Route West Coast Main Line: London Euston - Milton Keynes - Feedback

Sorry if this has been posted before, but is it normal that on a lot of timetable services into euston, there are no passengers getting off. I'm using TSW5 on PS5. Despite all the poor reviews on this route, it's become ( as a newcomer) one of my favorites. Had a great run with a 710 into Euston, with 3 390's waiting to get into the station.

 

I would feel that they are taking measures if they could fix the phenomenon in the photo in this thread as quickly as possible. I just hope that the developers don't think of it as a minor bug.

 

The more I encounter the more frustrated I get.
Still no Buzz back from the Guard on the 350 and 390 when closing doors as per IRL.
350 PIS for AI trains still state 'Not in'
390 AI Pantographs are raised at the Front of the train when it should be at the Rear.
Tho when selecting a 390 service and spawn in the Pantograph is correctly set at the Rear.

Still again Lack of passengers really ruins the route for me.

 

It's safe to say this route has been forgotten about....just like all the other flagship routes.

 

It's always questionable if your ticket will be resolved in game if it's not a stated problem on the forums, which can be better in my opinion. But ok I'm a positive person and want to thank DTG for solving a problem I encountered and made a ticket for earlier for this route. So thanks to DTG for solving the problem were I couldn't finish the Heavy Traffic scenario due a sticky objective progress on XboxX .

PS: saw later on this issue was mentioned in this thread.

 

Hi there.

Enjoying the route a lot, on both PS5 and PS4.

Only thing that keeps me from driving the 350 is the fact that it comes to a sudden stop once the speed is 3 mph or lower. Like some form of autobrake.

Now I am not 100% sure if something like this exists IRL but in the game the whole cab moves back and forth (which would probably be very uncomfortable for the passengers). Thus, it would be great if DTG could look again into the braking behaviour of the 350 on the last metres. Thank you!

 

It's like it in reality.

 

When walking through the 350, there appears to be invisible barriers at certain doors (specifically when going from first to standard class). Takes a few minutes to let you through.

 

Why do all ai trains say not in. Also what is with aws going into Euston every time I get penalty brakes no matter what speed im doing. Mainly on platforms 8-12.

 

Sounds like you're getting an overspeed penalty brake application by the TPWS, not AWS. You need to be under 15mph as those grids will put the brakes on if doing more.

 

Since the update today, 02-06.2025, i am unable to move up in scenarios. Everytime i need to couple a train ( Class 350 ), i get it done, but to get moving with it is a other question, nomatter what i do, the train wont move. I have this already in two scenarios:

- Back in Service, coupled up with the 4 cars at Euston, swap cabin, then i cant move anymore.
- Heavy Traffic, all good till watford junktion, swap cabins, and no moving anymore
I am on X-Box Series X

 

I hate to say it but without the scenery and timetable mods which the talented modders have created, this route would have been sitting on the shelf and collecting dust for me a long time ago.

Before I downloaded the timetable mods, I could count on both hands the (very little) amount of AI traffic I would see passing from one end of the route to the other. I’d actually pay for the (free) modded timetable, given how much of an improvement it is over the skeleton base timetable.

The base route offerings is simply unacceptable so I can see why people who don’t have access to mods are annoyed at the state of both the route and timetable.

 

Last night I drove class 710 2C15 08:58 WJN-EUS.
When I approached Euston, I noticed several trains stuck at reds. Euston was totally snarled up! Of course, I was brought to a red light, several out from EUS.
Exploring the map, I found a train stopped across a set of points just outside EUS, and another nearby (nearly touching) stopped with a status message to the effect of stopped to avoid a collision.
Deleting the train stopped on the junction eventually freed things up.
I've not noticed this kind of thing before on this route and wonder whether it's linked to the recent update.
A most unsatisfactory run which wound me up rather than relaxing me which is what I play the game for.

 

As a Console user I can't recall the last time I went on the route. The times I did it was usually to drive one of the Watford DC services.

I'm envious of the mods that PC gamers have created and can be played, However I can't afford a PC so it is what it is.

 

As a core route sold with TSW5 it speaks volumes as to what a juicy fat turd WCML south is and how little DTG care.

 

Two things playing the PS5 version.

1. People now on the track at H&W on the slow lines at the Euston end of the platforms.

2. the sense of incompleteness this route offers without the 390 or 710 bundled in. I can kind of understand the former, but other than the stretch from QP to H&W with the Bakerloo stock, you cannot actually experience what the DC Lines have to offer. So IMHO the 710 should also have been bundled with the basic route to give a playable DC Lines timetable. DTG should have thought of that when conceiving a route that needed so many different layers to represent the full operational potential. If they didn’t want to give too much away, then choose a route that doesn’t need it rather than compromising one that does.

 

Yep, sadly a very common fault. Think I once did a stopper from MKC, found Euston at a standstill, deleted the train fouling the points, which got things going again, only for the game to crash at Euston station throat.

Calmly put my controller down and slowly walked away…

 

Since the last update they’ve made the texture issue 1000x worse when driving in the Milton Keynes direction. Basically the whole route when driving in that direction is a blur now.

Totally unacceptable at this point.

 

well there's a patch of trees above Bletchley C.S.

 

Yep been logged probably. No idea how that has even happened...

 

It's creepy and disgusting in the sky

 

I guess reaction to this varies by customer. It really does not bother me and I usually would not see it since I am strictly a driver. Rarely move from my seat.

