DTG Protagonist Do you have the list ready for tonight’s live stream? You said you’d tell us the most requested routes during the stream on Tuesday.
Top 6 were: 6: Liverpool to Manchester 5: Anything in the Netherlands 4: Any underground route 3: Anything in Australia 2: East Coast Main Line 1: West Coast Main Line
Also 1,2 and 6 for me. lots of people want more underground which personally I can’t understand. Bakerloo is enough for me
50 routes in the list but some are tied, hence I will start the list at 23rd place. Please excuse any misspellings I had to write the list down from the audio stream. 23) Any Swiss route, Any Austrian Route, Cajon Pass, london-Edinburgh, Any Indian Route, North Wales Coastal, Orient Express, Semmeringbahn, Severn Valley Railway 22) Fife Circle, Great Eastern Mainline, Horseshoe Curve, The Hudson Line, Isle of Wight 21) Settle-Carlisle, Any Eurostar Route, London-Peterborough. 20) Tyne Wear Metro, Any French Route, Any Route that hits Chicago, The Cambrian Coast Route. 19) A Berlin route, A LGV route, Merseyrail, New Zealand Route. 18) A Norfolk Southern (US) route, London-Norwich, Long Island Railroad extension, Gotthard line. 17) Any Scottish Route, Sherman Hill. 16) Marias Pass. 15) A Canadian Route, South Western Main Line (UK), West Highland Line. 14) Any Japanese Route 13) Any Italian Route 12) London-Brighton 11) Riviera Line (UK), North Eastern Corridor (US), London-Birmingham. 10) Metronorth. 9) NYC Subway, Midland Mainline (UK), Edinburgh-Glasgow 8) London-Portsmouth 7) Pacific Surfliner 6) Liverpool to Manchester 5) Anything in the Netherlands 4) Any underground route 3) Anything in Australia 2) East Coast Main Line 1) West Coast Main Line That lot should keep DTG busy for a while
I can’t believe Cambrian coast is only joint 20th... it’s a beautiful part of the world and in cab signalling too good to see some healthy variation in the list though.
Overall I pretty much agree with the list. I'm surprised the Cumbrian Coast didn't make it on there at all!
Yeah. I‘d love to have it. It was my first introduction to train sims when MSTS came out. Lots of nostalgia for me.
Sam had said in the stream they didn't wan't to make it a full announcement because people would think all their dreams would come true & that DTG are doing these routes even though it's a list of possible candidates for routes
Fixed Iskra’s list to put it in a more traditional format but still in reverse order. 45) Any Swiss route 45) Any Austrian Route 45) Cajon Pass 45) london-Edinburgh 45) Any Indian Route 45) North Wales Coastal 45) Orient Express 45) Semmeringbahn 45) Severn Valley Railway 40) Fife Circle 40) Great Eastern Mainline 40) Horseshoe Curve 40) The Hudson Line 40) Isle of Wight 37) Settle-Carlisle 37) Any Eurostar Route 37) London-Peterborough 33) Tyne Wear Metro 33) Any French Route 33) Any Route that hits Chicago 33) The Cambrian Coast Route 29) A Berlin route 29) A LGV route 29) Merseyrail 29) New Zealand Route 25) A Norfolk Southern (US) route 25) London-Norwich 25) Long Island Railroad extension 25) Gotthard line 23) Any Scottish Route 23) Sherman Hill 22) Marias Pass 19) A Canadian Route 19) South Western Main Line (UK) 19) West Highland Line 18) Any Japanese Route 17) Any Italian Route 16) London-Brighton 13) Riviera Line (UK) 13) North Eastern Corridor (US) 13) London-Birmingham 12) Metronorth 9) NYC Subway 9) Midland Mainline (UK) 9) Edinburgh-Glasgow 8) London-Portsmouth 7) Pacific Surfliner 6) Liverpool to Manchester 5) Anything in the Netherlands 4) Any underground route 3) Anything in Australia 2) East Coast Main Line 1) West Coast Main Line
There is no 46, there are several at 45. Sam called them equal 23rd but they are all actually equal 45th, and that’s how I put them.
