Upcoming Release First Ever Netherlands Route, Coming Soon!

This will definitely be a day one purchase. Been wanting a Dutch route for ages. Hoping this sells well so more get made!

 

Wore like, ooh this will hurt...

 

Any particular reason steam gets a cheaper price - anyone know?

 

Probably the first non-US route I'm looking forward too. Specifically because the ICMm heavily resembles the JR West 287-series, or even the older Japan National Railways 381-series EMU. I'm going to go to town in the livery designer.

 

For me this route is already one of the best in TSW

 

Not only is Steam the least expensive, but the cost in the UK is lower; there is that much of a difference when looking at the exchange rates. The only thing I can think of is Steam has worked out some sort of deal. ?

 

Looking so good the route, better than I was expected ^^

 

Same here, i love my country's trains XD

 

Me too.. But that's because i'm dutch and i live here.. kinda an excuse..?

 

I mean, I'm definitely biased. But also, even though this particular route might be a bit of a boring, though understandable choice considering it's the 1st route made here (hopefully 1st of many ). We do have a genuinely very interesting and unique railnetwork, and a very active community.

It helps that up until the start of the 2010's or so, all our trains were designed in-house, which resulted some very unique designs.
Also, it's just a very dense network, and I think we prove that a railway doesn't necessarily have to cut through mountains or hills for a route or network to be interesting and scenic

I mean, as far as typical Dutch scenery goes, I will remain arguing for De Oude Lijn, Amsterdam - Rotterdam, both ends over Schiphol and Haarlem, which would take you through the typical tulip fields
Would be wonderful to see (but I'm just getting lost in fantasy now. Only time will tell if there's more future Dutch routes to come, and if so, which ones they are )

 

Okay, bit off-topic, but I just saw this confirming realism on the sng (which looks like a pis control system *WITH codes)

 

It’s not a PIS control. This is the start screen of TimTim Routelint (like a TomTom for trains)

 

Oh my bad, it said "reisinformatie" (or passanger information) but still cool. But in the icmm, you use the gsm-r to controll the pis if i'm not mistaken, by putting your "treinnummer" (not treinstel or train registration).

 

I really hope the "ruitensproeier" (or window cleaning fuel, idk what it's called in english) will work, and same counts for 'deurenalarm' button and test switch (deurenalarm = door alarm zoom/whistle)

 

I doubt it. As far as I know, no train in TSW has window washer functionality. Maybe the expert BR101, but that's it.

 

Even if they fake it, it would add that extra touch.

 

The screen is not fake, it’s the actual startup screen of TimTim. I don’t have a picture of it.

 

In Game? Really... To many Locos with nonworking Ebula or whatever the screen was meant to be used for. Vectron comes to mine.

 

I thought you meant like they just made that screen up. But I don't think the screen will have any further functioning, same reason why EBuLa doesn't work.

 

I expect the RW loco TimTim to work, in the game, they could try faking it.

 

Yeah, I've been arguing for pseudo-functionality like that for a while.

Even if my preference would be that for TSW6, the next big focus towards improvements in the game should be all interpersonal interactions, including with dispatch. And so signing in and out, even if it's simplified and made fictional. Would be so good and more immersive to just be able to interact with these screens a bit.

Also, with the empty ebula screens on a lot of trains. I really wish for some fictional functionality to those too.
Perhaps if DTG made standard route maps too, and the screens could load up PDF's you have in a dedicated file.
That way you those screens have actual value too, even if it's fake.

 

The ICMm has a destination display controll near the bottom of the cabstairs. GSM-R is only used for communication with the signaller just like on every other train.

 

Exactly! I love when onboard computers work like gsm-r on the icmm and on the sng, and generally just those screens.
(Edit: typo)

 

How do you know that? Also do you have any photos of that? Cause i love my icmm.

 

This is the controller in ICMm

 

Thanks, i doubt this will work though..

 

Well it's a very simple system in use. Much like the system on the BR146 etc. Only with this one, you need to select the first 2 letters of the station. So I hope it works..

 

It is also a PIS control, you can select the station manually in case the automatic system doesn't work. it is only for the screens on the outside tho.

 

Perchance anyone from DTG is reading this feedback and not got a towel over their corporate heads , please consider having an extended tutorial to demonstrate the new signalling and safety systems we need to work with. On the actual route. Not just the usual once around the bluudy Training Centre, coasting is important nonsense that seems deemed sufficient for most new route releases. And incorporate said tutorial in Journey mode, too.

 

I get it, and I agree that at least signal training on the routes should be the norm. That said, as far as safety systems go, ATB is pretty self-explenatory once you interact with it

Mostly because there's nothing to acknowledge. Only by obeying the commands it gives basically.

