Tsg New Br194/e94 And New Timetable Discussion

Beyond excited for this pack honestly. What Linke Rheinstrecke always lacked was a proper timetable. And I don't mind at all the more "artistic" representation of the era. A new timetable for an amazing route, a "new" loco, new coaches, new wagons, scenarios and services added as railtours to others add-on... A lot for a single pack. Really hyped for this !

 

Absolutely. I’ll throw in another old lady: E18

 

An E18 would be spectacular. Nothing to add to that, it would be an awesome loco to have in TSW.

I'll throw in a more unusual suggestion: E77 10 will celebrate her 100th birthday this December. She's been in preservation since the 70s, is operational & mainline certified, and her home base of Dresden-Altstadt exists on two different TSW routes!

(The 65 km/h top speed might end up being unpopular though)


Photo: Magnus Gertkemper • CC BY-SA 3.0

 

Oh yes! Just imagine some route like Ingolstadt-Regensburg or Bamberg-Schweinfurt-Würzburg backdated to the early '80s, with the E18 doing passenger services and the E94 handling freight
(The latter route would fit well into TSW anyway, since it follows the Main river along a good deal of its run. And DTG developers seem to love the Main, considering how many Main-adjacent routes we already got...)
It would also be a great asset for all the train museums along the routes, as well as railtours.

Would definitely be something "new" (or rather different) to have ingame! Love it
While I personally don't mind the low top speed, I agree that it probably would put some people off. But if this were to be released as a loco pack, these kind of people wouldn't buy it anyway

 

Day One for me!

 

So I was at the Dresden Dampflokfest yesterday and to my surprise I encountered this familiar face:

It's still there this sunday and did a photo-goods service on the Tharandter Rampe together with E77 10 last friday.

I took the opportunity to speak to its operating personell and it turns out, not only does E94 088 do railtours but also revenue services every now and then. It's mostly being booked by Smartrail for ECS services.

So it could also realistically substitute on some regular modern day services on various timetables (Ludwigsbahn could get a hefty portion of those since E94 088 is stabled at Neustadt an der Weinstraße) and appear in community made timetables.

Also staff was unaware of it being made for TSW5 nor knew what TSW5 was, but that could just be the few people I've talked to hopefully since I can't imagine TSG not researching the prototype to their model and in that process involving the owner.

Also now that I've seen it in person, I'm even more hyped for this DLC.
It's a definite day one purchase for me.

 

Yep, this old lady is very busy, all across Germany!
I had the pleasure of going on a railtour with her from Stuttgart to Augsburg in 2022 (picture by me):


Really impressive to see all this old machinery in action up close
I also got a short video here, if somebody's interested... just a few seconds, but anyway

 

The group that own 088 is where we got a lot of the technical stuff, and where the audio for the 1020 came from. Funnily enough Lukas was helping clean it the week before it went to Dresden! So Its fairly safe to say they know.

 

Great to know, I really admire that
One more incentive to buy!

 

Great, does that mean I can apply for a discount since I already bought this mug from the club?


Jokes aside, that's so great to hear DTG Lukas . In that case I don't even care what it will be sold for in the end, honestly. The railway clubs need every penny they can get these days since the beginning of our decade. Take your time and keep up the great work.

Great, now I'm over-hyped

 

How about it's West German Equivalent the E75 DB BR175? If the devs want one then Main Spessart Bahn/ Haputstrecke Rhein Ruhr/Rhein-Ruhr Osten 1957-1972 that considided with their Electrification at 15kv using the Constant Tension wiring

 

The DB BR118 and there's also the DB BR119. I knew those locos because of my Marklin Catalogues. The DB BR194 is also mentioned in those the Krokodil

 

These locomotives are from the 1920s, way before WWII and the division of Germany.

Either way, there are no routes set while these ran in revenue service, and there aren't any operational locos today, so I don't see how this is going to work.

 

Sadly that's the case for most of this generations electric locos. I'd absolutely love to get my hands on an E16, E17 or E18 to name a few, but there's just no way to build one accurately for TSW.
A somewhat more buildable (and also amazing) option would be an E44
The advantage: It was used for basically anything from passenger services of all kinds to freight and even shunting duty. Very, very versatile.
But it would suffer from the same drawback you mentioned already: No available accurately-dated route... yet.

 

It’s very unfortunate that E18 047 doesn’t have the needed inspections to run anymore as I understand it. Would have loved to see her in real life and would have opened the door for TSW potentially.

