Info Br101 Expert: Some Clarification

The rain droplet on window bug is on our list, we found out today whats causing it and it will be fixed.

 

same occurs with snow

 

Snow or rain makes no difference there its the same system

 

Hey cwf.green is the cab-car compatible with ÖBB 1116?

 

hope dtg can push the same fix to the DRA 442 and any other train which had the same issue for years.

 

Check post #186 of this thread:
https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/br101-expert-some-clarification.83254/page-4#post-872590

 

thank you

 

With any respect, its absolutely okay to criticise things like this at this price tag. I think its more important to note that those bugs are already on TSGs List (as stated in your Stream) and that they actively working on fixing those things.

"Just dont buy it then" doesn't really help any site i recon, its maybe the first time since years on tsw where i feel like actually promoting a dlc bevause its that good. But i wanna take some time to make a greater feedback post (and to simply enjoy this mashine)

 

So I got a fault (LSS 35F03 Lüfter) which is just a "continue driving" fault according to the manual, but I can find no more details on it in the manual. I'm guessing lüfter means "air" or "fan" or something along those lines, but I'm not sure exactly what has failed. The fault/CB number only appears once in the manual and that's to tell me I can continue driving, so I'm hoping to learn exactly what might have happened.

If it's any help, I am driving from Reisa to Dresden and was slowing from 160km/h to 120km/h at the end of the IC track, and I did this with only electronic brake. It was during this braking that the fault appeared.

EDIT: After I stopped a Neustadt, I went into the engine room and 35F03 is indeed open, and was labelled "fans" in English. I tried the reset as per the V=0 instructions but this failed. Luckily, this is a "continue driving" fault. I'm still very curious as to what exactly has failed - is it all fans??

 

I have to say this DLC is a brilliant study sim, especially to have something like this at this level on a console.

I'm just sinking my teeth into this last night and there is so much more to it than I could have hoped or thought possible.

One question I do have, are the IC coaches a complety different class as I noticed that the bogies design on the new ones are very different than the bogies on the existing IC coaches. The yaw damper configuration alone is a big give away.

 

As SKA has been mentioned before: I'm working on my own timetable for Cologne-Aachen and it includes one special IC service that requires the Linke Rheinstrecke with 103 and heritage IC coaches. But substitution for DB Intercity (or similar) on the loco is activated. So it is possible to use the normal 101 or the expert 101 if it has the same geographic region set up but only in non-expert mode.

No promises but maybe there is room for another special IC service (or even roundtrip) using the expert 101 with expert coaches. But I would need that DLC first and it needs to fit which is getting difficult with all the regular scheduled services.

 

With the original 101 and the ICEs, we had two different methods for resuming AFB after LZB ends:

In the ICEs, here are the steps to follow:
When the Ende warning comes on press PZB release in the cab or End on the keyboard. When you leave LZB control, AFB becomes non-functional. You can just leave it where it is. Or, if you want to reset it, just quickly take it down to zero and back up to track speed and it should be reset.

Resetting AFB in the original 101 is a bit more complicated after the Ende warning:
When LZB supervision ends, zero the throttle, turn AFB off, put AFB on the max speed setting, and then turn AFB back on again. You can then throttle up.

Are both practices prototypical? Which method works in the Expert 101?

Thanks for an amazing DLC. From window fog, to the engine room, to the awesome sounds, this is a level of immersion I thought I could never reach on a PC!

 

as far as I remember, old BR 101 had the prototypical way of AFB reset, played it a couple times on Kassel Wurzburg, as well as that one service on Koln Aachen.. also, the new 101 Expert has the prototypical AFB reset, played it a couple days ago

 

to be more precise, when you put AFB to zero, you should wait like 3 seconds before bringing it back to desired speed, as far as I know

 

No!

You have three seconds while the AFB is "blind" - if you wait longer the train will read the lever position again and start braking (as it will be zero), which is not what you want when needing to reset the AFB on LZB exit.

