a small service roster. Look that the ROG 37, sure it's based on the WCL 37 but it's around doing jobs, that's the point. 37800 came up by Kirkby to pull a 507 that crashed years ago back onto the tracks.

We need a swear jar for 66s and Dostos.

"Not a 66?" asks Dovetail? "This will not do!"

'We just don't wish to model any more modern freight classes for the UK and that's that.' I'd take that, at least then it'd be transparent rather than something so facetiously flippant sounding. The modernised class 20 is a welcome break though, surely even they can see that!

 

They don't want to, or can't?

DB seem to be the only freight company willing to participate. All other viable freight locos are operated by other companies. Only recently has Freightliner (minus the new livery iirc) wanted to cooperate in some way.

If they can't get access, it makes sense we don't have them in TSW, because as well as modelling the locos, they need sounds too. Add in that they need a viable route - and most don't warrant a brand new freight loco - and it becomes more complicated than "we only want to use the Class 66".

Just a thought.

 

I think Matt said it during a stream a bit ago but I can't remember which one

 

What are the chances of them giving us a Class 50 in the future,or am i being too hopeful.Love the sound of them.

 

i think i know what it is

 

i know the name of the train on the image below

 

https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/class-50.88555/

 

along with the Class 55 and a bunch other diesels, the BR Class 50 is one of the most suggested BR Diesels however, we are more likely to see it come with a route unless it becomes a DLC for a route like WCL or WSR

 

well yes i do know but it dosent look promising that it is the class 50 because on the skyhook teaser image on the comment that i made previously there are overhead wires in the image so it is probrably an electric loco

 

The 'overhead wires' warning sticker is applied to all locos and trains that operate (or will operate) under live wires. It's designed to warn staff not to get to close to the wires as they are a health hazard and touching them can cause severe or life changing injures and have a chance to be fatal..

 

uh no i was not talking about the overhead wires sticker

 

i was talking about these wires where that white arrow is pointing to

 

sorry read the comment wrong, I've had a long day

 

its alright i understand

 

So if it's what we are thinking do you think we'll finally be able to put these stickers to use?

Surely they aren't gonna release the class 20 in BR colours again so DRS blue is the only other option (from the photo)
Which makes me think unless they're just gonna just slap it on container trains and hope we don't complain the nuclear flask train will be required

I used to live on a regular flask route and I've only ever seen DRS 20's and 37's pulling the flask you never see them anywhere else

So I'm assuming that they use class 20's incase of contamination and don't use them for anything else
(Correct me if I'm wrong)

I'm hoping skyhook
Give us a really good gameplay pack
With multiple modern 20's
(Balfour Beatty, DRS, BR Green, London Transport)
Flask, Railtours and engineering trains
Who wouldn't be happy with that

 

I wonder if another route we don't know about is due to be released before the Class 20 becomes available. As there would be very limited services for it to run on at present.

 

Regulair diesel locos run on electrified lines,or maybe used to,so im not sure the overhead wires necessarily point to it being an electric loco.I think is a 20 for what its worth,also if its going to be running flasks would that have to be another route to be added?