Liveries Hookhaul. Railnex Groups.

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  1. jplayz1151

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    Update:
    The main components of the Arriva part of the livery is complete. I only need to get the advanced coupling mechanism complete before I make any changes prior to adding branding, etc... This livery is using the ATW base to create a what if scenario for HH x RN, but I will provide pictures before I add the branding as part of my application, with pictures of the branding also being included
     
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    you can always DM me buddy ;) but don't rush the project, keep it relaxing hahaha
     
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    Hehe no worries. I thought I'd just check in case just so I'm respecting your privacy. Yeah I'll try giving you some details on how the 57 is going as well as future projects I hope to make as well.
     
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    i feel honored that you are going to use my creations and am very curious which ones you are going to use haha.

    i understand that you can't make liveries for HH RN because you are busy. it doesn't matter much but i have enough routes that i can have fun on :)
     
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    Yeah. I'll try make something happen for you :).

    TG08 :).
     
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    As promised, here's a small WIP shot which shall be included as part of my application
    Photo from Jahvell.jpg
     
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    i see where this is going and i kinda like it, I love the diversity in the UK and EU fleet :) i'm curious when the logos will be on there :) if you need any tips you can always ask ;)
     
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    Thank you. There's still more to be done, but I have a solid foundation now :D. Yes that's something I'm still deciding so I guess you'll find out soon enough. Like my nickname given to me by Rigsby, I'm mysterious by nature and by decision making so it could be somewhere you least expect it ;) Cheers for your offer though. I may need help with both yours and Rigsby's logos just so that it can be as close to both of your liveries as possible

    Take care,
    Mr Mystery lol (JPlayz)
     
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    Hello.

    Sorry in my delayed response.

    To clear up any confusion about who is responsible for what area of the businesses is as follows.

    HH,RN UK. The TSLP contract under the HH Group. (All UK based side is under my control)
    Then for HH, RN EU, then this is a sub contract agreement with speedfreak the owner of RAILNEX.
    He like I with his Logo has the same control over the HH,RN EU sector.
    Speedfreak has total control over HH,RN EU, not I.

    I am solely responsible for the HOOKHAUL Group of Companies as I am to Operations Director for HH,RN UK, only.
    If you wish to do work under the HH,RN, EU Brands or Branding then I have no control or obligation in the agreement set by Myself and speedfreak to offer you any work under those conditions stated above.

    Therefore I ask you to submit any proposal of application to the right person in charge of the relevant company or department.

    I must state that part of the original contract agreement between HH and RN does say we can request either division be HH,RN, UK and HH,RN, EU to demand or request more stock based on each company business demands.

    This is so any CEO under tight operating circumstances can demand either party to provide the necessary support they need.
    Thus if ever there should a case of this I and speedfreak can use all resources under our control or seek more members to deal with what company needs the assistance most.

    As I am sure you are aware you’re currently working within the TSLP Paint shop division. The HH contract for R200 Project.
    There I believe you are under the guidance of a TG08 a sub contractor not a member of my company.

    Meaning any work we give can or have knock on effects else where.
    To avoid these conflicts of interests then I shall be making arrangements soon to discuss matters with TG08.

    Hopefully we can find a resolution so all can move forward in what we seek.

    I shall email Bernard now to follow up our promise to assist you this once.

    As always I thank you for your patience and understanding.
    If you do have any further questions then please feel free to contact me here at anytime.

    Rigsby.
     
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    Hey speedfreak I know you work so in simple terms I can assist with you Jpayz if speedfreak need that assistance.
    As I say speedfreak works I don’t.

    The Relax part:)

    Rigsby.
     
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    Thanks TG08.

    Speedfreak work is amazing so why not use it.

    Just my opinion though.

    Rigsby.
     
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    Mmmmmmmmm:)

     
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    See, now have something to play with Mister Mystery:)

    Create:)

    Uh! Where’s He gone!. Hahaha.



    PS, Everything happens for a reason;)
     
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    Update:
    The numbering for 57315 has since been moved.
     
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    Just so this clearer is all for me to follow, your just doing this as individual work and NOT on instructions from TG08?.

    Not R200 based?.

    Is this right?

