Route West Coast Main Line: London Euston - Milton Keynes - Feedback

This was reported to DTG via the forums and Service Ticket back in September 2024.
Multiple bugs remain with the route, but DTG have a huge rug, that they sweep all issues under.
Rumour is the rug will be cleaned shortly, so the new TSW6 bugs can go there......

 

Funny. There are other big games on console that work fine all the time.

 

When will Eustone become an overflowing station?

 

XBOX SERIES S

BUG:

All trains clip through the retaining wall. The wall actually comes through the train.

CAUSE:

Retaining walls were placed too close to the tracks, so trains do not have enough clearance to pass without clipping through the wall.

LOCATION:

Primrose Hill Up Slow line, on approach to London Euston at signal WM 312

REPRODUCIBILITY:

Always, with every train at this location.

 

And somebody left a bunch of trees in the sky near Bletchley..... Because reasons?







You know, it gets to a point where it's hard to decide if these are actually bugs, or if this stuff is done on purpose.... I mean, how the heck do you even put a bunch of trees in the sky?

Best get the sturdy umbrellas out lads, and check the house insurance is up to date.

 

Reported September 2024 to DTG.
They are either 1: inept at fixing bugs, or 2: the ship is going under an no one cares.

 

That's where Zant and his minions enter this world.

 

Top comment, I did lol when I seen this

 

This is the floating object on this route. You will encounter it when you enjoy it in exterior screen mode. It's creepy.

 

XBOX Series S

BUG:
Tunnel mouth overhangs the track and clips into all passing trains.

LOCATION:
Primrose Hill Up Fast, near signal WM 113 on approach to London Euston.










Probably the same cowboy builders who banged-up the retaining walls.... They'll want to tarmac your driveway and sell you some pegs next, so they will.

 

Still actual. Had this happen the day before yesterday. Besides the one in SBD where picking up the lost luggage does not trigger the scenario to go on, this is the second core route scenario which is incompletable.

 

There is some people who junched onto the truck at Harrow wealdstone

 

Using the new wagons on WCML South a TPWS stop can cause a fatal brake lock that even ESC X for Reset loco on PS5 does not cure.
This can happen by accident if you click on the one digi screen, then get an AWS buzzer, swing down your view, but now you have lost your interact reticle ... you have to go up to the screen above, hit game controller button 'O' but by then it is too late. On a PS5 with a BT keyboard, clicking Q is to no avail ... while that reticle is the digi pane 4-dots, no other inputs are recognized. I have not seen this reticle issue before.
The TPWS panel is of no use in this instance: nothing will release the train brakes. Reset gives you Throttle power (!) , but the brakes remain locked. They cannot be released. I am stubborn. Could not be done.
I did see that ESC X reset left MY train length entry in that upper unit ... but that little train length panel is not treated as a digital pane. ( who knows why ? ) so that ESC x Reset is a quasi-Reset of the loco.
Aside frm sudden power losses ( PC and PS5 ) this is my only other PS5 Class 66 issue using our current 3 freight packs for WCML South: petroleum, aggregates and new TSW5 K wagons. It is a nasty bug, because the only option to cure the fault is Restart the service.
I have tried to replicate this on PC under Epic Games on WCML South with regular freight, but cannot. It takes patience.
The great thing about Class 66 on PC is that i use the two big numpad keys ( + and Enter ) separately for DSD and AWS so testing enforced braking is a bit easier.

 

Service 1M15 Glasgow Central to London Euston: whilst on the approach past Camden, I noticed a backlog of trains from Camden Sidings into Euston, 2 pendos, a 350 trying to depart North and an Overground 710 all stuck.

 

350 Service Number. 1Y19 (Departs Platform 16) Starts at 08:23. PIS Shows incorrect information.
Realtime Trains | 1Y19 0823 London Euston to Birmingham New Street | 22/04/2025 This should be what it says but it says Euston. Also while on the Topic, It should say London Euston not just Euston. Same with Birmingham, should say Birmingham New Street. Basically the same for every destination apart from Tring and Bletchley. Annoying ngl.
But getting back to my topic. PIS Shows Euston on the PIS not Birmingham New Street.

 

Started 5H03 Wembley Intercity Depot to London Euston. Heavy Rain.
No issues whatsoever. Get into Euston all smooth. Completed service. About to Shut down the train and the game just crashes out of nowhere. This is on PS5

 

Another update and the tail lights between two 350s are still on... Such a pain to go and turn them off. The AI 350 also have this issue PS5

 

Months on the route still doesn't feel worthy of TSW5 content...

