Enough Is Enough!!! The Ongoing Saga!!! 3 Year Anniversary

Has anyone ever suggested Thomas on the suggestions part? Haven't looked but don't recall seeing amongst the daily WCML/ECML Scotrail and merseyrail present day requests. Not to mention those of us asking for older stuff. Obviously it was felt to be commercially viable when announced but yes it ain't half gone quiet.

 

Matt said they can't discuss Thomas without Mattels sign off on everything said.

Due to Mattels NDA he said on his charity stream.

Also how many other EP's are on forums?

Sure a Senior Producer should be but not an EP and once he became an EP its up to Senior Producers and Community Managers to advise him on whats happening on the forums.

Basically the forums are not his job anymore. And luckily he still does preview and roadmap streams.

What other EP is on streams monthly?

 

Every page until 145 will have a Pacer on it, I can already tell...

 

Then since 145 there will be three pages of Bombardier Traxx locos...

 

All well and good, but didn't stop the occasional past participation.

 

Maybe he's turned his attention less to the community, and more to the game?

Makes sense to me. Probably heard of the many issues people are having and trying to resolve them. Or maybe he's not at work currently, does have a life (presumably) that doesn't operate around his job.

 

I do hope so with the current state of the game. But the thing that worries me is the patches have been breaking things and performance has got worse since some of these patches have been released. I'm getting frame rate drop on GWE on series X of all places since the latest update.

 

They are plenty of new rolling stock coming

 

If many from the forums communicate with his wife she must have a pretty full inbox

 

Only the best aircraft grade aluminium hat for Vern you know

 

What is this, a train for ants

Go big or go home

 

You'll hate the Class 139...

 

They really do like their silly terminology... "fireside chat" "season of reveals" etc. I also laugh at their constant reference to the "teams" that are supposedly hard at work in DTG HQ designing and refining the product. Maybe they are silent now because they've realized doubling down on the feelgood euphemisms and cringy corporate-speak to paper over the flaws in the product is fooling no one and only serves to makes them look insincere.

 

The other one that has worn thin is passing problems or suggestions e.g. more save game slots to “engineering”. Visions of a huge department of programmers beavering away on code, when the reality is probably an email to a hacker in Romania or India bunging them £50 to see what they can do!!

 

You mean that if you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters then one of them would eventually produce the real reason why there has never been a Mk1 buffet so far?

 

Train Sim World 2 is on sale on Steam for $20

 

I must admit Incredible trains did kick ass by showing us a great stream tonight. I'm happy they've shown and delivered an amazing timetable and shown a lot of potential what routes can really entail shame we haven't got the extended route or release that we wanted how I believe this guy is speculating on the success of the release of the route and spend more time developing it. I guess this factor will come from popularity and how much the community requests it.

But I'm quite optimistic about this release, so fingers crossed it's done well.

 

So Rivet Games is looking for a junior world builder, I think they’re preparing something for TSW6 for their comeback. I’m really curious about the outcome of their attempt at making a DLC for the forever-game The Bus !

 

Junior world builder, full time job for an apprentice salary, since Rivet apparently regards itself as senior route builders?

 

the pictures of the three routes together looks really cool

I also notice the 378 livery is in the new livery, rather than the one seen on NLL

 

I can't see a salary mentioned, nor do companies tend to occupy roles within themselves, but, never the less, this is a chance for so many of you, with all your expertise, to get on the inside and show them how it's done. Principal route builder within weeks, I'm sure!

 

Is it a world-builder who is junior, or a person who builds junior worlds?

 

How junior do they need to be? I know a plucky 9 year old who could give it a go.

 

March Roadmap: CTRL + F + RailDriver = zero results

 

It actually should have said junior "water boiler for the tea run" but a few words were broken (and never fixed) before the ad was officially released and the sentence ended at an unnatural point in order to save time and resources

Not many people know this but they're actually called Riveting Gnomes but you know, broken words that never get fixed....

 

cant wait to see their next mess up.
depends... scotrail HST please rivet?

Anyway, a thing that i saw on the TSC server with the recent north london line add-on. Saw a lot of parts of a train becoming disloacted, plenty bugs found on trains, heard optimisation wise its bad because apparently it has the entire london in it.
Something something they chewed more than what they can chew. Here it is, we listen to fanboys and this is what we get. No offence to incredible trains but there is a reason why 3rd party developers like Rivet (as bad as they might be) even have a team behind their add-ons. This route should've been freed up from time constraint, proper game testing and might as well extend the route to make it more worth it. Anybody say people who bought the add on shouldn't complain just because its a single dev shouldn't be an excuse to be voided of any criticism (as much as how apparently the entirety of london was still modeled in and is good for exploration you normally cant even access these locations). Glad I didnt bought the route on day one.

 

Reminds me years ago of the guy who proclaimed he was going to do the entire ECML from Kings Cross to Edinburgh for MSTS in super detail (think he was called Rob something and went by the handle of “Going North” on the former UKTS forum). Quite apart from the small matter of the MSTS 2000 object per tile limit, most of that detail will be lost on whizzing by at 100 MPH plus, looking out the cab window. Needless to say after a couple of early WIP screenshots, the guy was never heard from again. I mean yes, conversely you have the Run 8 approach particularly on their South East routes where the scenery consists of a tree avenue alongside the track and bare terrain beyond.

