Route Mittenwaldbahn: Innsbruck - Garmisch-partenkirchen Feedback Thread

I don't know if Lukas answered this, I think he didn't specify the date.... my personal guess is next week before the release of the new DLC London Overground

 

Oh, next week only, that's a bit disappointing...

 

As I wrote, it's just my opinion, it's not an official date, just a guess.
In reality it may be different, but since nothing came out today, I'm just guessing.

 

I know. It would be nice if DTG or TSG could comment on that...

 

I'm looking at the description of today's update to TSW 5, I don't see anything about the Mittenwaldbahn?

 

And no update to the Mittenwaldbahn has been physically downloaded yet .....

 

What is even more disappointing is that they don't even speak of any release date... meaning this could be one of those "perhaps one day some time in the future" patch. With such a new route this is very discouraging to make any future early purchases...

 

According to what I've read on another forum, the patch has been in DTG's possession since the 20th, so the developer in this case has delivered what they promised. I guess they will release it when they see fit.

 

That could be true, because Lukas wrote here on February 20th, what the content of the fix patch will be.......

 

Actually I don't... perhaps you could enlighten me? This is not an unpredictable natural phenomenon that we're trying to study. It is a prepared patch that needs a bit of testing. And we should probably know how the testing goes by now...

 

This game needs an option on Xbox for series x. The pop in on this route is extraordinary. Trees, shadows, shiny tracks, shiny roads. What’s with the lighting and pop in? Even Nidderbahn wasn’t as bad as this!

 

Ok I’m going to go on a rant now.

How on earth, in the year of 2025, can a game be as bad as this?

I drove a short part of the route in the blue and cream loco. Firstly, it’s an interesting route and it’s a shame I’ve refunded it.

But goodness me I was STAGGERED at some of parts of the route I saw.

1. Giant mountains just popping into view.

2. Unfinished roads and weird looking roads that look like they were modelled out of plastercine.

3. Trees all along the route forming yards away from the cab. Detail doesn’t appear until very late.

4. Missing grass because of draw distance. It made the fields look plain and flat.

5. The same reused houses

6. A Cow walking right across the track as I ran over it.

Here’s some screens I grabbed. Gaming in 2025 anyone? Just unbelievable the lack of care, the lack of testing that goes on, the bugs, the draw distance, the pop in, the stuck passengers.

Im sorry but its just not good enough for 32.99.

 

It's disgraceful, sorry but it is.

 

What system are you running this on?

 

I’ll grant that some of those roads look a bit MSTSish and there are quite a few locations where the procedural grass is coming through the surface which ruins the effect. But overall, even as one fairly critical of bad DLC, this one pretty much ticked all the boxes. Even on my potato PC it looks okay and doesn’t seem to stutter as much as other routes - though that probably because the CPU isn’t trying to keep track of what 100 other AI services are doing.

 

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Don’t get me wrong it’s beautiful in places. Leaving the first station on the single track and rising above the houses and then coming into the second town in the valley over the viaduct is stunning and the roller coaster nature of the track is exhilarating.

It’s just spoilt like most routes by lack of care in places. I couldn’t believe that the road wasn’t joined properly. I don’t think a junior would release that.

It just takes you out of the immersion. I’d also wager it’s a bit triggering for people with epilepsy as things pop, move and shift constantly along with some weird lighting.

 

Xbox series x.

They need some sort of toggle for x and a performance that’s for sure but I doubt we’ll ever see anything.

I’ve got so much dlc on Xbox I’m not going to buy it all for ps5. I already have it on pc.

 

Now you mention it, does come across as if the mountain section then beyond Seefeld or Mittenwald into Garmisch were done by different builders. Not sure how easy it is to fix disjoined roads in the UE editor but not like it’s going to disturb the rail infrastructure. Some weeds or grass alongside the carriageway or even a bit of gravel texture would help break up that stark MSTS look.

 

Funnily enough, one of the best routes I’ve found for scenery and lack of issues is Luzern from rivet of all people!

I played it a few times yesterday and granted it’s old but the lighting was good, the trees didn’t form along the route, the traffic moved more or less like cars would and they did a good job on the shadow pop. The train is well modelled and it’s an interesting and winding uphill/downhill route.

 

Actually you are correct. As I don’t switch the safety systems on the ECTS shortcomings don’t irk me. In fact I wish Rivet had gone back in and pushed it out further. Not going to happen now of course, with the SBB kybosh.

Another hidden gem for me was Maintalbahn. I even like the Class 642 DMU even though both it and the route get a bad rap. And blasting the 218 along the winding single line fulfils my thrash head needs nicely.

 

That explains the mountains and trees popping in. Hope they fix it for you.

 

I finally bought it yesterday and generally I love what I see.
One thing that bothers me a bit is the stopping point at Mittenwald. I do not know how prototypical it is, but it seems weird that the trains are stopping in a way which blocks the passage from platform 1 to platform 2. And especially when I encountered an "off duty" train scheduled to stand for an hour at Platform 1 (during the first service in the Journey) - so passengers would have no way to access the train I arrived in at all.