     
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    Yes so this is my own work as part of my application. If I'm not accepted, this shall be my own work, with adjustments being made such as adding the Arriva Trains Wales branding
     
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    Oh I'll post a reference photo I'm working off of.

    Here we are:
    [​IMG]
     
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    Okay.

    What about this. I’m doing the 87s as a quick job for a few days. Lighten the mood. If I go now they will all be done.
    I’m free to work on MK3s and anything TG08 has for the R200. That is my agreement to support him due to recent events.
    So if am to do this let’s make what you are doing part of R200 on the freight side.

    As CEO of HH,RN Uk then why not have that company or even RAILNEX Uk at the event?.
    I have asked speedfreak is he would like a 87 for RAILNEX UK.

    All this is stemming from a comment made by TG08 in having other companies at the event because of that issue with GBRf.
    But TG08 GBRf will now be at the event. So game on now;)

    I’m taking a risk you will have all HOOKHAUL UK, RAILNEX UK, and GBRf and those 66s that started it all off.
    Back to Basic TG08.

    TG08 you ask I support and supply. So 87s done. Then back to business on MK3s get you shorted out Jplayz and TTB and let get this done.

    Sound like a plan Jplayz, TG08?.

    I am committed to this approach as Project Leader.

    Rigsby.
    ✌.

    PS anything we do now wish to discus in detail could it be kept for the meeting room.
    Just after this morning that’s all:)

    Tar.
     
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    I could try this. I might make a copy of the livery when it's done before I add the decals for R200 as well as some other visual updates. The livery itself should be out by the end of the week, meaning that I can make a start on the R200 side next week
     
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    Could you half the body. Cut the blue curves. Then run white next to the light blue. Then do the body red?.
    You could introduce Rail 200 theme then.

    Along the lines of this.
    IMG_2225.jpeg
    Be bold and creative, if nothing is obvious then force an idea to then build on.
    That AFW will sit nicely then with R200.

     
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    Ok we can move away from here and discuss at an appropriate time for a meeting.

    We need direction now.

    Okay I’m off from here. (R200)

     
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    That's a good point. I think Direct Rail Services actually took on the ATW as well as the Virgin 57s so this could work. Maybe I'll try the virgin one as well for R200. I'll see how this goes first
     
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    There you go then, directions as you have something to work with not look for.

    And if it’s to be part of R200 work then again we me and TG08 can factor all this in, make arrangements and get it done.

    Okay I’m off.

     
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    No worries. I'll speak to you later,
    JPlayz
     
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  25. speedfreak#6380

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    I like the idea that it is a taken over locomotive with other brand logos stuck on it :) You see it more often

    we have Arriva in the Netherlands too but it doesn't do freight services
     
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    Yeah. A lot of UK liveries are actually like this so I'm glad you seem to like the prospect of that :D

    Yes I've heard of that. I'm not sure. I know Arriva mostly operates in passenger services. In the UK that includes Grand Central which is an open access company.
     
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    Hello some quick information for you.

    It’s quite self explanatory just blocks behind blocks. I’ve placed those blocks in different colours so you can see what I am on about.
    I have provided two colours to for quick reference.
     

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    … and that it’s really.
    Got a lot on at mo, Im sure this quick reference of information can assist you:)

    Speak later JPlayz, or “The Archer” ;)

    Rigsby.
     

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    Early morning delivery:)

    It’s the best I do could with hitting max decals. Not enough for more text unfortunately:(

    IMG_3747.jpeg IMG_3748.jpeg IMG_3749.jpeg IMG_3750.jpeg

    More work to come from the TSLP Paint Shops:)

    Bernard.
     
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    Enjoy.
    IMG_3802.jpeg IMG_3803.jpeg IMG_3804.jpeg IMG_3805.jpeg IMG_3806.jpeg
    Catch you soon Brother.

     
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    Hey speedfreak, imagine:)
    IMG_3904.jpeg IMG_3909.jpeg IMG_3910.jpeg Had more time to watch a video done by Rudy. I love what He does so yes imagine your work on YT and for Rudy’s YT channel.
    The best videos I’ve seen by miles just because it’s all set in a natural environment.

