Road Map Train Sim World 5 Roadmap: April 2025

Northern one would be wonderful.

 

TSG's BR194 and E94 Railtour Pack looks good.
I'm sad for Simtrack. The 104 pack was the only thing I was interested in.
[Edit, post roadmap stream - Simtrack's products removed because they weren't going to be released in the near term, not an indication that they were cancelled]

 

If US content is on life support, what would that make Scottish content ?

 

Scottish content is seemingly only developed by Rivet Games so..

 

Hell yeah, great that you included Frankfurt Flughafen Fernbahnhof, thank you!

 

Scottish content is UK content, would be like asking what about Florida content

 

Well, Scottish content is still being actively developed.

US content, however, seems to be getting less and less.

 

Thanks for adding the airport long distance station and a great variety of additional services to Frankfurt Wiesbaden

 

All these years that DTG have poo-pood the idea of route extensions then a first time developer is planning just that. I would like to thank Johannes for this. I am enjoying Mildmay Line immensely and look forward to driving the whole route in the future.

No hurry mate, just get the existing problems sorted first then take as much as much time as you need.

 

Pretty sure three routes in this game have been extended already.

 

It's a shame that the 104 and Peak Forest expansion have been removed from the list, I think it was fairly obvious to everyone that it would happen eventually though.

I'm rather disappointed that the Manchester Airport route has been pushed back out of the 3 month window yet again, I'd heard elsewhere that they were in the quality control & testing stage so it's quite a shock really.

The Just Taff 142 is a nice addition, I don't think it will bring in much entertainment on the Cardiff Network route as it's just too short to enjoy anything. That said, I think it would make a nice addition re-skinned into Northern livery and used on the Manchester Airport route.

Whatever the new route at Crewe is sounds promising, looking at the screenshot and the way the effect of those signals though I think it might be a modern era route rather than a nice 1980s or 1990s one. Regardless of that I look forward to seeing what it is and no doubt either making it a day one purchase or saying I won't but then caving about 3 days later

Overall it's a disappointing roadmap for me, just like the last few really. The only reason I am not going completely stir crazy waiting for the JT86 and Man Airport route is that since my house got flooded on New Year's Day I am not able to actually spend that much time on my computer as we are in temporary accommodation and thus, I'm not really missing out "that" much (except when I am able to sneak home and have a play).

 

My guess is the Mildmay extension was accounted for from the start though.

Whereas DTG don't do that.

 

Thoughts on the Manchester Airport route:

ATS were only going to Alderley Edge. Then we get a screenshot of Crewe.

Could it be that they've pushed the date back so they can finish all the way to Crewe?

 

YESSSS!!!!!!

Please don't forget to put some freight trains on Frankfurt S-Bahn.
Also: PLEASE make it so that I can use the ICE from Mannheim when I have both.

 

Ah, I’m sorry. I misunderstood you then. True, that would be nice. The ’97 timetable could use a lot of love, that’s for sure.

Fully agree with you. That TSG pack blows my mind. The E94 herself didn’t surprise me that much after Lukas’ comments in the German preview stream of Mittenwaldbahn, but together with a new LFR timetable?

I mean, we’re getting an E94, a new LFR timetable, a backdated 218 (technically not confirmed, but no other choice for TSG here), Gbs, and Umbauwagen in one fell swoop. The Umbauwagen surprised me the most. That’s a type of coach I thought would never end up in TSW. n-Wagen were likely given their longevity (and Silberlinge as well once modern n-Wagen were already in TSW), but Umbauwagen? Never thought I’d see the day.

 

Considering it has been pushed back by three months already, why not? If they don't have to model Crew themselves, how much mileage does it leave to put between Alderley Edge and Crewe?

 

Could the 110 or how is it called which comes with LFR be used in the older timetable too?

 

Depends on how TSG handle authenticity. Realistically? No, not in the orient-red livery we have her in. That came a few years later. So, she’d need to be backdated further into blue-beige or the even older blue.

Then, there’s the matter of the cab, but given the 103 is still featured presumably unchanged, that seems like a compromise TSG will accept.

 

That BR194 from TSG, and specifically the timetable update for Linke Rheinstrecke is EXCITING. Vintage German stuff has been my fav lately and that route has always been one of my fav. I was just thinking the other day how it could be improved by incorporating some of the new DBB stuff that came with Mittenwaldbahn. I can't wait to try out that timetable.

