Ai we should get. Transport for wales services towards Newport, Swansea and the valleys Hst castle sets. Class 166. Class 387. Maybe a class 801 acting as an 800 but probably not. So probably 80% of the services should be their unless they add something for Crosscountry services
255s served between Taunton and Cardiff Central (as well as Cornwall). It would simply be a 4-car HST (I know, the livery also changes...). We already have the 166s, 165/1s (fake), 387/1s (unbranded) and, possibly, the Castles. We're missing the IETs (which alone make up 40% of the GWR timetable) and 158s. We're not that bad off after all! PS. we're lucky, as the 255s had the slam doors Mk3s (unlike many other GWR sets, with upgraded plug ones)!
Ahhh nice! Thanks for the information mate! Forgot about the 166.165s as well. 387s too. Not really been to Cardiff Central.
I noticed that as well, 385 also has this ‘style’ of texturing. It’s not giving me DTG vibes, happy to be proven wrong though.
I sincerely hope this is not the next Rivet route and they have not been let loose on the rolling stock, but DTG tried to keep it schtum. Chalk up another question for the feed.
The mud brown, TSW2 looking ballast is also another Rivet staple. It's also been pointed out on Discord that some of the buildings in the skyline shot are regularly used by Rivet too. I want to be proven wrong and Rivet have had ZERO input on this route. They should've been let go after the WCML South mess, they've had plenty of chances to prove themselves now. Especially when we have more third parties joining up that have far surpassed anything Rivet have released in their first releases...
Well there you have it people, I'm quite sure those of us that were being accused of having a tin foil hat were in fact right... All the signature Rivet hallmarks seems to be there. As I've been saying time after time again, I think DTG are outsourcing route building of UK routes to Rivet. Exhibit A... And if proven true (which I suspect it will be), that's how much your feedback about WCMLS saga was taken and how DTG value you as customers. A lot of us are not wet behind the ears and said this was going to happen.
If outsourced, it's very disappointing. Re your 2nd point - I would hope the contract with Rivet was arranged prior to the WCMLS saga. If arranged after, it paints a very concerning picture!
I do hope that the issues I am seeing with it are just due to it still being in production. It isn't looking too shabby in fairness, though the big deciding factor will be what, if anything, has been done to rectify the awful 150/2.
Looks good but the lighting at Cardiff central is wrong. The details in buildings looks good hopefully the trains sound good and lots of ai.
Well if it looks good on release then I don't care who has built it, it is too early to tell yet. If Rivet are involved hopefully DTG have learnt the lessons from WCMLS and will be keeping an eye on development. I still doubt it is solely a Rivet build but I could be wrong.
I'm going to say I don't think DTG has learnt it's lesson from WCMLS, I'm obviously speculating and that's only reflective of my own opinion. But, if Rivet have had the same issues with everyone of their own official releases and haven't bothered fixing them on them, then that's what you've got to look forward to in their outsourced work. WCMLS is still in a bit of a state and thats AFTER improvements that even Liam found hard to implement! All I can say is I'm not lapping this up. I'm not fooled by the great 3D models, I know Rivet of old and if any of their previous stuff is anything to make a judgement by then I know exactly how this will pan out. I'm speculating but I don't think I'm going to be wrong on this one in afraid.... I've been saying this for weeks now. Not for me afraid, and I feel this will be bigged up and given some nice tidy little screen shots much like WCMLS and end up exactly the same. I've always in the past stood up for DTG, but not at the moment, I think to allow cowboy builder type routes to go ahead and charging you full whack for pleasure whilst full well knowing they are not of an acceptable quality is completely out of line. And that's what Rivet do. Sure these are a few screen shots, but much like WCMLS, you can tell already what we are in for... The screen shots and information in the coming weeks will allow for more of an idea of what's going to be on offer here, but the hairline fractures are already visible to me hence my huge resentment.
The reason I think it’s a dtg route is the way Matt talks about with so much passion and excitement he seems to confident for it to be a rivet route. maybe rivet have a small part but I think it’s mostly dtg
I would hope DTG would be honest with regard to this. As much as I want it to be day 1 and it looks beautiful! I don't want to be buying Rivet content that under the DTG guise. If it's just the modelling then that's okay rivet seem to do decent with the models. I just like others have some reservations especially with the beloved 150 which really needs justice done to it this time! Would be nice of DTG to put this to bed if possible
I don't believe it is solely a Rivet route, they may well have had a hand in it. They may have had a hand in many more routes than we realise. They certainly were involved with Cathcart. I am not going to castigate the route until I have seen it properly. I haven't seen anything in those screenshots to put me off. I am more interested in what the finished product looks like than who has built it. If it looks good and has a realistic timetable then it doesn't matter who built it, if it looks bad and has half a timetable then it doesn't matter who built it. Either way for me the end result is the same, I either buy it or I don't.