     
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    well that is definitely cool yeah. he can of course use those liveries that are online from RN/HH EU UK :D i would love that
     
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    Check his bio on YT. I think he’s from Netherlands:) if so even better for you.

    I’d share more links of The Simtrain Tube channel but I know DTG can be a little fun I’ve heard.
    But go check the videos on YouTube. Seriously it’s a good find mate, relaxing too.
    I really want to see more videos from Rudy. Yet the quality of his work doesn’t take five minutes to achieve that level of quality.

    Fingers, Toes and my ,,,,,lol are crossed for more content like the WCML line tho.
    Love the Channel.

    Night mate.
    A little push on 66 713 first tho:)

     
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    thats just awesome to see ! i love it :D i think rigsby should get credit too because his logo is on it after all. but just really cool to see this !
     
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    It is as I did say to TG08 about doing a little HH/RN project yet wasn’t fully interested and that’s fair if focusing on own work.

    So yes it is nice to see and wish there could have been more, yet without going to deep speedfreak all this was discussed ages ago.
    Thinking of the future today for when R200 ended. Because freight was and is something I will be fully committed to trust me I will.
    If we had the same structure as a working team then we all could have benefited, not just one.

    Sad because yes I own the HH EU logo as you Own RAILNEX UK. That’s agreed so if TG08 fails out with me then do I give him rights of use to HH EU logo one that I own even HH UK. Even rights then of HH,RN UK. As again you know that we both agreed you have full control over HH/RN, EU and I have no say on how you go about operating your company.
    Same for you towards HH,RN UK. But we do have a say who has permission of use on logos.

    Does TG08 even respect that?.

    And why being involved with our thread and what me and speedfreak set out to do which is have fun and see what happens,
    would have been TG08 getting that direct permission and his respect to the logo owners.
    It why I email every company now.

    Here tho I feel that been circumnavigated and all that we set up on this thread has been disregarded especially of recent events on R200.

    So yes it’s one of them, it’s nice that TG08 did that as to be fair we did discuss privately but could we have not done more like what we see as a team. Guess not a:( edit.

    But speedfreak here’s something I found for you.
    https://www.google.com/url?q=https:...kQFnoECF4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw2pmI5lU1wq99VUQ59GLq7e

    It’s quite hard to be fair to find an overseas forum due to location constraints on google searches.

    Hope you find it interesting tho.

    And a little update on a few of the class 66s in production for HH,RN UK and others;) well I’ve hit a few bug issues like this here.

    IMG_4553.jpeg IMG_4554.jpeg IMG_4555.jpeg A brand new DLC and a new master set up. Yet hit the mirror issue you see similar to the classic 66 one with the loops.
    The mood I’m in didn’t help how I felt about these concerns on a product and ofter sales left on old or recent feedback.
    Bit to soon to pass any comment on this morning’s feedback to DTG staff topic related threads to be fair.

    Anyway I feel it’s a somber atmosphere for me personally because of situation I face.
    Don’t want to bring you down tho speedfreak so don’t worry somethings in the works for you;)
    I’ve not forgotten your requests.

    Hope all is good and that too.
    We’re still Brothers:)

    Lee✌.
     
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    yeahh mate that's a lot and I don't really know what to say about it.. if you're upset about tg08 doing this then you better talk to him about it. you're taking it too seriously and too personally.. you shouldn't do that man just have fun and whoever participates is participating. tg08 couldn't spend his time making constant scenarios for RN HH, because he wants to make his own stuff I respect that.. however someone else could have just downloaded my livery and made a scenario out of it.. it's free to download.. but they're not allowed to publish the logos themselves or modify them in LE without permission. what people do with downloaded liveries we can't say much about it because we put them online on cc ourselves.

    but thnx for the link mate and it says some interesting stuff :)

    and it's a shame to see that this loc also suffers from a bug, that doesn't make it really fun if it's also a new DLC.. DTG never responded to my ticket again and I think my chance was lost the first time because I saw their response too late! so I created a new ticket about the bugs in LE but you don't hear them about it anymore.. I hope you have more success with your ticket.. but good to see that you're doing freight now and you know that I'm always very curious :) I myself am still very busy with realistic companies and still have some projects going on that really need to be finished
     
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    I’m not upset at TG08 for doing anything as again I had this conversation with him about being involved.
    Reason why well Rudy. Not me Rudy. I felt that if we had a way for TG08 to be the super star he wanted then I said if we gave TG08 and Rudy exclusive rights of use then they again what TG08 used if my work or your work could have been used by Rudy for his Mega Project.