As said above though, the lack of an appropriate route is of course a real problem for any of the old ladies. Thankfully, TSG seem keen on expanding vintage German routes, so maybe one day.

 

An E18, E44 and E94 would be an awesome lineup for a route. Imagine a 1970s Bavarian mainline with those locos... plus the occasional 110 and 103 of course.

 

Throw in the V200, Queen of the Diesels

 

Well, luckily, E77 10 is still alive and kicking and it's the predecessor to the E75. Many parts are basically the same, major visual difference is that the E77 was a three frame construction, where the E75 is basically the same innerds stuffed in a single big frame.

So as far as sound recordings and operation goes, it can be done on the E77 10. I wouldn't care if an E75 may sound or behave a tiny bit different than the E77, there are barely any TSW players old enough to have experienced the real thing back in it's day, let alone tell the difference in TSW after 5 decades.

Also while recording and documenting E77 10, might as well just build that loco too or instead since it's still in railtour service on a route we have and the loco actually fits, Tharandter Rampe. Heck, throw in a TOD4 update, updated museum grounds in Dresden-Altstadt and Chemnitz-Hilbersdorf and timetable with layers for the upcoming E94 pack as well and quote 40 € for it.

It'd sell better than the original.

 

While an E75/77 may be theoretically possible, it would be fairly unlikely we would ever do one of them, there isn't a historic route suitable yet and I doubt there will be any time soon. This pack was born from a desire to do a German Krokodile seeing as we had a 1020 already complete (and we may have gotten a bit carried away on that side!), and also a desire to support EZW for their help on the 1020 and help keeping 088 operational for everyone to enjoy.

I'm defintiley not the biggest fan of "Railtour" packs personally, but in this case its more the 194 taking centre stage rather than a pure railtour pack so I'll let it slide!

 

Hoping for some railtours on the Dresden - Chemnitz route, also this could be the chance to add a lot of static stock to the museum. 218, 110, 103, and populate the part.

 

I don't view this upcoming pack as a railtour pack anyway. Sure, the E94 is amazing and I'll drive the heck out of it, and Linke Rheinstrecke is one of my favourites anyway. But with all the other treats included in the bundle, it will make a great foundation for any upcoming backdated routes too! The B4yg and the Gbs both were great choices to pick

Even if the pack wasn't my cup of tea already, I'd buy it for that reason alone. Wish more creators had that mindset

 

Oooo yes! As long as it’s the 220s with maybachs.

 

Well, I wouldn't say no to a 221 along with a retro Allgäubahn or Vogelfluglinie DLC either
But let's not get too greedy, we're already getting a juicy treat with the E94 pack as it is

 

Easy solution for the second one that would be the entire Bahnstrecke Hamburg Lübeck Puttgarden Vogelfluglinie west german section. The problem for that one is straightforward Eisenbahnfähre Puttgarden yard because it needs the following locomotives to work on it 212/290/294. Remember the line was opened in 1963 for the Puttgarden Lübeck segment. Easy example for it there were commemoration stamps that opened the route.

 

Main Spessart Bahn 1970s remember it was only electrified some 13 years before that in 1957 the entire route. Main Spessart Bahn 70er Jahre pack E18 E44 E94 110 140 141 150 151. Alternatively Salzburg Rosenheim 70er Jahre 70s era although it's going to need Austrian locomotives after period

 

Can't wait

 

New screenshots from the e94 pack!

 

It is nice to see a 103 paired with its proper coaches

 

Agreed.... But does that include a Restaurant or QuickPik car?? Which would make things complete.

 

Don't forget that TSG is not a big company with unlimited resources. As long as there is no proof for it, assume it won't include that.

 

the problem is dtg and tsg never added bordbistro wagons to any of there br101/br103 dlc they have made which in my opinion a weird decicion bc in ts classic there is multible variants of the bordbistro wagon

 

It TSC you also don't have to detail them out perfectly and make them interactable. I have no numbers to prove it, but if I'd have to guess I said that doing a passenger coach in tsw takes like 5 times longer and more ressources than doing the same coach in tsc.

 

The coaches layer in from Mittenwaldbahn. So no Quick Pick or Restaurant car.

We'll get Umbauwagen though, a whole new type of coach which opens up so much more possibilities than restaurant cars.