I am really curious what will be done with rolling stock. We can see from the screenshots it is bringing over the BR 111 and coaches from Mittenwaldbahn as well as the 103 making a return. The 218 is listed, as pointed out the livery currently on it is way wrong for 1984 but I would expect (if the red BR628 is any indication) that TSG is going to give it a correct backdated livery. 218 is a TSG loco so I am sure they have free reign in what they want to do with it.

As discussed above the Orient Red BR110 would be a few years off for 1984. Also the current Karlsruhe cab car would be a few years wrong since mint green didn't appear until 86/87. So if they need a cab car they'd either have to bend the rules on the year to use mint green or repaint it.

The 628 I am assuming is not used since it wasn't out until 86-87, but the roadmap does say that Niddertalbahn adds layers so I am assuming thats the blue 365 which works for 84.

TSG is big on authenticity so I am excited to hear what they do with this.

 

Not only the livery, but the cab would need some changes too. The version of the 110 we currently have in the game is modified for PZB90 and even LZB CIR-ELKE (which is too modern even for the original timetable). A 110 that would be representative of the '84 timetable would need the original cab with Indusi (I54 or I60).
I'm not sure what the 103 cab looked like in that era. It was modified after transitioning from LZB100 to LZB80, but if there was a change again after the installation of PZB90 is something I try to figure out at the moment.

 

We get so used to DTGs limits that I often forget that the third parties can kind of do whatever they want. For example we get so used to DTG usually giving us stuff in only one livery but then JT comes out and gives a plethora of liveries on their routes.

 

And what about the 420? Could it be seen as AI in (I pressume) Mainz?

 

As a big 218 fan I'm really excited for this, if it turns out to be true.
Even in the current 1998-ish timetable, many services (namely the Mainz to Saarbrücken services of the 628 or the Koblenz to Boppard services of the 110) should be run by 218 to be accurate.
Not wanna sound greedy, but perhaps this might come with a period-accurate n-Wagen diesel cab car? Silver with cream/blue front?

Yep, same. It's just such a niche vehicle, not as widely known nowadays but at that time, they were EVERYWHERE.
Due to the lack of backdated German routes I never even dreamt about getting it ingame someday. What a great surprise!
Here's hope to many more upcoming backdated routes where we can put it to good use

I doubt that we'll get period-accurate 103 and 110 for the route. My guess is, the regional services will be handed over to the cream/blue 111, which is fine for me. Just imagine the amount of work they put in all the new rolling stock... reworking two existing locos and their cabs might just be too much. But who knows? Let's wait and see. I'm excited as is

 

That is most definitely Carlisle.

 

ISTR travelling on a 628 from Garmisch to Kempten in 1983...

 

US still has a ton more

 

But Scottish content is classed as UK content. So, we're still getting more of that than US stuff.

 

The version we've got ingame (628.2) has been first manufactured in 1986. But a small series of prototypes (628.0) have been made in 1974, and were in service in the Kempten area until 2004. I still miss them, very comfy!

 

Will the S-Bahn trains in Frankfurt get Conductor Mode?

 

To clarify I was talking about the 628 we currently have in game. There was an older version (628.0) which you probably rode on but they looked very different (more than just a reskin).

 

It's a new third party called All Aboard Studios doing something with Crewe.

Personally I'd find it funny if they were doing Crewe to Manchester lol.

 

Having Frankfurt cut off from Mainz and Mannheim is so exasperating.

Not connecting to Aschaffenburg just baffles me !

What is the most connected Frankfurt network?

That could be Achaffenburg to Darmstadt and Darmstadt to Frankfurt.

Aschaffenburg to Wůrzburg ? Definitely.

For other traffic than ICE, we could have Würzburg to Fulda via Gemünden.

We are extending to Wiesbaden, great, but why are we extendng instead of connecting what we have already ?

How long must we wait until we can reach Mannheim from Frankfurt ??

Looking at the DB map, Achaffenburg to Hanau looks obvious for connecting routes with least effort, followed by Aschaffenburg to Würzburg. No way as demanding as tying in Mannheim as it is such an important station.

