Hopefully we’ll get some more info on this tomorrow or Thursday as the roadmap did say we’d get more info later in the week
Sorry to ask as I'm not familiar with that area, but why is Heath High Level such a gamechanger? Are any services terminating there or is it just another through-station?
No need to apologise mate! The high level station wasn’t listed as included on the original route map a while back. Several of us bemoaned it as it’s adjacent to the low level station which is to be included. Based on the network that the developers chose, it meant that some services would end up being way shorter than potentially possible, if they had included the high level station. Same with Cogan too. It just made sense to add them as they were so close to the lines you could drive on, and that they were probably modelled and visible, that opening them up gives an additional double unique end point on this city network style route. It was shortsighted to not include them, but they’ve realised the value they would bring and have since decided to add them.
Just watched the first look video just put on YouTube. The gameplay/video looked a bit laggy to me in places? Didn't look like amazing frame rate? And also not particularly thrilled on need WCMLS for freight traffic? As I've avoided that one with a barge pole after all the feedback. Apart from that to my eye it looks like a nice route! Although I'll let people with more knowledge comment on the DMUs
You do realise the rivet 150 sounds were originally sourced from AP? They may be mixed differently with a physics upgrade.
Hope the stream shows it in more detail…. The preview really doesn’t look great. IIRC rivet sounds aren’t the worst, but the sounds were linked to physics? We will see how it actually turns out… Concerning lack of LOD. Looks like it’s supposed to be canton….? 6/10 based on the video IMO. Really wanted to pick this up on release…. Depending on how the stream goes, I’m seriously considering waiting it out until TSW6 and then subsequently a big sale…
one reason i was really vocal about Heath High Level being included after initially hearing it wasn't, is that it not only adds another end point to this route, but it also opens up the option to drive this section of the route without always having to go up and down the Coryton line in order to access it. the Coryton line is essentially a perfect straight line with stops every 0.25-0.5 miles, which would get rather boring and repetitive if you always had to go up and down that line. by adding Heath High Level, you can now arrive and depart Cardiff QS on the north line, but without the need to always do the rather mundane bus-stop style stop start driving. don't get me wrong i've nothing against the Coryton branch and look forward to driving it myself, but this is the reason i was so adamant Heath High Level needed to be included.. and credit where it's due DTG have gone and included it which in my view, even though it may seem minor and only add one station and maybe 200m of driveable track, will massively increase long term replayability
Yes I’m well aware of that. Past history with WCL would indicate no update will be incoming. This release would have been the prime opportunity to do so and they haven’t
Sounds like the rivet 150 in that short trailer which is a worry cause i just can't use it in that state but I will wait for the preview stream to see how that goes
?You don't fully know that for sure though do you. Very odd behaviour. They will have created a new physics/sound model for the 153 and hopefully used that
No it’s not odd behaviour and don’t attempt to gaslight me. The sound of the unit accelerating at the end of the video is very obviously the Rivet 150 WCL sound
I agree with Railworks that they are WCL sounds for sure its obvious the have not been remixed sure they are AP sounds but it still sounds awful and poorly mixed the work of Rivet Games
+1 Obviously the proof will be in the preview stream and if the inevitable questions get an honest answer, but it looks as if this route very much plucks the low hanging fruit again to entice £30 out of our pockets.
Probably best waiting to see the Preview stream first but if it turns out to be the same sounds as WCL then surely to god DTG would have known this will upset a lot of people… Can’t they remix the sounds themselves ???. That’s going to be a pretty big letdown. There was a perfect opportunity right there and looks like it’s going to go to waste.
As I said above - as long as the quality is there the Rivet detail wouldn’t matter to me. But this video has raised more questions than it answers. Onward to the livestream, eh?
Exactly this. As usual a certain few rivet bashers with their underwear in a twist when the full facts aren't in front of us.
to be fair we do have a right to Bash Rivet their quality is quite questionable at the very best they need to earn our respect back for sure
Rivet bashers wouldn't be Rivet bashers if Rivet took on board constructive criticism and put more effort into post release support, quality control and community interaction
That's the problem with Rivet the quality remains the same and remains consistently bad... The only thing going for them is the 3D modelling side of things. But outside of that it is abysmal from physics, to the scenary and timetable. The "I don't care who built it" attitude should only apply to developers who can produce quality products. I've already made my mind up on this one as I've said in previous comments if people are interested. The stream shall be the nail in the coffin I predict and I expect the blunt "Yes" or "No" answers to questions surrounding it's quality or future fixes. A behaviour from Jasper that seems to be making its way to DTG when any valid concerns arise. Time will tell, but I predict my theories won't be to far from the truth.
JD and Matt have come out at various points and said the Cl. 150 sounds have been remixed. I don't get why you can't take that for what it is? The sounds aren't bad necessarily they were perhaps set up incorrectly for WCL.