Destination boards on and off the trains are still inaccurate despite updates (god knows how stupid little things like that are missed. 'Liverpool', 'Manchester' etc... which should be reading Liverpool Lime Street, Manchester Piccadilly etc..)

The Class 350 doesn't allow you to put the reverser into neutral, and is permanently locked at 'forward', at stations and only allows you to do so when the train key is out. (Neutral for when stopping at stations).

The railway traffic itself seems reasonably empty still. Timetable isn't 1:1 and has huge gaps in services... Scenary bugs etc...

There's been a few minor optimisation updates since the beginning of the year, but has the major update and Liam's time table and the scenary updates we were promised turned into vapour? Initially it was said once optimisations were implemented we'd receive the updates accordingly? 6 months later, it's gone completely quiet...

 

West Coast Mainline South

Class 350

• Updated tail light in headlight setup so they will now switch off when the train is coupled to another unit.

This is the update notes stating it was "fixed" on the 27th February update. After that update I noticed it did the opposite and leaves the tail lights illuminated (on both player and AI 8 car and 12 car services) when will this be fixed PS5

 

This right here mate. Bang on, seems like Liam has gone quiet and won't speak about it at all now.
You probably remember me stating the Missing Glasgow XX30 services. it was like 8 or 9. Few Edinburgh AI services missing, Manchester services missing too. All AI Mostly. It does feel very quiet on the route and at Euston as well.

Was looking forward to Railtours and Sleeper services but god knows when we will get that.
Disgusting it is. The Destination boards just saying Manchester and Liverpool as you said.
The Passenger System on the route is disgrace. Again that just speaks of the game entirely.

UK Routes have been neglected this TSW it feels (I am UK based solely so not sure of other routes).
You know where I stand Oscar with This route.
But I say it again, for one of the most requested routes and Most requested Iconic High Speed Train the 390. To give it a 30 min to 40 min run depending on if it stops at Watford is just not good enough. Should of gone to New Street. I hate repeating myself but like ughh.
Wonder what TSW 6 will give us aye? I god hope Rivet aren't involved in TSW 6 UK Core route otherwise I may just get the Free Version if they do it again just for the core features. I don't think I could handle having to wait 3-4 months for the Route to be fixed because of Rivet's mess!

It was a joke on how long we had to wait for WCML South to be fixed including stopping the crashes, timetable, scenery etc
Don't think I want to work wait long after spending £60.
I have been putting feedback on here from time to time and also making tickets.
But I think they keep getting fobbed off now and thrown into the bin.
They can't keep using 'its such a big route, this and that' when you have got London Commuter but runs very well on Gen 9 and it does for me, yes will get frame drops but that is expected but it ain't too bad.

Want to talk more about the 350, 350 PIS is just always saying 'NotIn' which is so annoying and immersion breaking. Not being able to set the train destination is also annoying, again little bit immersion breaking. Same with other trains such as 158,153,150 (TfW Ones)

Back to the 390 again, The timetable has so many missing gaps it is stupid. (Exclude the 805 services) But saying about the 805 wouldn't of done any harm if they were to just use the 801 and put it in Avanti Livery as 805 with the unit numbers as it wouldn't be drivable as they normally operate Non-stop to Stafford Anyway.. That would plug in gaps.
807 is basically the 390 but can't go 125 but anyway. Its annoying we only have 4 390 Services back to the Depot when there should be 11 which means we are missing 7 services on the Late finished. Has to be around 30+ 390 services missing. I will have to do very deep research which I want to do tbh.
I will give individual Ratings on this Route

Passengers: 0/10
Immersion:5/10
Distance:3/10
Class 350:5/10
Class 390:8/10
Reasons for my ratings:
Passenger System is just a disgrace, embarrassing for such a route that has such an influx of passengers, Around 90000 Passengers Start and end there Journey at Euston Each day. This is not very well represented.
Again the issue of passengers not disembarking the train at Terminating stop is a big immersion breaker for me. Needs to be fixed

Immersion: Given it a 5 out of 10 due to the fact It Ends at MK. 350 it is great, got all depot moments, all types of services ECS, Semi fast services, local stoppers etc. Very good on that one.

