Upcoming Release Cardiff City Network - Coming Soon!

Let's have a preview on consoles please or at least honest feedback and answers for whether there will be
Blurry textures
Low fps
Z fighting
Decent draw distance

Whoever does the stream when it comes to it should have these answers to hand, even a bit of prerecorded footage they could show us.

 

That ballast. The same seen on WCML South…

this is a clear indication of rivet games activity.

 

Thank you Jamie. Good to hear it will release on Tuesday 18th March.

Mr Southern Driver, l hope there is no Rivet involvement or l won’t be buying it until it’s on a decent sale price.

 

Shame you couldn't hear the engine sounds properly over the TSW music.
However, it doesn't look too bad but will wait for preview streams.

 

Yup. Looking forward for this.

 

JD has confirmed that the 150/2 has had its sounds updated. Very good. Those WCL sounds were horrific.

 

Here’s hoping it’s awesome

 

this has me worried…I’m getting real WCML South vibes from this picture alone. Looks familiar with rivets routes, Not a good look.

 

This just looks like the standard ballast DTG always use?

 

sounds the same as the old class 150 to me when seeing the preview i hope that is not the case the old sounds were horrible


edit: seen the preview again new sounds my arse that sounds like the old class 150 for sure

 

What are the lengths of the runs.

Where do they run from/ to? Stupid question maybe.

Max speed limit?

 

Tbf Rivet used AP sounds and I imagine DTG would’ve kept those

 

it still sounds horrible but to be fair to DTG it might be an old trailer before they updated the sounds we will see in the preview stream

 

This doesn't look promising at all, the textures look dodgy some are even replicating to what we saw in WCML and an art style produced by a certain third party developer. Hearing the Class 150 sounding almost exactly the same as WCL is enough to cancel my first day purchase. It's a shame I was looking forward to the route and loved the route concept, but is once again plagued by DTG's incompetence.

 

Exactly this. It’s all good showing us the preview on a high spec PC, but it is often completely not a representation of what console players experience.

Please arrange some form of preview for Consoles

 

The issue with the sounds was down to how the 150 was scripted, so you got the wrong sounds at the wrong time.

 

An EXTREMELY strange route in everything, I don't want to take it..

 

I wonder if this new 150/2 will replace the current 150 on west summerset?

 

no probably not

 

Don’t get me wrong, it’s not a bad route, but somethings in the water about it, doesn’t feel quite right.

 

It is a Rivet route.
US bus in CH colours on a UK route?
The bus, which Rivet used on all the Swiss routes, despite (for Switzerland) the doors on the wrong side.
This route is 100% Rivet

 

What on earth is this..?

 

Sadly, it is starting to look like

I was really hoping, it was not.

 

well not a day one purchase for me its obvious its rivet games the class 150 sounds and the map textures gives it away DTG is releasing rivet games DLC in incognito

 

This. It wasn’t the sounds, it was how they were mixed.

 

JD said it was new sounds yeah right its new sounds

 

So just because there's a few things, it's automatically 100% a rivet route?

 

The sounds on the wcl 150 were from armstrong. The issue was the physics

 

id say more sound mix problem and physics

 

So, Cardiff Central sees about 20 transport for wales services an hour on average so that's about 400 services (including AI but not ECS movements) a day. How many do people think we'll get?

If it's a real timetable I would guess we should get 200 playable with 100-ish in or out of depot moves plus 10-20 short freight services so 310-ish? What's the betting it's about 75?

 

DTG do need to answer the question of Rivet involvement imo. There needs to be some trust built back up between them and the customer base.

I want to like this route and I want to buy it but there are alarm bells ringing for me as well. Some of the video seemed quite choppy/laggy? I'm not a fan of having to buy WCMLS for the freight layers either (I steered clear of that with the state its in).

I want to like this, it's a DMU route in Wales! It ticks the boxes! But I'm just not convinced as of yet. Will have to see what happens in the roadmap stream and the preview stream honestly

 

Article above says around 500 playable! Decent.

 

attention! this is not a test, rivet games dlc disguised as dtg dlc

 

That’s me out then. No confidence whatsoever in anything Rivet produces.

I remember an atrocious delivery company called White Arrow, they were so bad they changed their name to Hermes because of the bad publicity. They were just as bad as before so they changed their name again to Evri and they are still bad. Rivet appear to be doing something similar. Closed their forum down and if they are working under the umbrella of DTG, they are going to pull down DTGs reputation as well.

l have said it before that Rivet should stop producing new routes until they have corrected all their appalling work, starting with WCL. Make St Ives and Penzance look realistic from their fantasy effort and they may earn my respect if they do a good job, until then, l have no confidence in Rivet producing a good accurate and realistic offering.