Any route builder worth their salt knows optimisation is the name of the game. We are building a linear route, not a GTA or Fallout world area. Focus on what can be seen from the train, either the cab or side windows, maybe exterior view at ground level. But the wannabe helicopter pilots should not be the main focus when it comes to planning the scenery.

 

Hmm, not sure I agree with that. Yesterday I had a drive on the old Sand Patch. When I drive that or any route, I mostly use external cameras and frequently fly around or ahead of my train ( as Matt likes to do in streams ). Just sitting in the cab looking through front and side windows is very boring to me.

So being able to fly around and even go walkabout is a big part of the immersion for me. So route builders need to be nonlinear if they want my business. I need " the World " in Train Sim World.

 

I've driven a couple of routes on tsc where the scenery spans not that far from either side of the tracks, and it doesn't look the best in external camera view.

When I build routes I tend to place scenery as far as the camera can see or free camera can travel. I wouldn't say it taxes performance as the distant scenery is 2d low resolution.

 

Which is why there needs to be a compromise. Further out from the track you go for lower poly objects, you don’t replicate the detailed street layout just mix and match the buildings and trees. Think of a route as a movie set, where the art is in creating the illusion that people are on the middle of a large city or vast desert, rather than the studio backlot at Pinewood or Universal!

I haven’t bought NLL and don't really intend to but I can’t help get the feeling the author might have done a “Going North” with it and gone over the top with detailed scenery. Not the first time we have seen a TSW route author get carried away. Remember the first iteration of Sherman when hi poly 3D grass was plonked down on the terrain all the way to the horizon? That route required major surgery to get it running acceptably.

 

My train goodness why can’t we just fire Rivet. They are so bad I want them gone.
They ruined WCMLS already.

 

There's probably some sort of contract in place. Can't just "fire" them.

 

I've played it a few times. Running vanilla settings, the performance isnt bad for me. I'm averaging 100fps.
I'm gonna use the jetwash ini file later and see what happens.

Then I have got 32gb ram and 16gb vram.
And it is using a lot of that.

 

yea a contract that it was completely disclosed...
a contract shouldn't have even been done in the first place because DTG dont care nor listen to its playerbases criticism to routes. It was only when they realise rivet messed up WCMLS is was when they picked up the bits and asked community for help. Shouldn't have happened in the first place.

 

Now, let's stay fair. Yes, Rivet always messes up something in their addons, but there are also things they do very well. And even though WCML has its problems, many of them were fixed, and there are far worse routes in TSW. Without Rivet, we would either get fewer routes per year, or worse, the same amount but rushed, which ends in things like MKN.

 

The much worse routes are mostly those of Rivet so....
I prefer to have less routes per year than horrible routes but at least there are plenty of routes on TSW

 

my problem is that, they made a launch route for TSW. I mean yea its good for them but it looks bad for TSW as a whole. At least personally i think every new iteration (as much frustrating as it may be) should have all 3 routes build by DTG themselves and nobody else. At least show us the best you got not a crappy routes that i cant even get to rugby or birmingham (which once again TSC offers that TSW doesnt).
I dont want every new game to give us a new low. And thats Rivet.

 

Speaking of rivet, I've just posted yet another reminder in the Fife circle feedback thread for them to fix the running sounds which they broke with the first patch.

I find it pretty disgusting neither rivet who made and broke the thing, or dovetail who are selling on their behalf and presumably taking a percentage cut are doing anything about it. You'd think they'd have at least some respect for their customers who actually bought it and for the product they're creating and selling but it seems like they just don't care.

 

Even DTG don't listen to feedback threads for their own routes. Why would Rivet?

 

Not sure ‘comeback’ is the appropriate term here, as it suggests a return to a previous level of popularity…

 

That contract would have been in place since TSW began.

As far as it is concerned, the contract hasn't been breached.

It probably only says to develop routes that DTG can publish and that people will buy.

That's being fulfilled. People are still buying Rivet stuff. There's always someone to buy something, even if a small percentage of the playerbase (which these forums are) are against it.

 

Hey I was trying to be nice lol . You’re right they’ll be back at the same level of quality they left. In my opinion they better stick to Swiss content.

 

Rivet clearly don’t care, or else they’d acknowledge the displeasure in the community and then at least attempt fixes, West Cornwall Local is a classic case of a route being totally abandoned, and you can go further. There have been some good points too, the updated IOW line was great, but then their involvement in routes WCMLS totally smashed that reputation for me.

 

Probably half the reason rivet closed down their forums

 

honestly if everyone would agree, i would probably set up a new thread about a petition on getting rid of/firing rivet. DTG is inexcusable in this case that a rivet project is disguised as a DTG product, its just not acceptable. Higher ups and developers should be held accountable on how they treat their customers god damn it.

 

No point. For the purposes of TSW production you may as well treat Rivet and DTG as one company. They have a very longstanding partnership that goes back to the start up of both companies. They are intrinsically linked. DTG sacking off Rivet would be like England kicking Wales out of the UK. It just isn’t going to happen. You would be wasting your time making a petition and people are generally wasting their time going on about Rivet all the time in the forum as it won’t change anything. DTG will always use Rivet as a subcontractor.

 

If DTG get rid of Rivet, TSW would ironically be worse off than it already is.

DTG getting rid of their closest partner wouldn't do much good.

 

Rivet must be doing something right as they appear to be living rent free in so many peoples heads!