Frankfurt S-bahn Discussion

TSW is the worst Game i ever saw or Played on Xbox Series X, Same goes to Fernbus Simulator from Aerosoft.
Both Games suck on console

 

The PC release of GTA V had much higher traffic and pedestrian density, and higher-res textures, than the console version

 

Who said I was offended? lol.

The DLCs cost the same no matter how much money you pay for the machine you play it on.

High end PCs should LOOK better, not have more features for the same price. Surely that's a good compromise

 

But you can play the same amount of different cars.

 

...sure, mammoth train stations like Frankfurt/Main are both a blessing and a curse. Frankfurt, in particular, was a passionate project for DTG Lukas, which is why it was implemented for TSW. At the same time, it pushes the PC and console hardware to their limits. But such mammoth projects can also push developers and programmers to improve the optimization of the entire game. So it also offers a learning effect on what and how things can be made more efficient in the future, from which everyone benefits.

Sure, PC gamers can and should get more out of it than more limited console gamers thanks to bigger specs. But in the end, both factions pay the same price. If you approach it intelligently from a marketing perspective, you could at least console gamers reassure them that there will be a free PS6 or Xbox Next update for these types of routes in the future. That would calm the heated debate. ...and this future could begin as early as the end of 2027, with experts at Digital Foundry already speculating about 24GB of RAM for a future PS6.

 

It's not unheard of for more substantial cuts to be made, there's several Switch titles with cut content, Doom 2016 I know lacks Snapmap on that version. While Baldur's Gate 3 for a while lacked multiplayer on Series S, though it apparently got patched in a year or so after launch. But that's rather uncommon, majority of third party developers preferred either porting older titles or making new titles with the Switch as a focus platform in mind for that very reason. While Xbox is often second priority, only below PS5 for most of those same games, its limitations are almost always factored in during development for that reason.

As for pricing you got to bare in mind that just because a lower-tier version of a DLC lacks content doesn't mean that said developments costs are null and void. On the contrary developing a reduced timetable in itself actually does take some degree of dedicated development that would otherwise not be needed if both systems can run the same timetable. From what I understand that's actually a huge reason Switch versions of games don't cost less, it actually takes a lot of time to rework every asset down to a level that the Switch can handle while also trying to retain as much of the original high fidelity look as possible.

 

while a lot of comments in this thread speak reason, I can also see some protoseeds of similar yapping as in the other thread about this route, so before it gets out of hand, here is a helpful channel to vent
https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/enough-is-enough.72535/page-147

 

Have they said what add ons you need for layering?

 

Yes

 

Can you direct me to it please?

 

I have attached a screen shot is that ok.

 

Thank you

 

Does anyone know how close the stations are to each other? Is this a route where you stop regularly, say every 3-5 minutes? Or is this longer? Can't wait to play it!

 

Really depends on the type of service you’re running but from my experience, taking the S8 for years: From Frankfurt Hbf to Mainz Hbf the drive takes 35-40 minutes over 11 stops… so on average it‘s exactly in the 3-5 minute window

 

We already have services that can only be AI service.

Maybe there should be an opposite of this? A service that can only be a player service? So player can still play all the 1000 services, but AI will only use the reduced set - reducing memory footprint. Which is in essence what is generally reduced when it comes to console - scenery and ambient AI... It could also help people with lower spec PC, as the reduced timetables would still offer all the playability of full timetable, just with reduced AI scenery.

And there already is something like this. The RHTT services on Southeastern High Speed will only spawn as AI during autumn, while the player can run it any day.

 

from the imagery we have so far... and the 3rd center light is still there as it appears.

as far as I know the smaller one between the regular lamps is some sort of backup lighting that's definetly not on normally, as you can see in many different images and videos. It just feels unfitting in-game.

 

Hey, really great comparison shots! By the way, the light reflections on the station ceiling at night are caused by colorfully illuminated billboards and other light sources. The reflection settings in the UE in-game footage could be scaled back a bit, and there will be fewer light sources. Ray tracing could do a better job, but it's technically difficult to support with current hardware performance (even for PCs).

Very well observed with the slightly different lighting; the original appears a bit warmer due to a slight yellow tint. The station lighting is baked for performance reasons. It's also possible that different original photos were used, resulting in a lighting discrepancy.

 

The silence in this thread from dtg is more deafening than ever. Bet you they won’t have the balls to show off the route on console tonight- wait, they never do, instead it’s always on a high-end PC instead of what most players use. Yet again, walking away from the problem instead of solving it

 

I have a 4 year old mid-range gaming PC and TSW runs fine on it. You don't need a high-end PC for TSW. You could probably buy what I have for less than £500 now.

 

these trapezoid shaped structures are far too tall, and the station name signs are not lit, that's a misfortune...

comparison image:

they really didn't want to go full throttle for the Fernbahnhof...


so underlit, really a shame

 

Even the S-Bahn PIS is wrong, No Train lenght showing.
And Frankfurt Main Station has no PIS Screens at all on all Platforms DTG Matt
Can You please Check Both issues before Release

 

Not a chance in hell am i buying this on console. Frankfurt was literally empty on the xbox reduced timetable. Unbelievable.