This list is in my opinion a pretty bad representation of the entire community. It just shows that there is a large English speaking majority on the forums from English speaking countries, as the amount of British, American (and even Australian) routes is quite disproportionate.
I mean alot of people have not much info on other countries railroads, and are listed as such... 45) Any Swiss route 45) Any Austrian Route 45) Any Indian Route 33) Any French Route 23) Any Scottish Route 18) Any Japanese Route 17) Any Italian Route 5) Anything in the Netherlands 3) Anything in Australia Most of the English routes are usually listed by name, destinations or operators.
It’s not surprising for a company based in England that produce a game where there is a lot of content from English speaking countries to have a mainly English speaking fan community. The forum is English language too for those reasons. They do make an awful lot of German content too though. Nobody has engineered the community to be this way but it is easier for English speaking people to join in. I would be very unlikely to join a Chinese train sim community, so the North Wales coastal route would probably be under-represented in their top 50, as they would be missing my vote.
No Yugoslavian narrow gauge... Surprised not to see the Somerset and Dorset or Great Central on there, but guess that will come if/when steam traction arrives.
For TSxxxx there are many Dutch routes, all of them created by the Dutch TS community with some rolling stock from professional developers (Chris Longhurst created some nice scenery packs as well, which he gives for free). So there is a lot of interest. It took about four years to get the first route. Due to the lack of proper tools for TSW this is not happening for TSW, unfortunately and the interest from Dutch players for TSW is not very high. We Dutch would be happy with any first Dutch route. I would suggest to build one of the awesome regional routes. That would be not so hard to build. So I think this list is a bit biased.
Exactly right, but it's even more biased than that: this is a list based on those who have talked to us either here, on Facebook, on Twitter or on Instagram, and those who responded to surveys. Those who were merrily playing the game but not part of the conversational community didn't vote. As mentioned at the time, this list is used by us as an indication of interest if we're torn between what we want to create. Some of what's listed will never be made (for various reasons) but we thought you might be interested in seeing the most popular suggestions we've received.
We were, thank you for sharing it. It would of course be near impossible to create an accurate and representative list.
Germany being one of the three major countries (DE, UK, US) is almost not on the list. But there are a multitude of amazing German routes possible. They are especially versatile because they are not as siloed as the UK/US parts.
Hence my mention of bias - this is the community's list. If the community don't tell us what we want, we don't know to include it.
I certainly have seen posts with proposed German routes in the Suggestions forum. So the question is, what is the criteria for appearing on the front of this community list? Number of threads/posts/likes?
It is the amount of support something gets, yes. Ultimately you only need to appear on the list, how high up doesn't really matter - if we're looking for a German route to consider we'll find one that has more support than others. We won't decide not to do a German route simply because there are a dozen UK routes with more "votes".
How about the Portland Trimet Max? It has five routes: Blue, Orange, Yellow, Green, and Red. Blue goes from Hillsboro, Oregon To Portland City Center and then to Gresham, Oregon. Orange line from Milwaukie Oregon to Portland City Center. Yellow Line is from the Portland Expo Center to the Portland City Center and terminates at PSU (Portland State University). Green Line: Clackamas Town Center in Clackamas Oregon to Portland City Center and then Terminates at Portland State University. Red Line: Hillsboro Airport to Beaverton Transit Center and terminates at PDX (Portland International Airport). There are way more stops between those on all Five routes. you can see more Data about the Trimet Max system on their Website @https://trimet.org/max/ they also sometimes have Closures of part of the Routes like a few months ago they had Part of the Red Line Gateway Transit Center to PDX closed so a Shuttle bus was needed to take Passengers going there and back. But please make this and I would be happy because I am from Beaverton and I was Raised on the Max. Trimet has 5 different Trains they use on all of their Routes from Type 1, Type 2, Type 3, Type 4, and type 5. The type1s will be replaced by the Type 6 shortly later this year. they have some testing on the Red Line. So if you Ever go to the US again try Portland you might like it there is now much to do.
anything involving Wien Hbf, both overground and underground platforms, plus Stammstrecke from Meidling to Floridsdorf + sth from Nahverkehr Ostregion (to St.Polten, Wiener Neustadt or sth else), and possibly OBB 4744/4746/4748 aka Desiro ML, gets my vote
A thread bump for sure, but I never knew that this list existed! Interesting to see what has actually made it to TSW...