 

oh, right but I was right about original BR 101 having the prototypical AFB reset after LZB to PZB transition?

 

I believe Lamplight brought this one into the discussion as being prototypical, and I have been using that one ever since on all applicable locos, so much simpler and faster to do when moving I believe the original 101 had the non-prototypical one at first but later (I think also thanks to him), they changed it to prototypical... will have to check later today

 

I have just done that one service on Koln Aachen with BR 101 (sandwich formation)... there you release shortly before Koln Hbf... and guess what the prototypical AFB reset works

 

so if it substitutes, then it substitutes completely with the new IC coaches? I mean, all expert stuff on those 5 routes works/is fully simulated?

 

On Salzburg and Dresden the compied expert timetable includes the entire expert vehicles. (Wagons, cabcar + 101)

The other routes included substitution of the 101 loco, but the coaches remain standard.

I really hope tsg thinks about an update in terms of timetables. I can live with a separate timetable, but currently its only for 2 routes. Just subbing the loco is ok, but the entire set would be great on all routes

 

I'm more worried about wanting to complete journeys or timetables that I'll be forced to the old timetable (SKA for example is all on the pre new journeys expansion same for the fife circle being on the old timetable) sure it duplicates all you drove at release but I don't think it will after

Edit: after doing a couple services I noticed whatever I complete on the expert timetable carries over to the original one. amazing

 

Duplicating the timetable means making an entire new timetable with simulating it and all. They probably have access to the existing timetable blueprint and don't have to start from scratch but this is by no means an automatic thing.

 

I was able to test the original 101 and the Expert 101 and both will now let you reset AFB by just taking it down to zero and bringing it back up to the desired speed.

One thing I particularly loved about the original 101 was that enabling the electric brake in isolation under LZB would temporarily disable AFB. This allows you to run your own braking curve and will even let you fall behind the calculated curve for a while. This is a feature put in by cwf.green in a massive (and free!) update after release.

This wonderful feature also seems to be present in the Expert 101. It allowed me to get in some trouble when I didn't slow fast enough. Eventually, LZB had to, as we say in the US, "dynamite" the train by deploying the emergency brake. Great fun. I was also in the unusual situation of then being under restricted monitoring while under LZB control.

How I love these wonderful details. The 101 is full of them!

 

The primary braking input is over the drivers brake valve / electric brake. Using the afB Vsoll lever to slow down a train is possible, but meh..

 

ooh ok, if it is so, then that explains why on Kassel Wurzburg I was able to release after Sifa Zwangsbremsung when I was testing before... but then, I checked kinda, and those levers on the underside of the wagons are there - have they been there also on "old" IC coaches?

I mean, I would hope for a clarification on this by cwf.green or so... and if it is like you say, then sure, I would love to have both locos and wagons substitute on routes

 

The brake equipment was also there on the old coaches (pgr, venting A chamber, lever for turning off the brake system).

The expert coaches have the battery system and a lot of other things which are not simulated in the standard coaches. Also the way the UIC cable is communicating, was extended alot.

Related to timetables of this dlc, Its not just the "older" routes, the primary 101 will remain the non expert even in upcoming new german routes, which is 1 step forward and 5 steps back to say it straight..

Spending time in the substitution core when there were less dlc would have been the best. TSW has other absurd situations. For example the 185.2 DB red, which was introduced on vorarlberg was basicly a rebranded copy of the Railpool from tharandter ramp. There it was reported the brake indicators outside dont work
In the meantime there are 3-4 versions of the same 185 which all share the same bug, which is getting spreaded along the dlcs which include this loco.

 

I hope then that BR 101 Expert gets extended to more routes, but also with coaches I love how the new brakes behave and such and kinda digging the calculations you have to do before almost each run

edit: as for the brakes, when doing major speed reductions, sometimes you would have to go almost full application on old 101... now since also the coaches are doing the work and the loco is improved, I rarely go below notch 2 or 3 (only sometimes when I lose focus and panic )

 

This dlc definetly deserves to get added in future routes.

