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To be honest and with all due respect and kudos to the guys & gals that created and worked on the route, it looks great on the PS5 (and I am sure series X & S), but thats it. Theres nothing special about the route due to the timetable compared to the likes of Dresden - Riesa, Frankfurt Fulda, MSB or RSN, or any other German route The 430 looks great and its a nice addition for driving the ICE services but from my point of view, but its nothing special.

For those on Low end PC''s I would recommend the reduced timetable
For those on PS5 and Xbox series X/S I would definitly recommend that you DONT use Dynamic Weather.

But its your game you paid for it .....

Hentis

 

Appreciate your candour Anthony. It was always my fear apart from the different scenery in terms of gameplay this would bring little to the German urban driving experience we don’t already have on several other routes, notably RRO. Despite being keen, part of me is thinking now wait for at least 20% off in a sale. More of a £25 route than a £30 one.

 

I see that the reduced edition has changed to the standard timetable for consoles...... one word and the problem is actually solved

 

I think you misunderstand. The standard timetable IS the reduced timetable.

 

Get exactly what you mean. Guess there will be a last minute patch on PC claiming the "big" timetable is the Special or Enhanced one.

 

It's just for marketing purposes.
Why you would want to sell a product with a in-game feature labeled " reduced " ?
It's just the wording changed.. the timetable is still the reduced one.

 

But of course I understand that, that's why I mentioned it..... and that solves the problem with console players, now they can't say they have something "less"....

 

Standard? I don’t know whether to laugh or cry or get angry. I know it will mean it’s the standard timetable for release but it’s the wrong word for it. Standard implies normality. It isn’t though. It is the normal timetable, one you would reasonably expect to appear in a TSW route with the available stock and reflecting the route’s reality, with things purposefully removed from it for performance reasons. It should have definitely still been called a reduced timetable because that is what it is and what it reflects compared to the reality of the route, a reduced amount of traffic and services. I really hate it when there’s obvious and misleading marketing used. Just call it what it really is. It turns out I did know whether to laugh or cry or get angry, it was the angry.

 

Typical.

 

To me it will always be a reduced timetable. I think you can almost call it a modern day Rapid Transit.
I dont understand why we cant even have 10 freight (apparently thats all that goes along the route) services in the timetable added? Surely its not that much of a timetable issue. I mean I was down to what 18fps approaching Frankfurt in the ICE but I am sure that the freight doesnt go all the way to Frankfurt does it? Else where along the route the FPS is decent.

Hentis

 

That would take time and effort, and time is money. Expect no updates to the timetable now.

 

I would tell you differently. There will be no full console schedule, no sales. No sales, no money.

 

I basically said that...

 

The only question is how many of us will have this opinion...... I think a lot of people will buy it anyway, they don't even have to be members of this forum......

 

Anyone who bought the HMA DLC on console will definitely not buy this DLC with the standard timetable. And anyone who does should enjoy the empty DLC without rail traffic.

 

I still think that even in this reduced version of the operation, the textures will be blurred, if only because there are Dostos there and they are always the first to have a problem and also according to various experiments they are one of the sources of the load, but I would like to be wrong... I am curious about the feedback in the feedback thread

 

The uncoupling doesn't work for me. I can connect the vehicles, but I can't separate them. I can insert and turn the uncoupling key, but nothing happens.

 

So far I havent seen one bit of blurry textures, TSW 5 both pre release and updated release version on PS5 installed on 2TB SSD. Even when I was streaming yesterday afternoon. Although having said that it did crash on me last week. This was when I accidentally forgot to take of dynamic weather and running an ICE service into Frankfurt it had started raining just before the turn off for Frankfurt Airport station. By the time I was on the outskirts of Frankfurst HBF it was the biblical type of heavy rain and Lightning and Thunder. Unfortunately my PS5's framerate hit about 5 on the entry into Frankfurt and went See ya later!! L:iterally I heard the playstation say See ya later!!

Lesson learnt. Although I did a run in my livestream yesterday afternoon in the ICE and not raining Custom weather and a wee bit of cloud and on entering the main station I was hitting 18fps (dont forget I was also streaming). And I still didnt see any blurry textures. Also looking at my mates stream from a few minuites ago I didnt see any sign of blurry textures (he was on a PS5 Slim).

Hentis

 

Do I understand correctly that you had the S Bahn Frankfurt map in advance for testing? Try to focus on the white stripes on the Dostos car, it's usually always the first one there ......