So if it is a very good route and you think I am glad I purchased this, then you find out Rivet has built it, what are you going to do? Not play it, get a refund?
Yeah I would completely agree with that! I think for me it's just the alarm bells ringing a little with the 150. But from what we've seen it does look like a solid route at this point! Definitely interested
If it's a good route and it's well made and gets good reviews and feedback then I will purchase it. If it's not then I won't I simply mean that like a few others I worry about the Rivet involvement is all. Not meaning to be sinister or anything along those lines I just personally don't like buying own branded Rivet routes unless they've been given a good stamp of approval or had a good release cycle like the most recent IOW line which was very well done
This is what I'm nervous about too. I just want DTG to come out and say they're doing all the stock sounds and physics in-house. I do wish they'd stop using that TSW2 style ballast though. The German routes as of TSW3 have been using improved ballast that has different shades and colours mixed in. Why isn't that tech being incorporated into the ballast for UK content as well? This screenshot of the Goblin line is taken from SprattyHeath's ballast mod page on TSC. Look how much of a difference a more accurate ballast colour makes to the overall look of the route: I honestly think this should be the standard of ballast in general at this point.
I don't really care whether or not Rivet built it. Not as if I'll be shocked by the quality if they did, all their routes are pretty much built the same way, so not as if I'd expect any different if that's the case. I'll go on a whim and say that their contribution, if any, is more on the model of the 150 and 153 than anything else.
That lighting at Cardiff Central is completely wrong. Where's the harsh yellow glow? I'm far more worried about that than any other Rivet stuff. Speaking of Rivet's potential involvement, I don't really care as long as they haven't done the sounds for the Sprinters again. Fife Circle is a perfectly enjoyable route so long as you don't look too hard (or use the external camera driving the 170).
This has my Spidey-senses tingling: “Shown below is your first look at the revamped Class 150 in its new TfW livery in Train Sim World 5!” You could read that as if it’s just a reskin. I really hope they’ve sorted the awful physics and sound mixing
Well the Q&A thread for the Roadmap Stream is eagerly awaited as this could be a question many of us are asking, “What involvement have Rivet had with the route and the trains and have the poorly implemented physics and sound from WCL been properly buffed?”
Still, I will be more inclined to accept that when independently verified or confirmed on a stream, particularly the sound mix.
Well they all did IRL, though 142’s and 143’s which tended to have coupler droop (ooo er missus), did not always play nice. As usually testified on Night Shift when the 03+25 Canton to Gloucester ECS came to grief on the curves at Chepstow and Lydney. Best case scenario split and recouple to get going again. Worse case either EBS raised which meant the consist was a knacker on arrival at Gloucester, or having to dump one of the sets off in the Up Goods at Lydney.
Yeah I know they did in real life, saw and travelled on many odd combinations lol, But in game the 150/2 can't couple to anything else.
It's a dtg product which means the physics and sounds will be much better. The only reason why it sounded so bad with rivet is because they messed up the physics
When do you all think this will be released now? By the looks of the screenshots it looks like it may be in the near- closing stages but I cannot tell. Hopefully will be one of the April or may releases or maybe even sooner!
Hopefully Late March or sometime in April as it is in the 0-3 months section. Should be no later than Mid April I want to say
One thing I will take from those screenshots which is moderately reassuring, is that the ballast is not the reddish brown texture we have seen on the last few Rivet routes. Doesn't mean they aren't involved, but a glimmer of hope!
Do be wary, WCML also didn’t have rivets ballast and look how that route turned out, an eyesore on release.
If it is a HST, I doubt it’s included, probably AI from GWE. castle sets only do Plymouth - Penzance services now. Which means this route is slightly backdated, to maybe 2023/early 2024, then castle sets did Cardiff - Penzance services.
Agreed. Also the white marker lights on the 150s is not completely correct. Apart from the Great Western 150, TFW's 150 has both white marker lights on whether the day mode or night mode instead of just one with a high tensity headlight on the other side.
