Road Map Train Sim World 5 Roadmap: March 2025

Tonight. Was posted in announcements

 

My response to both is the same... it's about the geography and logistics for the team, not the route itself. Getting out, making scans and measurements, taking pictures, getting access, etc. That's harder for a UK team to do in the US, especially if there's not just a flight but also long drives to middle America and the licensing to deal with. If they can pop out for an afternoon and scope out a local railway they already have the rights to it's a lot easier.

Same with the German teams. It's local and convenient with the licenses in place.

The "Metrolink" deal and being in Los Angeles makes more development in that area likely (same with MBTA I'd think) so we may see more of those areas since there's already a relationship there with the local companies and they're near major travel corridors.

They're also urban commuter routes which traditionally do well in TSW.

Easier to make, safer product sales.

It's not what I'd personally want since I like freight with more scenery, but it is what it is. I also don't care for German or EMU content but... that's life. Other people like it so that's what sells and is accessible for the developers. I don't begrudge the German/EMU/Urban commuter folks their fun.

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That's why I'm looking forward to the Santa Fe. Some more variety on the Cajon Pass route could spice it up and make it playable for longer for a few bucks. (Especially the teasing but about more locals and shunting, but with no details I'm not putting too much stock in it. I've hoped for more of the traditional "local freight" content like in Sand Patch or Oakville where you actually deliver to specific sidings but I don't honestly know if HIS will get into that level of detail. Can't hurt to have some more variety in either case. A new C40-8W would always be welcome, even if it is a reskin (can't tell from the pack details)

 

I'm wondering if, now that DTG have started using unbranded trains occasionally, that opens the door to previously "off-the-table" American routes as well.

E.g. Philly 30th Street-Trenton Northeast Corridor. DTG have the licenses for Amtrak and NJT, but lacking SEPTA means Philly would be a ghost town.

But, if SEPTA were unbranded it's suddenly much more feasible.....they run ACS64's for their loco hauled services with Bombardier coaching stock ( which might be able to be repurposed from something we already have in-game)

The only completely new model that would be needed is the Hyundai/Rotem Silverliner V EMU, which runs the majority of SEPTA's regional rail services.

There's also Philly 30th St- Lancaster (Keystone Corridor), which is a bit longer, heads through Philly's western suburbs and out into the countryside and Amish country along the old PRR Main Line, which has a rich railroad history. Wouldn't take advantage of NJT license but would allow for longer Amtrak runs, including the continuation of the Keystone services from NYC en route to Harrisburg. If we ever get an Amtrak diesel, The Pennsylvanian runs on this route. It's also much more varied scenery compared to the mostly urban/suburban nature of PHL-Trenton.

 

I really hope, that we'll get Franfurt Flughafen Fernbahnhof, so that we can also drive the ICE T between Frankfurt and Mainz/ Wiesbaden

 

You realize tadami line is the very first project for union workshop right who are completely new to tsw and unreal engine. Plus the route is massive. It's long and dense. I've also heard they had some issues getting reference material for the train as well. 3rd party means it's also a very small team so the amount of work one person does is huge. You will have to be more patient unless you want them rushing things out the door

 

Matt is working on a remaster but he said there's still a ton of work to do and it's being done in his free time which he does not have a lot of

 

Then it should never have been announced or put on the roadmap until it was much more certain. Typical DTG jumping in with both feet, just like they did with the memo from Simtrack they were making a Class 104 DMU. Which still only has ever been shown as a rough draft of the exterior in a screen dump from Blender.

 

I think that's very harsh tbh.

These are both first-time devs in TSW and i'm sure they were happy for the players to know they were active in the TSW scene and what projects they're working on.

IIRC, DTG never gave the indication Tadami was anything other than a long-term wait. Agree they were a little more vague on the 104 but maybe we also assumed it would come more quickly because it's much smaller in scope.

Always room to improve communications though, for sure.

I personally love hearing about new projects, even if they're a long ways off.

 

Where is the live stream link on YouTube. Seemingly not up yet

 

Milepost simulations is also based in the UK, and yet he's somehow able to put out vintage US routes in about a years timeframe on TSC, and he's just 1 man. Getting places done like rural Montana, or the San Juan Mountains....

 

Good for him.
Get him to put some out for TSW then.
I don't honestly know how licenses are handled for individuals.
Who did the one guy who did Wildmay Line have to go to?

There's a LOT more unlicensed stuff in TSC than there is in TSW and it's not held to as high a standard of course. The standards across the board for TSC are far beyond what the same people expect of TSC.

 

TSC has a huge percentage of 3rd party stuff. Some really great free routes for Netherlands. Also if you don’t like what is provided you can edit yourself.

 

Yes you can.
Unlike TSW.

 

Positive thing:

TSG Loco Pack. Because TSW always delivers high quality stuff always.

Negative things:

1. Nothing about of the return of the fast moving external camera.

2. S-Bahn-Frankfurt is disappointing. Instead of connecting the Frankfurt Flughafen Fernbahnhof with the Mainbahn, to get playable ICE services, we will get another monothematic comuter route.

3.

No additional american freight routes



4.
SKA update - no release date already.

 

He's literally one of the dev's HIS has on their team for TSW.... (Though he still has another route committed to TSC)

 

So he's probably working on the Santa Fe pack for Cajon Pass...which is on the roadmap.
Well that's good. I'm looking forward to that.

 

DTG Harry DTG Lukas DTG JD
I saw a note error in the Roadmal article. The BR 420 for the Sbahn Rhein Main (Frankfurt) is not a vehicle from the 7th series but from the 6th series. How do I get to that? That's easy to explain. The BR 420 were delivered in series 1-6 with pocket sliding doors (like the Frankfurt 420). The 420 with the pivoting sliding doors such as the Munich version belong to the 7th-8th series. In summary, the Frankfurt BR 420 is a vehicle from the 6th series and not the 7th series. And the Munich one is from the 8th series.