    As yes your right anyone can use our work but why avoid away for it to be structured and why because of my fear of what’s happening or happened. Conflict. I made an agreement with Rudy so I didn’t make live hard because he prefers the quiet live.
    All I asked him and he agreed upon was to film what R200 film and why if TG08 did get involved with HH,RN UK, EU the his scenario with some of our work could then have simply been filmed at Rudys discretion not on instructions or demands.
    As he is a part of R200 but not directly involved so again I try remove him from any direction from me nor him to me.

    So yes I want you to know that yes I respected TG08s decision a month ago. Yet seen the conflict it could cause and has by simply not working as a team.

    Non of it is for my gain. Work for TG08, scenario gets filmed TG08 gets credit and then Rudy has some cool or exclusive work from us.
    Might help Rudy gain more fees and thus any work or scenario seen.

    That’s gone now tho all because I did respect TG08s decision which just completely made the R200 Project more unbalanced.
    No commitment to what I discussed and I respect that, TG08 and I have to respect with no commitment then things will fail.

    I knew and why I tried to prevent it months ago. Again I did respect TG08. Yet the opportunity of what I suggested above was for all not just me.
    I like the quiet life, simple and no stress. The whole purpose of our agreement on setting this thread up and subbing work out.
    We sub to those interested and like I said to everyone I’ll try supporting them by joining a wider team with bigger opportunities available also. Not to man manage, give or take orders from because again it’s about having fun adding when we can.

    No direction but as TG08 and others where my teams mates I gave these people first dibs out of respect for my team mates.
    That’s all.

    Anyway what has gone on shouldn’t interfere here. My bug lies with TG08 on why as agreed with all R200 members would only intervene if something isn’t right. That’s all R200 related issues not here.
    All I will say tho for bringing this up then I do apologise yet I have many agreements and statements I must stick to when it involves R200.
    It’s all I am and was doing. Because I’m quite happy to walk away from everything if it prevents me enjoying my passion because as you say we are all completely free.

    But for man to be truly free they must be controlled. Why else would we have a government or even speed limits;)
    You’re free to go from A to B yet in a controlled manner. Not free.
    With no system in place are we free or uncontrolled.
    Place a system in and we’re free to control what we need for success be as a team or individual.
    Either way no one is truly free and for something to work takes the unity or mankind to build a civilisation. A Team and why were all here today.

    We control ourselves thus our destiny no matter how little or large that dream or vision is.
    I can only try:)

    Right I’m sorry but I’m in a strange mood today and if so that will be the end of that now.
    On here anyway as it’s wrong of me to drag you into this.

    I’m sorry speedfreak.

    You crack on because I’ve seen some of your latest work, the problem with your side sounds poor so hope you get that resolved as I haven’t raised a ticket I went to a thread where a product page is set up for any product feedback.
    So I tried there first as all the tickets etc gets me all confused and stressed out.

    If I do raise a ticket then I will raise all issues you and I have both faced recently.
    It’s most certainly delayed any plans I had for the freight side so had to change tac. I’m now left with a problem product I will get no enjoyment out of on LD. So if this was a review then it be no stars because I can’t use it for what I bought it for LD.
    Waste of money again and kinda of looks bad on DTG when I know it’s not necessarily their fault but surely have a say if reviewers do have negative opinions about a 3rd party product. I buy products what DTG publishes in good faith so do feel let down as a customer when 3 products and old products are sold with bugs in them.

    It will put any customer off buying any DTG products especially at full price anyway if they feel that product is just not worth the money.
    And I’m not too sure if these cargo packs are meeting consumers expectations. Not when someone has 20quid and for 25 quid buy the ultimate or deluxe edition. I feel the sales affect the volume packs so to sell well they have to be faultless for customers to really bite.

    Yet they are on 5 volume now so people must like them.

    Right I’ll leave ya be then mate.
    Catch ya soon.

     
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