 

The Route itself is very nice but it really lacks of variety of traffic on consoles. This is an Example what Frankfurt Flughafen Fernbahnhof looks in Reality. I hope DTG can optimise memory usage on consoles so that we can get the same timetable as PC.

 

Yep as an ambassador I get it early to create content, ready for the lifting of the embargo so you guys can see it usually the day before release..
I will keep an eye on the Dostos when I am on TSW next.

Hentis

 

The emergency solution is a custom scenario, I tried it on Frankfurt Fulda, but I encountered limited train routing options, practically one route Frankfurt Fulda with the possibility of boarding for passenger trains and then with the Darmstadt and Kassel portal it was possible to route freight trains a little, but really very limited...it was no longer possible to terminate the train in Wasterbach and send it back to Frankfurt etc.......or I have not discovered all the scenario planning options

 

We've now had two patches with performance improvements (which seem to have borne fruit at least for this PS5 player), with apparently more to come in TSW6.

Please then, please, can DTG look into releasing the full timetables for Gen 9 consoles. At least try. Remember that we can turn individual layers off now, and in TSW6 they will be off by default.

I really really want to play this route and get the full experience, and I can't be alone. If you're a console player and feel the same, or just support this, please like and/or signal boost this idea.

 

Very clear why they do not give all the layers for Gen9 as well. Its not to make fun of it and reduce the Gen9 as well its needed and for everyone who is asking why... There is the reality check!

 

It is possible to play GEN9 with the full timetable on the S Bahn by performing a certain technique, the result is that after 30 seconds the game will crash due to lack of memory. I can explain the methodology if you want

 

You need to have a PC with TSW5 via Xbox App PC, in the PC game you have to start the full timetable and then save the game. Now you just have to play on an Xbox S/X console connected to the same account as the PC to be able to load the save

 

This is exactly the reason DTG gave for not releasing this route for gen 9. Even with options to toggle layers on or off, you get instant (or very quick) crashes. Not just lower framerates or blurring. Mind you, I still don't like not having the full experience on PS5, but apparently it's just not possible.

Edit: also clear that DTG have chosen far less complex base routes for TSW6 compared to TSW6. Probably to prevent the issues they had with WCML and Frankfurt-Fulda (the latter still having quite some issues).

 

It's funny, but my potato PC (i5 13400f - 32gb DDR4 - RX6700XT 12gb) the route shows a fairly good level of performance in the full schedule - 70-100 fps, with delays only in Frankfurt when there is not enough 12 GB of video memory.

 

True, in general you can get much higher performance on a PC. But then you have to spend a multiple of the price of a console on the kit.

 

And yet it is strange that DTG could not fit into the 16 GB of console memory for the full schedule.

 

Maybe they still can't. But the game has improved. Frankfurt - Fulda, WCML, London - Commuter, all run better now, and this is before TSW6. The Koeln - Aachen timetable hasn't remotely been a problem.

So all I'm asking is: please try.

 

It was mentioned here that DTG chose simpler routes for TSW6, probably from a certain point of view yes, however I want to point out that on the map Dresden - Riesa there is blurring of textures on PS5, so I am curious whether there will be any improvement on the extended map Dresden - Leipzig, and I do not consider the solution that the layers will have to be turned off to avoid problems to be a very optimistic solution.

It is also mentioned here that the map Frankfurt S-Bahn would cause fatal crashes, I do not know, I do not own this map for the reasons mentioned above, i.e. the limited traffic. But I wonder what makes this map so much more demanding than, for example, Frankfurt Fulda, I do not experience crashes on FTF, only blurred textures .....

 

Pc has separate vram and memory. Console does not.

 

The hardest part of the route is Frankfurt main station. Lots of trains at the station and on the way to the station. Depot with standing trains next to the station. I haven't run the stripped down console schedule, but I suspect that's where things are severely stripped down. The rest of the route is content with 11GB of video memory and probably a dozen GB of RAM. At the same time, there are a lot of trees and buildings close to the tracks on the route. You are essentially driving through the city.

 

My layman's view rather tells me that the Frankfurt - Fulda route should be a bigger problem than the Frankfurt S-Bahn, but I could be wrong and I probably am...... but it's a shame that it's not possible to have a full timetable, but we can't do anything......

 

I understand that. But on consoles, you can lower the graphics quality settings and/or resolution to fit into the limited memory. Many developers do this for console versions of games.

 

This report is outdated. For me (PS5pro) I haven't had a single crash on that route/at that area since the last Updates. The full timetable on Gen9 consoles is overdue!

 

There is a reason for that.... You did not have the full timetable so its very likely that that is saving you from trouble.