You can use precalculated formation data, so you dont have to run around the train at the begin of every service. (You can calculate the cab car formation from 5 to 14 car, same for sandwich formation.

This way the brake calculation only changes when towing or with defects. Safes a lot of time.

 

TSW really has a wonky way of doing DLC. Because they tie some locos/stock to routes, that means if they want something like the 185 to appear on a new route even for people that don't have it from another DLC, they have to include it with the new DLC. That has led us to the crazy situation where many locos and stock are getting endlessly duplicated (great examples being the Class 66 EWR, 185 DB, and of course the Dostos).

This makes for some really wonky issues like multiple units having the same bugs (where instead of just fixing the bug once they need to fix it 5 times), or where they all have different bugs and you pretty much need to keep a spreadsheet going to keep track of which ones have what bugs.

It would make waaaaay more sense if they just included every train and coach/wagon in the core game. They could lock them behind a paywall for people that don't buy the DLC, but at least that way they could keep the duplication to a minimum and make the confusion for us and work for them a lot more streamlined.

Locos are only a few hundred mb so it wouldn't make the game crazy massive either. Bigger than it is today but smaller than many games. It might even make the game smaller for some people since it would remove multiple copies of the same stock. The routes themselves could be separate downloads but keep the stock in core.

 

TSW as a new franchais was The perfect opportunity for a solid core. Now its too late the way the dlc system is built.

 

I've been saying this for a while, and others before us probably for way longer still, but alas the answer always is that so far it's been done this way and now they're too deep into it for it to be possible to rethink\rework the system. Or at least, without a massive quantity of gratis and thankless development time, which makes sense to say. The list of silliness sadly keeps expanding in the meantime, but as they release newer stock and focus on that every few months, the older just gets forgotten, so it's no problem /s.
Hopefully the suggestion is kept in mind for the next iteration of train sim whatever they decide to call it (the successor to TSW).

But sorry, we're going off-topic here.

 

question: Is there a fault for the fault screen to stop working?

I just drove the IC2083/2085 on Kassel to Würzburg. had the radar die on me on the way to Fulda. LZB detection was down to 3km in advance. flipped the LSS at the station and since it didn't fix anything I called the FDL through the GSM-R to simulate saying my radar is dead, not sure if I should've but I did. walked around the train a bit, as I returned to my seat from the gangway. the main breaker died. nothing on the screen. so after turning off and on the HS I got to driving again. but till Würzburg it kept screaming Störung at me. is that a bug or should I have restarted the whole train to try and fix the screen?

 

Is BR 101 expert going to layer on new TSW5’s route Frankfurt to Fulda route or are the Intercity services operated by Flixtrain there in real life?

 

The FLX 11 line should drive on the route but those trains only stop in Kassel and Frankfurt (Süd) without a stop in Fulda.

 

Are there any plans to bring conductor's mode to any BR 101 services?

 

Hello. I ask knowledgeable people to answer: is BR 101 Expert compatible with freight cars from German routes? And what are the approximate names of freight cars in the editor?

I would also like to understand how to calculate BRH for freight trains. I don't have any information about the mass of loaded wagons.

 

Yes! Wagons don't have any electrics or data cables or anything else that the Expert 101 could be incompatible with.

Not sure what you mean here.

You can look at the load's Data Asset, which will include how much "1 unit" of the load weighs. How many units of the load a wagon carries (and thus, how heavy the load is) is specified in the Formation Data Asset.

 

Thank you very much! I suspected this too, but decided to check just in case.

But here I didn’t understand anything.

 

Then you might want to look into tutorials for how to make Gameplay in the Editor, as these are some pretty basic concepts that you will need to know about. There are very good tutorials out there that can get you started, and if you get stuck somewhere, you can always ask on the Editor subform.

 

Manuals in English, that's not what I want. But apparently I have no choice. Although in the train editor there is no cargo management for freight cars, I checked. There all cars are empty, which is very sad. I thought that I would be able to create trains with loaded cars.

