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Just Trains can afford to release one route per year.

DTG have 3 months.

 

Penarth looks reasonable................

 

also notice the bus asset is the same asset that Rivet used in Bernina and Arosa.

 

And those houses look so Rail Simulator 2005. Not expecting 100% accuracy but that does look a bit too off from the prototype. It’s all on Street View so even if the route author didn’t make a site visit, they should have been able to glean enough information to do a better job than that.

 

Low resolution buildings that don't fit the area? Where have we seen those before? Hmmmm

 

Pro: JD says the 150 sounds have been updated at least

Cons: lots of breadcrumbs suggesting R____ being heavily involved: dodgy ballast, bus assets copied from Swiss routes, lack of trackside details, no playable freight, etc

Has firmly moved from Day 1 to "wait and see"

 

Those are some good points, and I do agree with them, but with the freight; there would be no point in having them playable - in real life they almost always just pass through Cardiff Central and wouldn't stop anywhere (on map) after there other than for signals, so the gameplay for them would be useless and somewhat inaccurate and would eat into the memory usage for the route... So I can see why no freight has been included but I do agree with all the other points you made.

 

It could be that the assets are shared between developers! Nothing was mentioned on the roadmap stream last night, and although the chat asked the questions these were ignored. If Rivet are involved l hope it isn’t with the route design. They our OK in my book for their locomotive design. Ok as acceptable not brilliant.

 

These days, without a pre-order discount, one may as well wait and see what the preview streams show up before making a decision. Unless the route has some meaning to the individual, of course.

 

Fair enough on the freight.

The timetable will be the real decider on this route for me- i'm sure people will be posting about it either way as soon as it releases.

Hopefully the concerns will end up being unfounded and it's a great route all-around.

 

For me, this was going to be an immediate purchase.

But there are some glaring issues with the scenery shown so far. The more we see (lineside) the worse things get.

 

My question is to anyone that knows on the route are there any level crossings in the areas that the route is set ?

 

Oh nice an American RHD bus New Flyer in the UK ! I’m really concerned about some low resolution assets used, it’s giving me some Fife Circle vibes. The music on the preview video was kinda a poor attempt to hide the fact that they haven’t updated the 150 sounds (or maybe a little bit) but generally we’ll get what we saw on these kind of previews.

I’m a bit concerned as I was really interested on that route at first especially with the 153. I’m really pessimistic that they’ll change anything from now till it’s out.

 

St. Fagans for one:

 

Definitely not between heath, Cardiff, Grangetown or Penarth. As for coryton/radyr, I don’t believe there are. Not barrier crossings anyway. I haven’t been down those lines in a while, certainly not since training.

 

the lighting at central for sure won’t change before release.

That’s mainline toward Bridgend. It won’t be in the game.

 

Ok cool thanks for your help

 

No tunnels either which would be another Rivet giveaway with the square portals not matching the linings and the orange brick wall texture with the black triangle repeating every few yards.

 

Glaring scenery issues is a common habit of Rivet’s slapdash work. Although it’s not been confirmed that Rivet are responsible, it looks like their work.

Why is it that Rivets work is so appalling and that they cannot be bothered with any of their previous routes to correct their glaring issues and omissions and put these matters right?

 

I'm sure there are many other routes that don't have the correct ballast so how come they don't get called rivet routes then lol

 

Yeah, this is particularly concerning. Looks completely bare and sterile!

 

These days DTG won't put Rivets name in any of their material for a route until after release. It's the same way that Hollywood studios won't use M. Night Shyamalan's name in any promotional material for a film if he's worked on it.

 

People will buy no matter how jacked up things are. Haha.

 

Surely true, but...
TSW does have a lot of bugs and does get me frustrated a lot from time to time; but these are mostly not game breaking, or at least don't affect other content, and the game is mostly enjoyable and fun.
And:
I read many comment on this forum where, imho, people are way, way too critical, unreasonable and completely unrealistic.
Yes, this game is a very expensive hobby, but it is niche, and for me, it replaced my model railway, which was way, way, way more expensive.
Also, adding it all up, and I have most DLCs, I paid less than 40% on average, totaling less then €1 per hour of playtime. Been to the cinema lately? That's more then many of my other games, but still nothing.

So, if you don't need to have new content right at release, just wait a bit and get it on sale.
If you don't like what they made, don't buy it.
If you find a bug, help build up pressure by (unfortunately) jumping through the hoops and writing a support ticket. Don't forget the write BUG REPORT on top so they don't tell you to turn it off and on again (or verify your game files)

But please stop shitting all over DTG all of the time. They are certainly not perfect by any means, make mistakes and don't always go into the direction we would like, but they are one of very few companies where I am sure that most of the devs, if not the whole company, do what they do because they love it, and certainly not for the money.

 

No barrier crossings unfortunately. There’s a few foot crossings!

On the Coryton branch - Whitchurch & Ty Glas Public

Between Cathays and Llandaf - Barry Wrides Public.

 

The big question for me is: are ALL 150/153 services present for gen8? No layers is fine for me if it's for performance reasons, but at least don't give us a cut down timetable for the base trains that come with the route. Can somebody please confirm that ALL 150/153 services that are on gen9 will also be present on gen8?

 

Many thanks for your help it’s assisting me greatly with research of the route ready for its release

 

Read the article. Only the playable 150 and 153 services are on gen8

 

Not the most attractive run. Is it typical of the route in general?