390 on the other hand. Others little bit of it with the depot moves to Euston then taking the train to MK and also back to Euston. But as said before 7 depot services are missing (back to the depot) and also the route running to MK just not good enough. It would of been amazing if it went to Brum doing the 9G services as I stated on another post.
But no Dovetail used the 350 to make it an excuse for it to be a commuter route therefore they don't have to do it to Brum. Like come on, people going to want to Use that 390 to the max of its potential at 125 but nope we can barely do 30 mins just mainly 20 minutes. As I have said Millions of times Dovetail should of blown us out of the park with this one, Do it as there own route with not having Rivet have anything to do with it apart from 350 and that as they are really good at Vehicle modelling. They could of gone to Brum which is 112 miles and yes lots more track but if they were to do it, have it fully tested and proper timetable imagine the reception they would of got. Then we wouldn't of had a Message from Alex saying how upset they were because of how we reacted to the very poor release of the product.
I don't understand the decision making at Dovetail games I really don't.

350: As always shame about the LNWR Licencing. Shame we can't change the destination on it. Other than that it is very good.

390: Love Driving the train, love the tilt on it. Shame about the TMS functionality and logging into the TMS Screen. 390 works very well IMO. Just as stated on Distance part the run ends all too soon.

Hope everyone has enjoyed reading this if you have read all of it. Do state if anyone has struggled reading this and I am happy to put it in a easier one. But this comes from Passion for a route I have always wanted and for it to be released in shambles and the distance cut buy 60.71% is not good enough.

 

The 350 needs to be in brake step 8 or above to select neutral.

 

I think Liams hands are tied unfortunately, he has done the work and has hinted he didn't have access to the original Dev build to alter some things. He has to stay indifferent because he can't necessarily slag DTG off, and nor can he side on the players side. He has made small passing comments about the quality of the route and that speaks volumes in itself... But I respect he tried to fix it, but because of DTG being in cahoots with Rivet the chance of it being improved to the level we were promised seems pretty empty at the moment. For WCMLS to improve the core issues need to be gotten ontop of, and that looks like its not going to happen for the foreseeable future... But Liam isn't to blame in anyway shape or form, he just has gone quiet on it due to internal issues at DTG in sorting the core issues out.


The revamped route looked stunning, as did the timetable. As you say the timetable is still missing chunks of 390 services and ECS moves, and that is minus the 805/807. Johannes NLL has shown us reskinns to stock can be done, even if they 801/1 was reskinned into AWC livery just as an AI service and unplayable.

It does look like Rivet is producing the UK content on DTGs behalf at the moment and is the exact reason I'm dodging this and the pay wall variation of the next title.

 

Actually you are right with Liam, my bad don’t mean to take credit from him. He done amazing and delayed GWE so highest of respects to him.
Ofc can’t be negative about Dovetail. Must fill his head in rage when he has to sort out Rivet’s Mess.

Massive shame UK routes are being done by Rivet in Dovetail’s name. In that way isn’t it false advertisement and marketing?

 

This was never the case previous before it's physics was tampered with... Nor is it the case with any other rolling stock? The issue is a very recent one that occured after one of the 350s many driving physics alterations.

No, I know you didn't mean it in a derogatory or disrespectful way towards Liam. I was just clarifying that he most likely has to remain indifferent because of his position. One can just hope we will see his and Fawxs improvements one day...

DTG must be focusing their resources elsewhere where, because it seems they aren't to fussed about the backlash with Rivets work and being the outsourced provider of their UK content... On there heads be it though, they only have themselves to blame once the decline sinks in. If WCMLS and Cardiff City Network aren't evidence enough for DTG to see the quality isn't upto scratch then I don't know what will be a wake up call for them. Only if a financial dip hits them as a consequence I feel we will see a change in direction around quality control.

 

That is where we have to come together as a community and fight against this. As mean as it says we have to fight back.

 

When you think about it, this route SHOULD really be given more attention considering it's cultural background.

Cheddington: Where the world famous cheese is made.

Leighton Buzzard: The place where giant flesh-eating birds live.

Berkhampstead: Famous for producing.... Well, let's not go to deep into that one.

Bletchley: Famous for it's flying trees, gathered high in the sky above the station platforms like some environmentally aware UFO.

 

100% Agree. Honestly. This route had the potential to be the most best and immersive route on TSW. But nope we got That Mess.
Was hoping it would of gone all the way to New Street with the Northampton Loop. Again you never know I hope it gets a most needed extension. I really do.