 

Does anyone know where the brake weight for modes G and P is located on the "DB Zacns", "Habbiins" and "KWG Eanos VTG" freight wagons? Or how to correctly calculate the ZDE for a BR 101 Expert with freight wagons?

 

Hi all. I looked for a while but couldn't really find an answer. I apologize if I missed it.

I have no interest in Expert Mode. I got this for not having to get out of the loco when changing cabs and of course for the cab car.
I do though drive with PZB regularly. And, after a lot of frustration, I figured out how to drive this in Expert mode with PZB and turn the fault simulation off.

But is there a way to turn the PZB on in non-expert mode?

 

Yes. You need to go into the machine room and close the LZB/PZB Main Circuit Breaker (going off my memory, but I think that is what we named it - "LSS LZB/PZB Hauptschalter") and then walk to the air/brake section and open the LZB/PZB Cut-Off Valve. Do it in this order since otherwise you'll get a penalty brake application as soon as you close the circuit breaker. The circuit breaker controls the electrics of the system (powers it on or off) while the air valve is controlling whether the safety system can vent the brake pipe. There are also PZB and LZB fault isolation buttons on the ZDE panel. These are what drivers mainly use if either system needs to be cut out, it won't vent the brake pipe but it will still provide some very basic protection (100 km/h speed limit is still enforced).

Note that in Normal mode the ZDE is already preset to values appropriate for standard IC trains, if you want that to be reset to the basic data mode (Grunddaten) you can cycle the ZDE Voltage Source switch or cycle the LZB/PZB circuit breaker (Open -> Closed -> Open -> Closed) iirc.

If you want to turn on Sifa you set the Sifa isolation switch to the normal position, in the machine room (it's at the end of the circuit breaker panel, beside the ZDE Voltage Source switch) and then open the Sifa isolation valve on the air module. There is also a circuit breaker that needs to be closed (working similarly to the LZB/PZB main circuit breaker) but that is closed by default in both Expert and Normal mode.

 

Thank you for your detailed response.

Edit: Never mind, found it eventually. Is really well hidden and I couldn't find it in the manual or the diagram.

 

I think it is here:

 

That was fast. Thank you.
As I said, I did find it by now. Took me only 30mins. The picture would've been helpful

Now I can't find the SIFA breaker. I got the valve, and all breakers seem to be on....
Edit: I feel stupid. It's UNDER the breaekers.

Thank you.

Edit: Comment: It's way more work to turn PZB/SIFA on in non-expert mode than expert. Would've been nice if CTRL/SHIFT-ENTER worked...

 

Guys, I really need this information to add freight cars to my ZDE calculator. Please answer how to calculate BRH for freight cars.

 

Thank you again so much for your help guys.

One more question: How do I move the power lever in the cab car into the percentage area with the KEYBOARD? Thanks!

 

There are two ways to go about it:
1. Use the mouse or analog "grab and drag" mechanism on a gamepad (it overrides the "wall")
2. Use keybinds to throttle up until you hit the wall, then double press "throttle up" and you'll go through it. If you have driven the Vectron, it uses the same logic (but on the Vectron the wall is for the direct brake lever).

The reason why the wall is there is because the real lever on the cab car does not have a detent in "Ab" (throttle up) so without that wall you'd never be able to use the tap changer mode like IRL, and the tap changer mode is more fun imo so I wanted it to be viable. There will be a setting in the sim control page in the upcoming patch that allows you to disable this logic.

 

Thanks.
But 1. with mouse is what I do now and I don't like it. I mostly use my keyboard to play.
And 2. Is exactly the issue, because it doesn't work. It will not go through for me, not matter, how often, long or short I press "A" on my keyboard. Also, it always springs back from "UP" into "HOLD".
I understand why the "wall" is there, I just can't overcome it (with keyboard)

Edit:
Okay, I figured it out.
You got to hold "A" in "UP" for a short bit, then let go and very QUICKLY press and hold "A" again. A little different from just pressing it twice, though technically correct. Thanks.