 

I don't usually see these either.

Probably why it doesn't bother me as much.

 

I noticed that on Series S the freight layers are no longer showing up unless you select one to play from the timetable first. I was wondering if anyone else has experienced this, and if it is a bug or intentional.

 

Also a much quieter bakerloo

 

I can confirm, it seems they took away some layers on console ...... again. Pretty poor behaviour when you ask me, they let you pay for something, and then take it bit by bit away

 

Update to this, I've found another one above/near Linslade Tunnel

(I get that God likes his trees, but this is a bit far don't you think?)

 

There are a lot of bugs like this that instantly destroy the immersion.

 

I particularly like a driving a 710 with weather set to clear in June but still get to listen to rain and thunder....

 

I have a question on the 350s and 390s when going into London Euston should the destination boards read london euston or just Euston. At the moment they read just Euston witch to me looks wired. But if thats correct then so be it. Thanks

 

The game says I was speeding and it even has proof.
What da...?

 

Still can’t reach Euston without crashing. Was hoping this might have been fixed in the last patch update.

 

Why do all tube services start from Queens park and not Kilburn park.

 

Question you driving a freight train at 5am route is empty. So why do you get routes onto the fast tracks then back onto the slow tracks. And not anything during that time?

 

Probably because Kilburn Park is not part of the WCML section of the Bakerloo line.

 

I just assumed it was cause you can see on the map.

 

You often see ‘unreachable’ stations on TSW routes (Norwood Junction springs to mind on BML). I guess they are just placer points for AI trains to run to/from.

 

Dear Dovetail Games.

Princes Street Gardens is not a station. It is a junction. Please fix.

Platform: Xbox Series X
London Euston
14:09

 

LOL - I saw a thread about a similar issue on Rail UK Forums whereby LNER was telling passengers about their journey from Princes St Gardens in travel reminder communications. I think it was put down to being a pathing stop

 

Yeah it's weird.

There was a glitch I saw on a class 385 irl once where it was said the next stop is Cowlairs junction? I'm like what? I swear it was announced too XD

 

I was running around the route in God Mode, collecting tasks. Just north of Cheddington, I spotted what I thought to be some cows in a field to the west. Wondering whether they were animated, I turned to the left to take a closer look... only to find out that there was no invisible wall and that I was suddenly in the middle of said field. Upon closer inspection, the cows turned out to just be bales of hay. A mile or so away from the track, I saw what appears to be alien obelisks in the distance.

Here's a different one close up.

I managed to return to Cheddington via the parking lot.

P.S. I understand that like most of this game, this is basically abandonware. I'm not expecting fixes, I just wanted to share a cool picture

 

Service 1S37 for the Pendolino instantly crashes to home before you even finish loading on PS5.

Edit: Tried another Pendolino service 1F11 and the same thing happened. I'm just gonna assume this is gonna happen to all services during peak times since there's a bunch of trains present.

 

Ps5 people don’t spawn in. I’ve tried restarting the game but it doesn’t fix. At all stations.

 

Why are things getting worse and as you buy Digital updates you ahem now way of rolling back to lets be honest more options. People have paid good money for an add on that is getting worse. They taken the money and left the consumer high and dry.

 

Ran three services, all different (390, 350 and 710) and at some point during the run they’ve crashed out. Random times, random places and on one occasion I loaded back in, having habitually saved at every station stop, only to get the ‘no objective’ glitch - which recognised I had arrived at a station but failed miserably to let any passengers join or depart. Abandoned.

 

In my opinion, PBC in the Class 350 is still not working properly.
The Desiro brakes far too aggressively. Even a slight shift of the PBC into the braking position immediately applies almost 50% of the electrodynamic braking force.

Additionally, at very low speeds (< 3 MPH), the Desiro automatically applies approximately 60% braking force, making it impossible to gently stop the train. This is very troublesome both when stopping at a station (the stopping action is very aggressive) and when coupling to another unit.

In my opinion, the PBC physics in Class 350 was definitely better shortly after the release of TSW5.

 

Well the sudden braking when you're < 3 MPH seems right. That's just how the Desiro's are in that case. Same thing happens with the Class 700 and 380. But the braking in general definitely seems overpowered both on the 380 and 350. You could apply 1% on the 380 and it feels like 25%.

 

The current braking is so strong that it wouldn't have met the safety standards for braking.

Applicable at the time of the introduction was GMRT2044 Iss 4 (Braking System Requirements and Performance for Multiple Units).

This standard states 60mph to 0 in 264m should be the minimum emergency braking distance to avoid wheel tread damage. DTG however state a Class 350 should be able to be stopped from 60mph to 0 in 220m using full service braking. That makes the braking 20% stronger than the given maximum (for emergency!)

The braking performance should be reverted - it doesn't just feel wrong, it is so wrong that it is non compliant with the RSSB's safety standards.

 

One more thing. Setting the PBC to the minimum braking position immediately gives us about 40% braking power, which makes braking very aggressive. Can anyone confirm whether the Desiro actually has this?

And then there's the issue of applying traction force. This version of the PBC has four "drive" positions, corresponding to 25, 50, 75, and 100 percent of the traction force. Is it possible to adjust the PBC between the drive positions, e.g., between notch 1 and notch 2, etc.?

 

I agree braking does still seem a bit too strong! Would be great to hear from a real 350 driver , as to how realistic it is .