 

I hadn't driven the 350 in a little while. I'm just running a service now and it seems that somehow the power level isn't notched anymore? I seem to be able to infinitely vary between when it looks like it should be 4 notches only. Is this a recent change?

 

PS5 Version…
The one unders at Harrow and Wealdstone are back. Just killed not one but two passengers crossing the fast lines with a Euston to Crewe service at 110 MPH.

The Class 350 also suffering intermittent loss of power.Braked down for the 100 restriction through Berkhamsted then unable to take power. I had to stop and completely shut down then restart the cab to recover. Running with AWS and vigilance off, did not trigger doors or DRA etc by accident.

This route is getting on for a year old now and it’s high time DTG sorted these issues out, particularly the pseudo fatalities.

 

Can't you fix it quickly? Please prioritize fixing the bug first. I'm paying for it.

 

Given how much this route has been left unfinished, with bugs and multiple timetable layers hidden it wreaks of Rivet all over!

 

Since the last update to it almost unplayable on PS5. If i try to spawn at Wembley Depot the game crashes instantly. No matter if its on foot or a service. Sucks totally...

 

Personally, I’ve found on Series S, that although it requires me removing one of the key layers (Avanti), by doing this and running Overground/Underground/350’s/Southern/Freight, the route runs without a hitch

 

Sorry if this has been covered already - I tried to read back over 18 pages but it's a lot of weeds to get lost in.

Is anyone having issues with the two Wolverhampton services for the Class 390 at all. I have tried 9G48 and the other 9xxx (forgot headcode over the weekend) service from Euston to Milton Keynes.

From Euston you run express to Watford where you're routed to the slow lines for your passenger stop and then you're routed down the slow lines express to Milton Keynes. My issue is that you are held at a signal at danger a few blocks from MK and the train, while appearing fine, just won't work.

Reverser is in fwd, brakes released, no penalty brake applied, doors closed and interlocked, pan is up and the line volt light next to the pan up/dwn light is solidly lit. Moving CPB handle from the centre position into the power range does nothing and moving it into braking range will apply the brakes to the set notch.

I have tried resetting train physics and re running the service twice (for a total of three attempts) and have had no luck getting it to run.

Am I doing something wrong, how TF do I complete this service?

 

I shall give 9G48 a shot now mate and feed it back to you.
I am on PS5. What console are you on?

 

Was doing 1A10 390/0 Service in Heavy Rain Liverpool Lime Street to London Euston. It is all smooth, as soon as I enter Camden Tunnel. It crashes

 

It’s a pile of rubbish this route. Sorry, it just is.

 

Hate repeating myself but has to be one of the worst optimised core routes they have released. This what happens when Rivet is involved. No Doubt Rivet will have some involvement in TSW 6 Core route.

 

Sorry, also PS5 OG, game version 1.41

 

Haven’t had chance yet. But hopefully when I get home tonight I shall give it a shot

 

Thank you, much appreciated.
(9G48: Euston to Wolverhampton @22:28 for the 390/1)

 

Yes just had the same Passing Cheddington. Shortly following yellows as you are Behind 4M60 who seems to be having weird signalling issues ahead. I shall update as 4M60 has gotten moving

 

I'll re run it myself incase I wasn't being patient enough but once the light cleared to proceed the Pendo just wouldn't take power. Twas a pain

 

Yes managed to complete the whole thing I did. When approaching a red light are you running at a low speed? As TPWS can kick in if your approaching too fast

 

I’m hoping others can confirm for me, but it looks like unintentionally, neutral sections work for the 350, you will notice these losses of power at these times. Leighton Buzzard area, is another place you’ll see this.

Now it’s not something mentioned by DTG as being implemented but I’m almost convinced they are have been implemented, perhaps by mistake!

 

That would explain the sudden losses of power I get where the power setting on the HUD goes red and you need to shut off then reapply.
I just thought it was a bug.

 

I was doing about 25/30mph up to the red so it may have been an Overspeed penalty.

 

Ditto me, had a loss of power north of Hemel. Great if it has been implemented but why a silent update?

 

I've also had this around Leighton Buzzard..southbound. HUD turns red and complete power loss. Turned power back to zero and reapplied.

 

There’s a neutral section at Bourne End Junction, so that makes sense.

The only other neutral section I can think of is around Wembley but can’t remember if I’ve suffered a loss of power on the 350 there, but other than that, I’m 99.9% convinced it’s neutral section implementation, it’s just never been mentioned!