 

Probably not. S-Bahn trains are driver-only operated. There are ticket inspectors who randomly check the trains but they aren't involved in the operations of the train, e.g. closing the doors.

 

Same here. Yes, the 103 (and depending the 110) will be more out era than already in the ’97 timetable, but it’s something I can live with here. PZB90 and EBuLa on the 103 will look rough but it is what it is.

I also figure that the 111 will handle all of the local services. That’s arguably a worse fit than even the 110 was, but at least appropriately backdated. The big plus here is of course the new rolling stock and a fitting freight loco with fitting freight cars. If the 218 also features as indicated, it’ll feel a lot better than the the initial timetable, certainly.

Since it hasn’t been talked about yet, we’re getting new Falns! The original ones are horribly outdated and weird, I’m hoping TSG have touched them up and brought them up to standard - that would be fantastic!

As discussed, a few liberties taken, but if done right, this should be a phenomenal pack much better than the initial timetable.

 

Well, settles that then.

Unless, the ATS route does go to Crewe and All Aboard Studios does another route from there?

Splitting hairs though.

 

I've a feeling it'll be North Wales Coast

 

Nice idea. 350s to 450s too?

 

Long shot, but could the Koeln - Aachen 423s use the models planned for this route? You’d just have to switch the logos and the interiors would fit better

 

From Crew that would be over 100 miles.. staggering for a first attempt. Especially if the yards and sidings at Crewe are included!

It could be a modern take on SoS? But they’ve loosely mentioned they’re working on both rolling stock and a route..

 

Anyone noticed on the first of the two different cab screenshots of the E94/194 (guess it's the cab of the E94 088 since you can see the green exterior through the windows) you have the PZB90 tableau in the cab.
So you can drive the E94 with the realistic system on modern routes. Great!

Also, I'm REALLY happy to hear that Frankfurt Flughafen Fern is going to be included as well as the extension to Richmond. Never felt this heard before regarding TSW.

 

Yeah, it's not in Alex's post above, but the website roadmap includes:

"Both of these add-ons from Simtrack Studios continue to progress through development, however, we want to manage expectations with the community who are waiting for news on these add-ons."

 

Didn't notice that the first picture isn't the normal cab of the 1020 from Mittenwald. The cab shown here is the cab of 1020 042 which is preserved by a club in Wolfurt (Vorarlberg). This 1020 wasn't repainted in the 70s and has therefore retained its original green livery. It was modified for PZB90, hence the different panel in the cab, as the normal 1020s were retired in 1995 and weren't updated to PZB90.

 

Yes. Would be surprised if it anything else. Although Crewe to Stafford or Birmingham could be good. Anything other than the 90s for North Wales would be a tad dissapointing although I have learnt to live with low expectations and if it's modern day will wait two years till it's bargain price!!

 

Sure for some it's unintersting. But for many people it's unique and impressive. Impressive strong freight locos by data, design and sound. Impressive landscape. And because American Freight Railways are so efficient, they are the most profitable in the whole world.

And that's why DTG should bring out more of that stuff.

 

+ Frankfurt S-Bahn with the addition of Frankfurt Fernbahnhof and Mainz Güterschleife => additional playable ICE, IC and freight services => more authenticy and variation
+ E94 from TSG especially with new railtour passenger amd freight cars
- no american freight route
- no steam route
- no fast moving external camera on consoles, that we had till 2023

 

90% to 95% of uk content is set in England so at this point I would spit up the uk content into each individual countries, basically I I’m really talking about Scottish content which we online have 5 DLCs for

 

No apparent plan to fix any (even most recently released content) to get rid of Zfighting. It's been raised with the art team again. So it's basically Russian roulette with future releases.

Sad to hear also, that the audio popping appears to be here to stay too.

 

When Scottish content gets released it usually is presented on the roadmap with the Scottish flag, with the Welsh content it’s the Welsh flag but English content is the flag of the United Kingdom. How strange..

 

I guess it's the E94 088, which is also mentioned in the text. The E94 088 is a former 1020 (which itself is a former E94 of course) and came back to Germany around 1999/2000. With the different windows you can easily tell she's not a 194 but instead a 1020.
https://www.altbauellok.de/e94-088/

 

Paging LucaZone is that just in free roam, or is there more to it please? [fingers crossed]