 

Relative to going all the way up to Rhymney or Treherbert yes, for the most part it’s just urban/suburban scenery. Coming down from Queen Street into Central across the South Wales Main Line is quite interesting then you pass by Canton Depot on the way to Penarth or Radyr but nothing really iconic.

 

The single track lines have a lot of trees either side but by the Cardiff area is quite interesting.

 

No, no, no! How dare you present reasonable points in this thread, instead of joining the typical rant that comes before any new content release, apart from routes built by those two third-parties, that somehow get a free pass, despite in some cases, you know, forgetting to include the mountains on a mountainous route? How dare you, these forums are not a house of reason! Why are you like this, and not indulged in sweeping every pixel of every screenshot in search for signs of public enemy number one, Rivet Games? /s

In truth I wholeheartedly agree with you. I get content on sales, too, as I want to have all the content for this game and at this stage it is just incredibly expensive to grab the 120-something DLC packs for the title. If I think I will enjoy something more I can get it quicker, if not, I'll wait for a sweet deal, but I don't act as I'm being extorted by DTG and they make me buy everything day 1.

And one final thing - why would any of you expect DTG to confirm or deny Rivet's involvement in a product, if the only thing that would lead to is further LOVE-flinging and nervous meltdowns? Your behavior is the reason they won't ever go there, because when that involvement were to be confirmed you would lose your marbles and start throwing a tantrum (that you are throwing anyway, just look at this thread, where more posts deal with Rivet than discuss the route itself). From the perspective of the publisher/developer it is obvious that what they want everyone to focus on is the content itself, but you are acting like that content is irrelevant at all, and you are in full spanish inquisition mode, because another company dares to insult you with a level of quality that is not fit for railway gods in this forum. The fact that at this stage you do not know if Rivet is involved falls sorely on you.

 

That's why the quality for JT routes is so high

 

To be fair, though, I do only have some of Rivet's DLCs and there are still some bugs, and of the DLCs I do not have, most are from Rivet.

 

I mean... the JT team is half a dozen, the DTG team is over 100

Difference is JT finish the route when they are happy, DTG have a date and if it's not finished it just gets bodged and released anyway.

 

They might do the cut off after Cogan which has a tunnel just South of the station.

 

Ah yes, forgot that one. Well it’s a location that will need to be forensically investigated for evidence of Rivetness!

 

What’s with the obsession with rivet there is no solid proof one way or another unless dtg officially say anything then it’s nothing more than conspiracy theories

 

Because their quality, generally, is well below par whether route building or rolling stock they make. The fact DTG subcontract then don’t actually credit Rivet kind of says it all. Anyway they are asking £30 for this tiny route with one new train and one reworked train that might or might not have better physics and sounds. As discerning consumers I for one will continue to take an interest in who made the product.

 

Because half of this forum is more interested in confirming their arch-nemesis' involvement, than in the quality of the product itself. It's sorta like identity politics, where they would label someone as enemy and then go on a witch hunt regardless of objective things. You don't need to look further than the quality of Cane Creek and no one going after Skyhook, while at the same time the mob looking for Rivet on every screen.

At this point if I were DTG I would just buy Rivet for the lulz, and keep churning out content to troll the inquisitors in this community.

 

There was plenty of criticism of Cane Creek when it first came out, still is so don’t think SHG are off the hook as regards quality. They learned a few lessons for HSC though loco physics remain questionable and MML got panned for the route quality on first release. However in the case of the latter they took on board the criticism and fixed up most of the issues. With the excellent Class 158 and VP185 HST it is now one of the better UK routes. The only residual (positive) feedback is that the experience is too short and should have gone on to Sheffield, Bedford or at least Lincoln. I would probably not hesitate to look favourably on another SHG route but sadly they seem to have backed away from that side of TSW development.

And the biggest problem with Rivet is not the shoddy building, it’s their bullish or even bullLOVE response to feedback. WCL without a doubt remains the nadir of their UK offerings with, as stated previously their inability to fix a simple erroneous speed limit on the St Ives branch. And I don’t know what they have on DTG, who seem unable or unwilling to hold Rivet to the standards customers expect for a £30 DLC - whether sold as from Rivet, or passed off as a DTG creation.

So along with many others, I will continue to be critical of Rivet and anything they might have a finger in. If anyone doesn’t like that, put me on their ignore list.

 

I think they could’ve added more vegetation to the riverside. Looks very bare and flat…no depth to anything especially texturing on buildings. They seem to dot a bush here and there and expect everyone to accept it. Clearly didn’t do that much research seeing as they missed the trackside hut at the end of P3/4. Wonder what the triangle at Canton will look like. It’s overrun with bushes and the old water tower. Can’t wait to compare it…see how “good” their research is!!!

 

In the route will the class 153 have that iconic door slam after the slide in door close sequence also what’s the situation with the destination displays are these changeable in game by players as I noticed the first look video on the 150/2 it has the Train FX destination controller keypad and what if any function does GSM/R have ?

 

According to my secret contact, apparently TrainFX does not work nor are the destinations changeable…automatic with the timetable. GSMR typical TSW feature now. Probably just be able to register and deregister.

 

Note for those asking questions, the official Stream Q&A thread is now live in the General Forum.

 

Could the 158 of been included aswell or do they run in other parts of Wales

 

158s mainly on Cambrian and North Wales routes now. The odd one may still go to Cardiff but I am not certain?

In DTGs world of compromise though it wouldnt look out of place a 158 that is, but it probably would take a team of devs 10 years to implement. Meawhile a modder will probably have it done on day 2....

 

Ok thanks

 

Adam said that SHG did look at the idea but it wouldn't have much to do on this route or something along those lines