It'd be nice to have restaurant cars, sure, but personally, I wouldn't spend much time in them anyway since I'm already in the cab of the engine driving the train. And since there's no conductor mode on InterCity trains with two stops and no restaurant car mini game, other than knowing they exist, I don't need them really. I'd rather take new coach builds, cab cars etc.

 

Along with the GWE remaster this is the most eagerly awaited DLC and will be a rare Day One for me.

As regards a vintage German route, as a fan of classic traction again I would Day One it. Doesn’t need to be a 60 or 70km mega route either, a shorter stretch of secondary railway or even a branch line would serve nicely.

 

My "impossible dream" is the Ammergaubahn in the 1960s with E 69s and Umbaue and Silberlinge. Never happen I'm afraid: 24 km, one train, straight A-B run at 40(!) km/h. But a guy can dream! (And the scenery is fantastic)

 

I'd buy that one instantly.
Alas it won't ever be happening, as you said. The route is too slow for most people's tastes, and four small but intricate new locos would have to be created... after all, the four E69 were very different among each other, more like a family than a class
Plus, all the other rolling stock would need at least new liverys to sport the correct markings and colour schemes of the era (Silberlinge with black lower frame for example).
Also, we'd need some new assets like the unique catenary masts of the route...
Way too much work for such a beautiful and interesting but rather unknown route, I fear.

 

Well, adapting the existing Mittenwald Silberlinge wouldn't be that hard: really just a color change from blue to black on the frames and markings (and the markings themselves adjusted for the period, but post-1968 would eliminate most of that problem). Vastly less work than was already done backdating the Mintlinge/Rotlinge to the old interiors and doors (and brakes). And we are getting Umbaue. We even have, from Niddertalbahn, some of the correct freight stock for 05 to pull.

But you're right, all the 69s were different (although 02 and 03 were near-twins, at least). And, yes, the very cool 1905 power masts would have to be made, and you couldn't use Google Earth for the trackage because DB ripped out half of it a few years ago.

I suppose it could be set in 1981, right before they were retired. (Although then to be correct there would also be 141s on the line)

 

I like the mechanism of e94 , cant wait to see more on TSW . A good platform to operate resistor loco
etc. class 76/77 , EF60 , Ge/Alco boxcab

 

I'm still wondering about this particular sentence in the April roadmap, especially the highlighted part:

If I recall correctly, the 218 DLC only consisted of the 218 itself and the diesel version of the n-Wagen cab car. And the corresponding timetables, of course.
Which part of it could be of use here, then?
If it's the 218, this would mean that we'll get a backdated version... and I'm all here for it
And if it's the cab car, which loco would be there to combine it with? The only suitable and already existing ingame one, is the 218...

As mentioned before, having the 218 on this route would definitely fit and make sense for some of the services.

I'm very curious about this

 

So $64k question then, what do we estimate this is going to cost? I can't see something as comprehensive and well made as this selling for the standard £12 non route DLC price. On the other hand if they pitch up to the expert 101 level price that will put many off. So I'm going to start the ball rolling and suggest this will be selling for £23 (or equivalent in Euros/US$).

 

Considering it's quite a bundle of stuff we're going to get in this pack, and a percentage of the revenue is gonna be donated to EZW, I too could imagine this to be priced at around €30 / £23.
If we're going to get even more in this pack than we currently know about (see my post above regarding the 218 mystery), the price might even go up to a full new route price...

 

I am too. At the very least the 218 would need an ivory/ blue repaint- although at that time a lot of DB diesels were still running in purpurrot, which would be awesome (and a gateway to Epoch III)

I venture they would run the wireless lines that in the 1996 timetable are handled by 628s, and quite likely some freight as well (though I suspect IRL those routes were covered by VT 95 Uerdingens)

 

Both of those liveries would be amazing... the 218 is one of those locos which look good in almost any colour scheme
But reworking the 218 to a 1984-accurate one would mean even more work than that... Indusi instead of PZB, no EBuLa, a different driver's seat, clock on the dashboard, different front window sealings... lots of such small-ish stuff

Pretty much, and more. Basically anything which goes from Mainz via Gau-Algesheim towards Bad Kreuznach, Saarbrücken, Kaiserslautern and so on. But also the services from Koblenz to Boppard (done by 110 in the current timetable), because they usually continue on the very, very steep diesel branch towards Emmelshausen.
And yes, also various freight services especially in the southern part between Bingen and Mainz

 

I’d love to see more timetables for the BR 218 in general, and for Niedertalbahn in particular. 218 is the best locomotive in the game for me.