 

The map looks nice, attractive stations, but everything is empty..... I don't understand why they didn't at least leave BR101 + IC coaches in the reduced timetable

More than 400 services with BR430 and then almost nothing... I would definitely understand the reduction more, that instead of 400 services with BR430 there will only be 200 and there will be something around that... it will be uninteresting like that, at least in my opinion.

But it's an S-Bahn map, so it's just an S-Bahn

 

Matt paraphrasing

'"Theres no trains at Frankfurt but at least it doesn't crash."

Just WOW.

 

Watching the stream hardly any trains passed. This is supposed to be an urban busy route. It was honestly boring.

 

That's really the right way...... In my opinion, there will be no so-called only AI train It's a big contrast to the PC version, for the same price.....it doesn't give a good impression

 

As I mentioned, at least trains with BR101 + IC are missing there, and noticeably so.

 

What an absolute joke of an ordeal this has been and will continue to be. We knew the console versions would be reduced which was enough of a problem already, but that level of emptiness is unacceptable for the price we are paying. I’d held out some faint hope that maybe it wouldn’t be as bad as we all thought, how wrong I was. It’s genuinely worse than I expected. This isn’t the consoles being too weak to handle the route, it’s the optimisation (or lack thereof) of the game which is nowhere near where it should be for a video game in 2025, especially with the tools at disposal. Not going to consider getting this route until it’s 50% off in a sale, which on Xbox will be years. Completely lost my passion for this game that had looked so hopeful less than a year ago.

 

Me too. Im totally disillusioned with this franchise and the state of the game. Its got worse and worse over time. Its totally unacceptable.

 

Really liked what I have seen! I must say, I have never seen a stream where I have spotted no obvious signalling errors. Even all indicator lights (Kennlicht) seem to work correctly, really well done.

Only thing I have noticed was the non signalled 60 into platform 2 at Mainz. Irl this should be, in fact, 80, hence the signalling is correct but the speed of the track was not.

Overall nicely modelled, nice stations, nice variety, defiantely an instant buy for me

 

Consoles get done over there was bare ass jobs compared to pc and only passenger services. It will be lonely driving on that route and we still get to pay full price bummer.

 

The amount of people that blindly buy every dlc doesn’t help either. It would help if dtg were actually clear about the quality of each product, it’s obvious that there will be a short note right at the end of the product description saying ‘oh yeah by the way’. Shambles all round

 

Don't watched the stream, at this point we have to wait the fixes in future

 

If this is supposed to be a new direction...they keep talking about game crashes, while, at least for me, the only problem on PS5 Pro is blurry textures, so where are the crashes?...so if this is a new direction, then, let everyone say what they want, it's still just the end of TSW on consoles, even if it may not seem that way to some.

Hopefully they'll find a solution in DTG soon to fix it somehow

 

Yeah, no

 

NO WAY I’m gonna buy this dlc. Do they take us console players for fools?? Paying full price for an empty route and 70% les trains to choose from compared to pc players….. I used to love this game but the way we console players are being treated I have completely lost interest in the game. I aught all console players to let the wallet talk.

 

Shame the vast majority of console players won’t have any idea of how screwed over they’re going to be when they buy the route

 

My Game Crash also Not on Frankfurt Fulda with all Trains
It’s just blurry textures

 

I think that the vast majority of users don't even go to the forums, and they take things as they are ...... how many of us are here, how many of us are solving something? Fifty, what? That's a minority, unfortunately ..... Frankfurt S-Bahn is in its current version for consoles, so-called return to trees

 

The route looked great on the PC timetable and was what I was looking forward to intitally when I heard the route was coming out, but it is worse than I had feared for the Console timetable. Very underwelming feeling if you were to drive an ICE-T into an empty Frankfurt Hbf. I am leaning towards a no buy until a very competitive sale comes along.

 

I understand they are working on a solution, but I'd advise console players to hold off until we get it - it will demonstrate the importance of solving the issue.

 

I think it would be fair for DTG to give a discount for the launch on Xbox and PS platforms..... because this is really too much for my taste. Although I believe they are trying to solve it, it has been solved for practically 9 months now and without result

 

We can only wish for a discount

 

maybe in a few months, maybe

 

Try a few years lol

 

I won't buy this DLC even at a discount. That's HMA 2. Another busy train station without trains and abandoned railway tracks. But then again, we powerful PC owners can't blame our slow consoles with leaky video memory for holding back the development of this game.

 

I’ve got a pc that can run it but I won’t be buying it because of what it represents.

 

Honestly, looking for a discount isn't the approach. That won't help. The best thing is to wait.

 

I say fellow console players, let’s boycott this route and show DTG what 2/3rd of the player base not buying would be like for business

 

It doesn't even need to be as serious as a boycott. Just hold off until it's solved - they are working on it, so let's encourage them to. Because we don't want limited console timetables on TSW6.