Google Übersetzer.

 

I'm buzzing for S-Bahn Frankfurt... I live in Mainz so naturally it will be interesting to me but besides the anticipation let's get to the point: DTG, I sincerely hope you consider including the Fernbahnhof at FFM airport. I get that in standard operation it's of no relevance to the S-Bahn network but it provides the opportunity for creative scenarios that cover diversions to the Fernbahnhof (happens every now and then) and it would make drivable long distance layers possible which would in my mind make this one of if not the most popular current-day German route in all of TSW.

 

It was great to see JD leading the Roadmap stream tonight and it will be an exciting month or two for TSW enthusiasts!

 

So long as you're British, German or Dutch. If you're American or Canadian, you can take a long nap.

 

They've already explained that the ska timetable still needs to go through testing. It's over 4000 services to test and considering bml took many months, this will take many months too

 

Apart from the Santa Fe gamepack, there is nothing else coming for awhile for our American enthusiasts.

 

I really hope that DTG or TSG still provides us with the Frankfurt Airport Fernbahnhof; it is such a core station for the route, especially for IC and ICE services. Please DTG, include Frankfurt Airport Fernbahnhof for the route.

 

Pasting this here from the Q&A thread again.

By the way here is the link to rewatch the livestream. As things got a little messed up this time (livestream got delayed/Alex felt sick) and the livestream were just started yesterday at the standard time to broadcast (without prior set video location which usually is linked up in the roadmap article and the intial post in the Q&A thread)

 

I don't know what this means, but it looks like we won't hear about future releases anymore - DTG has closed the shop, now there are these plugs

 

Exactly. Even if the focus is on S-Bahn services having long distance services will make it much more attractive and also push sales of the IC loco DLCs and routes including ICE trains (FTF and KWG mainly). Besides the relevance of the station to the gameplay about 2-3km of the ~10km loop should be modelled for scenery anyways because these parts lie in the perimeter of the Regionalbahnhof loop and Mainbahn. Except for laziness there is nothing speaking against the inclusion of the station.

 

Loved having you back JD. Your professionalism always comes across for me. Whether you or someone else, having the odd leek was great for the community!

 

It's interesting. SKA update was announced as a special feature for TSW 4. Then we will get it for TSW 7 probably.

 

It's very sad, that Frankfurt Fernbahnhof and Frankfurt Hbf Hoch will not be included. That are the best parts of the route. That would give us real variety with playable ICE services.

 

I think Frabkfurt HBF hoch should be included, because that's what some YouTubers said, making a video on thr Routemap, but correct me if I'm wrong

 

I watched the bit in question 10 times now and it is still very unclear what the very short answer actually means - especially to someone like me whose first language isn't English.

I am very happy you chose this route to develop and I am absolutely okay with the focus being on S-Bahn. But I need to be able to drive other services end-to-end from time to time, outside of free roam, i.e. timetable services, to really enjoy it.
I still don't know if I should get excited and look forward to it or once again be disappointed.

So, please, kindly, could you answer the following questions:
-will Frankfurt HBF (surface station, from Frankfurt Fulda) be included on the map/route?
-will Frankfurt Süd (also from Frankfurt Fulda) be included on the map/route?
and most importantly, without going into details you don't know or can't share yet:
-will there be PLAYABLE/DRIVEABLE timetable services with layered-in rolling stock from other routes in the categories of ICE, IC, RE, RB?

AI is nice, but that is not my question.

Thank you.

 

they said the pc editor updates are in queued so is that testing or are they looking for slot to release it down the road?

 

Would be better if Cargo Line had a new freight train now as the 4th iteration Is in development. Where's the innovation.

 

You know what the ‘4th iteration’ is dont you?

 

It has a ‘new’ wagon - the military ones.
Yes, a new loco may be nice as well, but that would probably put the cost of the packs up, and people would then complain about the costs.
The teaser of the 20, may imply that a new version could be put in this pack, or could be a later release.

 

Also, I watched quite a few british cabrides recently, and the 66 is absolutely everywhere, and all kinds of liveries, and only very, very few other freight locos. Sure, something different would be nice, but is neither necessary nor realistic. I also agree that I would need to come with a route, not a gameplay pack.

 

The DB version we have ingame is also a 4-panto MS version, just like the Railpool one. The Flix one is the one that isn't.

Hence it's absolutely no problem that the DB one can run in NL, but it's gonna be real piss-offy if the other, supposedly feature-parity MS vectron that you buy as a single DLC by itself does not.

 

Is that a low res texture I see on 1st image??

 

If you're on about that sign in the background, yes.

 

Doesn't look terrible at 1st look.

-The red is still a bit off on the Dash 8.
-The 86ft boxcar is finally seen.
-The reskinned Autorack is new.....

 

Loco Pack ? BR 120 ??

 

Loco pack doesn't include brand new locos since that would be out of scope

 

Yes, that first image looks a bit low resolution and those background hills look like they should have some vegetation. Cajon suffers from poor vegetation in a number of areas compared to real life landscapes.

However the locos and stock look pretty good, although the boxcars, autoracks and hoppers are ultra clean looking, need some weathering.

 

Thank you. Appreciate it.
Not quite was I was hoping for, but better than no other services.
I really hope you guys still change your mind and put some more non-S-Bahn runs into the timetable, but this sound good enough to be looking forward to it. The route diagram looks really interesting. Thanks.

Missed you