I also can't find a switch to toggle the train supply on BR111 after the MCB is opened and re-closed. The train works just fine, as expected, but the lamp "ZS Aus" remains lit. That I'd normally expect on a German loco, except in most of them there is a switch to restore the train power supply and I can't find one here. Does anyone know how to restore it? It's by no means gamebreaking, but it feels wrong to continue for one hour without supplying the train

Manual does not seem to refer to this, sadly (although I appreciate it being there, still can't wrap my head around releasing simulation games without one..).

But it's excellent overall, and despite the steep price, I'm very happy about it. And it's also challenging too, in a good way!



Edit: OK, I know now, Train Heating switch does the job.

 

Honestly it's weird, but quite authentic, I'd say.
I grew up in a small town in southern Bavaria, with a station very similar to Mittenwald. The access to platforms 2 and 3 also has been a level crossing across the tracks (until 2024 actually, now we've got an underpass ). When a train would rest on platform 1 for half an hour or so, and another train arrived on one of the other platforms, passengers would just disembark and move across the tracks at any place, moving around the train on platform 1. The platforms were only a couple of centimeters high anyways.

This is being frowned upon nowadays, obviously, but was quite common during the 80's and 90's. And we never had an incident here, as far as I can remember. People were watching where they're going, and checked their surroundings instead of their smartphones

 

Oh sure, I know things like that happened back then. It was jus that in Mittenwald (or the way it is recreated) those platforms do seem quite high, and the crossing is in such a place, that those trains easily could stop in such a way as to leave this crossing free, that's why I thought it was somewhat weird, unlike on some smaller stations. But maybe it was like that there too, haven't been there.

 

I have a question in regards to the processes enforced at stations with a platform that can only be accessed by walking over the tracks. I am aware that those processes have gotten very strickt, nowadays, however, they have probably been much more relaxed at the time this route was set.

However, how are passengers supposed to enter the central platform if there are trains blocking their way for very long times?! This is happening quite regularly at Mittenwald. Trains arrive at Platform one, block the access to the central platform and sit there for up to half an hour, as they are turning around to leave for Garmisch again.


I am pretty sure that those trains were actually placed after those walkways, not right on top of them. Either this or a second walk way is missing.

This is not only a thing on Mittenwald, however, I happened to have this picture and am using this as an example.

Regardless, I am simply interested to learn how this was handled on this route. After all, as long as I am driving one of thos trains, I can adjust the holding spot accordingly...

 

Roadmap .... If I understand correctly, the patch for Mittenwaldbahn is just a promised patch with no known release date....

 

Indeed, when I started travelling more with trains in the mid 90's, literally no one cared. People just crossed the tracks where it suited them. But usually they were attentive enough to look where they were going, and had enough sense of self-preservation not to step in front of an incoming train...

I haven't visited Mittenwald at the time of the route, back then I was merely about 4 years old... gosh do I feel old now
But pictures of that era seem to suggest that it really was common practice to "park" trains for a while right on the crossing on platform 1.

This pictures has been taken in 1991, but is quite telling. The n-Wagen on platform 1 clearly blocks the crossing:


On the other hand, on platform 2 it seems to have been the norm to clear the crossing. Very odd.

By the way, if you're interested in pictures of trains from that era and area, I can't recommend this page called Doku des Alltags highly enough... it's a bit hard to navigate sometimes, but it's a treasure trove of interesting pics
Be aware, it's German language only...

 

Yes, you understand it perfectly... there are more pressing matters than releasing a patch they already have for almost two weeks (as we learned here)...

 

Maybe all their cows ran away during testing and now they're chasing them around the fields around Mittenwald

 

You can see the process here at 4:40
As per regulations, the station master or dispatcher had to manually secure the level crossing, standing there and stopping passengers from crossing until the arriving train to come to a halt, when there was a train entering a track with a level crossing. (The man in black clothes waving to the driver).
Also you can see that the arriving train did fully use up the available platform length in order to clear the crossing behind it. Right next to the crossing in the opposite direction you can see a H-board in front of the crossing, so a train coming from of Innsbruck with a stop at Mittenwald (basically all passenger trains as the border police would have to check them) would have to abide by that H-board.
If there was a freight train passing the station without a stop it would be the same procedure as seen in the video.
There also was a H board in the southern direction, looking at archive imagery, just before the crossing but that was only up to 60 (or 80?) meters train length, so any train longer than that would have to take the next (full) H-board at the end of the platform.

Also this same procedure is still in use today at Klais when there is a train crossing happening there. The dispatcher (whose signal box still today is located locally in the station) needs to secure the crossing manually when there is a second train entering on the innermost platform. Of course the regulations will have slightly changed over the years but those regulations for local dispatch boxes like in Klais should mostly still be the same. Maybe I can dig up an old Fahrdienstvorschrift from that time period and post my findings if you're interested.

 

Could we have any info on the patch release window please? DTG Lukas

Thank you very much.