 

If the class 153 units use the same sounds id laugh

 

I will wait for the preview stream before I make judgement

 

Despite outside Pullman’s being quite bare, the general feeling of Cardiff (particularly around Central and QS North Jn) isn’t bad at all! I could easily recognise the locations featured in the first look. Nice to see some foliage in the four-foot at Coryton, not convinced on the overly bright platform texturing though. Heath High Level looks good as far as I’m concerned from the article, nice to see its inclusion.

One thing that slightly worries me are the sounds on the 150. Particularly at 0:37, departing the Bay. Sounds identical to Rivet’s WCL example, even down to the dreary flange squeal (unless my ears deceive me, I can hear upon the departure?)

There’s no mention in the article that the sounds have been tweaked (except from door sounds to fit new animations.) Nor any mention about updated physics, which we all know Rivet’s original 150 is in dire need of.

Makes me wonder, if DTG have gone to the effort of updating suspension, animating brake block application etc, surely it wouldn’t be a massive ask to improve the physics!

 

Cab TSW vs IRL

 

1. I love the route and all of the Branch lines. Same with the rolling stock.

2. I am really worried about sounds. I hope they have changed to sounds.

3. It better not be a Rivet product (in the current state they make their routes) their sounds are awful and sounds are definitely a main selling point, especially for DMUs

4. I really want it to be a good route as I love DMUs and would love it to be a Day 1 purchase but with the current uncertainty, I just can't.

 

Looks like that’s £30 won’t be leaving my Steam Wallet then.

I am now seriously beginning to wonder if DTG have any in house route builders at all on their books and are now 100% reliant on second and third party outsourcing.

As regards the route itself, well I still maintain the scope should still have included Barry Island and at least one of the lines down to the Heads Of The Valleys, Rhymney, Merthyr or Treherbert.

Disappointing if the 150 sound and physics are little different to WCL the more so as these probably aliased over to the 153 as well.

 

I thought DTG learnt their lesson with rivet, with WCML S


Clearly not. This is just going to be another plain, barebones route with a Magna Carta of bugs. Like Jesus do they even have any UK Route builders at DTG right now?

oh wait. They are all working on Thomas right now…


I understand time constraints, but maybe don’t employ a third party, known for their bad quality, to do a route for you? It’s like getting those cardboard cutout police men and thinking they’ll scare away the shoplifters…

 

Matt said multiple times on his Charity Streams that the sounds are still the AP ones, that have been re-mixed, that there are no newly recorded sounds.

 

I hope not about the sounds I just can't use the 150 on WCL because of the state it's in but judging by this it's gone the same way which is very disappointing

 

Concerned, very concerned about the stuff that has been said about rivet and their involvement if so. Needs definitely challenged

 

where's the clutter and vegetation?

 

Tidy

 

From the picture of Penarth station, it’s reproduction to real life looks pretty good to be fair by checking it using google earth.

However as l said before if Rivet are involved, l will only buy it in a low price Steam sale. DTG should have released this before Mildmay as Joannes has done a fair job and this is by far worth the money spent. I think customers will happily play this until Cardiff is in a sale.

 

Well, console players are probably more offput by Mildmay & then there’s people that would rather drive a DMU than an electrostar.

I think there’s definitely a point for DTG to be more open about who’s actually making what we’re buying, but on the other hand Rivet has done good work in a second party role before (not saying they always do).

For this route I think we can all mostly say we’re used to a higher standard of detail on compact lines, so that will certainly be looked for.

The 150 was given scathing reviews when it originally released so I’d be very surprised to see no remarkable improvements. Again though people are getting hungup on the raw sounds, which in themselves are good - it was the simugraph setup & sound mixing implemented with it that was the issue.

 

I agree about your comment “For this route I think we can all mostly say we’re used to a higher standard of detail on compact lines, so that will certainly be looked for.”The bar has been raised by the two Just Trains routes and Johannes recent one man effort, that l cannot see Rivet ever meeting these standards. Although l doubt it, but if they can reach a higher standard, they should firstly show the community with a revamp of WCL. Until they do that, they don’t score for any credibility in my book!!! Leaving so much of their past work uncompleted is totally unacceptable.