Clearly you haven't see Rivets routes the only good one they've done is IOW 2022 WCL is a shambles it's had hardly any updates Fife Circle isn't bad but still needs more doing so I think people have a right to criticise especially when they pay quite alot of money for unfinished product
Well the proof is plain to see, seemingly not just in my opinion but also others here and a lot of commentors on the preview. Interesting how you’re so intent to insist I’m wrong though isn’t it?
I really love networks so i want this to be good!!! The Rivet 150 makes me really nervous though. It mentions they added the new suspension system, so hopefully that means they've done an overall pass on the physics- if not, and the sounds are untouched, oooooh boy this forum is going to melt down! How many services would be run just by the 153 (assuming it's up to current standards)- if i can still drive most of the services i could probably live with the 150 as AI-only.
we dont have tunnel vision what we been told and what we know is two separate things do you really belive we take DTG's word for granted given their past history
Exactly. Plus we are not talking cheap here either. DTG are asking £30 for a short route with, it now appears, only one new train the other a rebuild/reskin and the potential of dubious sound and physics hanging over both. Hate to put the tinfoil hat on but maybe the choice of route was deliberate in that there will be very little opportunity to get either unit above about 40MPH and thus judge the full range of physics and sounds. That appalling flange squeal from the 150 on WCL still makes me squirm.
Only one way to test this - buy - use the 150 on a different route in free roam and then… refund and wait until it’s fixed.
Well having refunded several items on Steam lately probably on the verge of getting a “yellow card” if I do it again so quickly, so will have to take it on advisement from others. A shame as having been a Wales and West/ATW Duty Control Manager from 1994 to 2006 (and prior to that largely doing the Provincial Desk in the old BR Swindon Control from 1989), this was content I was particularly interested in.
Some contributions on this forum dear god... I honestly think some pray for the downfall of DLC just for the opportunity to bash. There's nothing constructive. Wait to the preview stream or even tonight's roadmap stream.
All of these comments are because people want it to be good. The pessimism is because of what happened last time everyone was excited for a 150 in the game
Same here being a mainline guard and having grown up on the valleys network…. I feel you though. I really hope they answer some questions in the stream.
Not watched the video as it's not a route I'm really interested in. If they haven't previewed the full running sounds of the 150 then perhaps that tells you everything!
stop being over dramatic we have an opinion like you have yours as I said before we have the right to criticise when we see poor quality we are the consumer and we vote with our wallets
Seem as though a few have already started that meltdown process... I'd say we're at phase one; everyone's sitting on the edge of their seat, just waiting for the preview stream so they can either continue with the meltdown, or accept defeat and admit the sounds ARE good.. or at least better. Now I have to admit, I do REALLY hope the sounds have been reworked as they were, admittedly, horrendous - and I will be massively disappointed if they haven't. But as of now I can't really tell what the sounds will be like, so; I'm keeping my mouth shut and I'm not gonna complain about the sounds, and the sounds we've not yet properly heard, keep in mind.
I think people are rightly concerned because of WCMLS situation and it still being left somewhat in limbo, no matter what promises were made and customers do not want this for this route, which if done right would be an incredibly good route. Much like WCMLS, E2G, or FCL, all have HUGE potential? Fill in the blanks as to why they are not. I don't think anyone is wanting the downfall of DLC, but quite the opposite, for it to remain consistent and fairly decent. I do think however they are getting sick and tired of feedback not being listened to concerning particular developers who it seems (and only my guess) are producing these routes... Is that not frustrating? At this stage DTG will only be damaging their own reputation so on there heads be it... I'm not forking out £30 for the reasons given so I guess it won't affect me directly. However it does shape the future of this game. Nothing has been revealed officially but the hallmarks are there... The preview shall reveal all so until then I think that's the last of what I can say or add at this point. So let's just sit back and let it reveal itself. Will it be "I told you so!" moment for people on my side of the fence? I think it may well be.
Cardiff Mainline/ Valleys/ VOG Signaller here! For me, I just hope this will do such a personal route it’s justice.
I really hope the stream answers questions… p.s. please stop putting early freight in front! Jk of course
still waiting for that day when the sounds are better but we aren't any closer to improvement just hoping they have been remixed
Eh, I'll still get it. Might as well support more diesel routes even if it is a Rivet thing. There's too many electric ones. At least I know what I'll be getting myself into. Fife Circle isn't too bad of a route (a lot better than their previous attempts but not perfect), so I'll at the very least expect this one to be similar quality.
Sound engineering makes all the difference. From my experience of recording music in a studio, you can take the most perfect recordings and still make a turkey of a track out of them. AP may take some authentic recordings but if you leave those recordings in the wrong hands, they can turn to mush in the final mix.
I quite enjoy Fife circle. By far my favourite so far, probably because I’ve worked the 170s before they got cascaded to EMR.