 

A dedicated ATB tutorial was mentioned in the announcement article.

 

Let us see if they hold true to that statement, unlike the New/Now oldish MBTA which has ZERO mention of the safety used and what to expect, and a how-to while bringing in New Never Played a Train Sim people and then run into issues and filing TroubleShooting reports when really is none.

It is amazing how Devolved TSW has become from the days of yor, err 2020/2022 when Tutorials and instructions were very well voiced and done fairly well.

 

Spoorlijn Zwolle – Groningen: ATB Safety System

 

I agree with you that these tutorials are generally not as good anymore (exception being LIRR commuter). However, I'll just wait and see how this tutorial wil pan out. No need to speculate

 

Yes I do agree with you lets see what they do with this one.

 

This sound a bit synical sounding but will that Page serve as the Safety system tutorial.
And it looks like the front of the loco opens IRL, but will it in-game.

 

It has been said a few times already, but while the front of the train used to open up, they don't do that anymore in real life. They have been permanently closed during refurbishment. As such, they won't open in game either.

 

I need to run through the thread from page one, thanks for the info though, that would have been a Kool way to get in or even find a way to make use of it.

 

I think the price is okay. We can compare it to the WCMLoS, the first 40€ route.
They are similar in lenght and amount of stations. However this one comes with a new safety system, signaling, and TWO new trains. I was worried it was gonna be a ghost town if they were to explore a new country which does not share a lot of rolling stock with Germany, so it is nice to see them adding two new trains rather than the usual one (or none in case of the Mannheim route). The level of urbanization in the Netherlands compared to the middle of nowhere Lancaster to Preston also sounds like a bit of a challenge to me. Gameplay is gonna be meh in comparison I assume but the amount of work is there to justify the price in my opinion.

As a sidenote, you British guys are so lucky to have so many routes to choose from, even though the UK railways are so bad with all the licensing issues, the samey 4 step combined handle, not to mention the track signage (who the heck thought not putting a warning sign before a 60kph speed reduction was a good idea, the 15mph slugfests, and dont get me started on the brilliant design of the old yellow numbers on a stick).

I would gladly pay this amount for content from my country but it doesnt look like its gonna come anytime soon, even though it is more interesting scenery wise compared to the Netherlands, has a religious trainspotting community, has one of the densest networks in the world only behind Switzerland I think, and there is a lot of rolling stock overlap with already available German content (But I guess the same can be said about the Netherlands).

 

I'm a trainee driver and have driven both the sng and icm.

but given the fact that dtg made major mistakes like driving an icm in the trailer and article with the boordnetomvormer and compressor turned off, having the sng screens be enabled without putting in the driver key, forgetting the train numbers inside the passenger coaches of the sng, adding fictional catenary, forgetting that Rotterdam and Centraal are in two different lines on the icm pis and a few other mistakes I wouldn't expect them to implement full pis control on the icm.

btw the photo that Robin posted is indeed the pis control.

 

The level of urbanization in this particular area is not that high. Between the stations you will see a whole lot of (flat) countryside.

On this map (look at the nort-east corner), you can see Groningen, Assen and Zwolle as having higher urbanisation. In between, not so much.

If a possible next Dutch route would be situated in the Randstad (see west part of the map), that would give a really different look and feel.

 

Welcome colleague, I have seen that also in the first few photos. Don't forget that it was probably still work-in-progress material. If it is correct, DTG worked together with NS / a colleague driver. So I expect that that it should be fine in the final product.

 

Yep, so far it looks to be the best product and trailer + info than the others.

 

Love the P.I.S.

I’ll wait and see what the preview stream looks like first. Also will these trains have the iconic Bagpipe sound they used to emit ??.

 

Bagpipe sounds we're only on the virm doubledecker (search up "virm doedelzak") the icmm and sng don't have it

 

Actually sounds are the great unknown and how DTG sourced them will be a question for the preview stream. God forbid they reused the Electrostar or Class 350 sounds!

 

Matt mentioned in one of the roadmap streams that cooperation of NS was really good and they had good access to everything. So one would expect some good sounds.

 

That’s a relief. Sounds are one of the simulation aspects I’m very intense about and certainly with the UK stuff, we’ve had a few disappointments.

 

Not even VIRM, all the before it, DD-IRM... Their GTO's got replaced for IGBT by the 2010 and the sound was gone.

 

Yep, the DD-IRM i still remember. For those who don't speak dutch or don't know what it stands for, it means: Dubbeldekker-Interregiomaterieel.
(or in english: Doubledecker-Interregionalstock)