 

Maybe DTG doesn't know either... at least it seems that way from the information in the Roadmap

 

I said it already - it will be one of those patches to be released "perhaps maybe one day"... So this route has become an abandoned product pretty fast. The last product I buy at full price it seems. They are releasing stuff, have many items in their roadmap... so they do have the resources, they just don't care, there is no other explanation. I wanted to drive on the route but decided to wait for the patch as there are some things that could improve the gameplay substantially... now not sure what to do. If I was still within the limit I might have even considered returning the route and re-purchasing it after the patch is released.

 

I'm not using it for the time being, especially regarding the chassis texture of the Krokodil .......

 

TSG has a good track record in terms of updates. We will have patches but the problem right now is with DTG, to me everything that comes from this company lately seems chaotic.
The game is starting to get too big and needs better support and organisation in general, or at least more professional. They have a lot to cover and I'm afraid they are not ready, or they lack more qualified staff, I don't know. But it all seems too amateurish lately.

I'm not buying anything at full price either, except for this route, and I don't regret it in the least because I love it. Despite some mistakes and room for improvement, for me it's much better than anything that's been released lately.

 

Yes I can’t quite bring myself to run it again just yet knowing these fixes and improvements are in the pipeline.

 

erg73 Not sure why you're telling me this I know very well that DTG is the problem here. But TSG's patching track record is irrelevant if DTG does not release what they produce. It's all about resources and looking at the roadmap they obviously assigned them to other projects basically abandoning this product several weeks after release... extremely frustrating and disappointing. As I stated it was my mistake to buy a brand new product at launch for the full price. Next time I will only be buying fully patched polished stuff for half the price. DTG motivates me to do just that so I will.

 

I mean this is a route made by TSG, and they have already confirmed that they sent a patch to DTG quite a few days ago. So until DTG is willing or able to release it, we won't have it available. There is little more the developer can do there.
And in my opinion, DTG should speed these things up more, precisely because they are tarnishing the work of a third party developer by delaying these updates too long.

I write on the forum with a translator, sorry if anything can be misunderstood because of this.

 

I also think it's a mess of DTG that they are holding back this update for so long.
But what can you expect from such a dirty shop?

 

Once again, you speak my thoughts. I love the route, I love the rolling stock. But right now, I restrain myself from running it, since there's always the thought in my mind that it will be even better when the update is out (someday).

I sincerely hope that's not the underlying intention behind the delay... Could DTG actually be jealous of TSG, and try to hold them back? If yes, this could backfire in a big way. The majority of the community isn't that gullible.

This wall of silence DTG built about the patch is pretty unnerving

 

Let's hope it's just a minor operational hitch, maybe there were some sick people in DTG, which I noticed...... maybe they postponed the stream to the roadmap In any case, it's unpleasant, for me personally the biggest problem is with the occlusal texture, I hope this helps, to that Krokodil

But unfortunately, the new DLC rolls out quickly, unfortunately they very quickly push the only week old DLC into the dustbin of history......for example, I don't believe Frankfurt will ever be fully playable on PS5, and unfortunately the next DLC will suffer a similar fate.

 

Could be true, sure. But in that case, proper communication of the issue to the community would quell all guesswork debates. Keeping people waiting in the dark like that just isn't good customer service.

That's currently my biggest issue with TSW overall, and DTG in particular. This unimaginable lack of maintenance for the existing inventory, in favour of hurriedly chugging out more new content from the assembly line. They could squeeze so much more value out of the older routes, even the pre-TSW3 ones, if they maintained them properly and kept them relevant.

But honestly, part of the issue is the community itself. So many people are constantly crying out that they want new routes, and they want them NOW!!, which leads to the temptation to satisfy them with quickly churned out, half-baked, bug-ridden routes since anyone's gonna buy them anyway. (insert eyeroll emoji here)
Folks, building a route takes time. Building a great route even more so. Same goes for the rolling stock.

OK, rant over, back to driving some trains

 

Yes, it's quantity before quality, certainly driven by economic reasons... but it doesn't act correctly in the end towards the customer... but it doesn't beat certain great sales figures...

 

Me too. I have had quite a few more runs on the 111 but I’m holding back on the 1020 because the (lack of) sounds bothers me a bit too much.

About the delayed patch, I’d guess it’s down to the 3 (if memory serves) route releases in March holding up QA, but obviously, guesses get us nowhere really.

If so, that really should have been communicated clearly for transparency’s sake or ideally the update should have been pushed through before those. It is very unfortunate that with developers like TSG and JT, the main hindrance ironically seems to be DTG and their core work.

 

So just a few mins back they talked about the patch in the March roadmap stream so hopefully it is really coming. Unfortunately as for when it's still the infamous "very soon"...

 

I have one debtor who has been telling me for six months that he will pay either tomorrow or next week....

 

Recommend everybody with a 218 to use it on this route. 15 empty Flatwagons from Innsbruck to Garmisch Partenkirchen.

 

Just noticed…

• Some floating assets (trampoline, clothesline) in a backyard directly east of Seefeld in Tirol station.
• A floating lamppost directly west of the little bridge north of Garmisch-Partenkirchen station.