UPDATE - Suggestions that made it… 45) Any Swiss route DONE 45) Any Austrian Route DONE 45) Cajon Pass DONE 45) london-Edinburgh 45) Any Indian Route 45) North Wales Coastal 45) Orient Express 45) Semmeringbahn DONE 45) Severn Valley Railway 40) Fife Circle DONE 40) Great Eastern Mainline 40) Horseshoe Curve DONE 40) The Hudson Line 40) Isle of Wight DONE 37) Settle-Carlisle 37) Any Eurostar Route 37) London-Peterborough 33) Tyne Wear Metro 33) Any French Route DONE 33) Any Route that hits Chicago 33) The Cambrian Coast Route 29) A Berlin route 29) A LGV route DONE 29) Merseyrail 29) New Zealand Route 25) A Norfolk Southern (US) route DONE 25) London-Norwich 25) Long Island Railroad extension DONE 25) Gotthard line 23) Any Scottish Route DONE DONE DONE 23) Sherman Hill DONE 22) Marias Pass 19) A Canadian Route DONE 19) South Western Main Line (UK) 19) West Highland Line 18) Any Japanese Route COMING 17) Any Italian Route 16) London-Brighton DONE 13) Riviera Line (UK) 13) North Eastern Corridor (US) DONE 13) London-Birmingham 12) Metronorth DONE 9) NYC Subway 9) Midland Mainline (UK) DONE 9) Edinburgh-Glasgow DONE 8) London-Portsmouth 7) Pacific Surfliner 6) Liverpool to Manchester 5) Anything in the Netherlands COMING 4) Any underground route DONE 3) Anything in Australia 2) East Coast Main Line DONE 1) West Coast Main Line DONE and DONE
Interesting piece of history this thread is. 4 years after, it seems completely put out of context to our modern suggestion system, however in comparison to it allows an immediate view on what's requested more than another one. I suppose back in 2020, the suggestion forum didn't exist. But how were routes requested (to be included in that list) back then? I saw they gathered information from social media. But how did that work exactly? Are there any more information about how this list has been collected and entries have been listed (f.e. number of requests, geographic spread of the participants around the world, etc.)? DTG Protagonist also "has left the building" on Dec 8, 2023 to quote his profile. Going by some comments, it seems to be the Sam I heard a lot about in this forum. Especially regarding the Preservation Crew.
I think it did. I’m pretty sure it’s been here as long as I can remember and I was around for this. As I recall, it was literally an insight into the information DTG had gathered across the suggestions forum (+ social media, apparently). Yes, that’s Sam. He truly was of a different calibre. His streams were honest, blunt, and to the point instead of the far more marketing and PR oriented streams of today (no offence to all the community managers just doing their job). His decades-long establishment in the game industry just allowed him to approach his role differently than someone starting out or only some years in.
The suggestions forum was very much a thing in 2020! If I remember correctly then this list was formed from that year’s Train Sim World 2 player survey. The end of each TSW survey asks one simple question: What’s your most wanted route for TSW? This list compiled all the answers to that one question. EDIT: No. I’m wrong. They added up all the suggestion from the forums and various social medias. By the way since it hasn’t been linked it this thread at all, this is the stream that has been being referenced! Sam starts talking about the list 26 minutes in. https://www.youtube.com/live/moJO8yXrAjQ?si=JoQTme1YQLXv_1tQ
Should DTG make another Top 50 most requested routes list since it's already 4 years when the last one was released?
Yes definitely it's almost sad as well even after all this time a few of these haven't been added in, instead we got a Wagon pack.
