Liveries The Works Shed.

Discussion in 'Creators Club' started by rigsby#3981, Nov 12, 2023.

  1. speedfreak#6380

    speedfreak#6380 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2025
    Messages:
    180
    Likes Received:
    371
    and another project I wanted to do for a while,
    although there are already some really good ones on CC I still wanted to have my own :D

    I was playing around with decals and colors here

    WIP
    Schermafbeelding 2025-05-24 140548.png br-193-vectron-193-241-1218428.jpg
    Besides this one this ELL Vectron has Multiple beautiful versions with these colors and I want them all!
    im2016060628mo_300dpi.jpg
    also Wagons in the Workshop, TRANSWAGGON TWA Habbiins.
    I'm having a hard time with the logo but I think it'll be worth my time when it's done :D
    Schermafbeelding 2025-05-24 152157.png
    habbiins-3385ch-twa2740589-2transwaggon-anlaesslich-transport-logistic-am-892000.jpg
    Stay tuned :D
     
    Last edited: May 24, 2025
    • Like Like x 2
  2. rigsby#3981

    rigsby#3981 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2022
    Messages:
    1,836
    Likes Received:
    3,119
    Now that’s what I’m talking about. Funky, stylish different and fresh. It’s why I don’t focus on TOCs. I and you can be more creative by doing fictional work. We’re not hemmed in or restricted. Free to express and create fun stylish work seen here.

    Funny how you went down the black and gold route as I’m doing something similar on a class 43, Secret Project:)

    But the black theme from the class 43s I’ve carried over on to the 390s.
    IMG_3962.jpeg IMG_3963.jpeg
    Don’t worry I fixed the wrong shade black. My eyes miss them when I’m tired.

    See I tried to do something funky with this but again limited with only 300 when this was made. IMG_6399.jpeg IMG_3815.jpeg
    Making fictional work and even companies is so much fun. The possibilities are endless. My mind never stops and looking at your angle or approach to your work then I doubt your creative mind never stops either.

    Can’t do if you’re creating something as fresh as you have here today.

    It’s always a pleasure seeing your beautiful work.

    Bang on man. Perfecto!. :)

     
    • Like Like x 2
  3. rigsby#3981

    rigsby#3981 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2022
    Messages:
    1,836
    Likes Received:
    3,119
    I hope so because it did it to me last night on the BR Arrow. On 5 decals like but so annoying.

    So let me get this straight.

    I’m I right in saying that I group what I can due a bug decal. Send move to the opposite side and then move them back, and then regroup as originally intended. Back to normal.

    Or do I make a groups as in the first step, then make a copy send that copy to the opposite side and then send back.
    Meaning do I regroup the copy groups or the original groups with the decal issues left on the original side?.

    I will have a play with this because the pain is shifting all the groups.
    Yet the bonus is we can recovery massive groups that are for me in the range of anything between 300 to 500 layer groups.

    As I say I had to make 3 groups yesterday. 2 groups of 2 decals and then the one bug decal. Copied from end A to end B.

    Man if this works tho you definitely deserve a Nobel Peace Prize Award. Hahaha.

    Thanks man.

     
    • Like Like x 2
  4. rigsby#3981

    rigsby#3981 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2022
    Messages:
    1,836
    Likes Received:
    3,119
    Man EU operators have some cool stuff. And that last wagon looks mint man.

    Just a question about the fonts. Do you make a small jig as I call them.
    Something similar to this.

    IMG_8735.jpeg IMG_0518.jpeg IMG_0520.jpeg IMG_0524.jpeg I find by using some form of spacing and level lines you can keep things more tight and in keeping with each other.
    It just helps in having a reference point for the eye to work off, which helps in keeping the letters balanced then.

     
    • Like Like x 3
  5. speedfreak#6380

    speedfreak#6380 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2025
    Messages:
    180
    Likes Received:
    371
    yes the first thing you said.. imagine you have a complex logo and you want to adjust something and you ungroup it again and then you want to regroup it and then a number of decals are suddenly bugged and can not group.

    often the largest number is good but a few small decals and often the same ones are not. put those bugged decals together in the list and group them. swap them to the other side and click on comfirm. then you go back to the same group and put it back to the right side. sometimes some decals turn to the original angle and you have to turn it 90 degrees for example but that is all. it always ends up in exactly the same place.

    if you are not sure you can also try it with the other decals that did want to group. the thing is that as soon as you ungroup logos the game thinks they are on the other side apparently. think in that way mate and you see that it works that does it for me now fortunately because like with my yellow black vectron the logo bugs every time I loosen it but I can always fix it like this
     
    • Helpful Helpful x 2
  6. speedfreak#6380

    speedfreak#6380 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2025
    Messages:
    180
    Likes Received:
    371
    there are many more beautiful and complex ones, the vectron is in so many colors, especially in the cargo

    and yes I often use tracer lines, but sometimes I'm lazy and use the lines of the wagon itself xD it's more than enough to get it straight as I often group and copy decals, so it's already at the same height anyway.
     
    Last edited: May 24, 2025
    • Like Like x 2
  7. rigsby#3981

    rigsby#3981 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2022
    Messages:
    1,836
    Likes Received:
    3,119
    Okay I think I get all that. You see I noticed that if I use a group decal over and over, so Railway 200 logo.
    If I ungroup just one logo then every other logo will have the same decal bug. This could be across 10 Railway 200 logos.
    Even if a make a reserve copy before un grouping. That bug which effects all other 10 logos is in that new group copy.

    My back up to this is make one first master copy and leave in place.(Basically made once no adjustments, the a master copy). Move to the front list and hide or cover.
    Then if I have an issue with a specific group I can scrap the problem group that has been over used and make a fresh batch from the master copy.
    It can remove any bugs that have been created by over use or multiple un grouping and re grouping.

    The only problem is. If I make a few masters as reserves for future alterations. IE Using one Master Copy of one unit and recycle, like with the 390 APT theme then they add more pressure to the decal limits. Copy’s sat hidden may add additional 150 decals. Not actually needed, but hidden as back ups. I even call this redundancy. I can push and push and if I get short then I can always drop back on reserve decals as built in redundancy. It’s how I pushed every single decal out for the class 43s.

    So that’s one way around that bug group issue.
    Try it and if you do get a problem group simply scrap it off and make a fresh batch from a reserve master:)

    I will try your method tonight because as I say I’m faced with a little group issue myself.

    Right gotta dash I’m hyped up for the 390s and that.

    Catch you soon Brother.
    Have a great evening too man:)

    Rigsby.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  8. rigsby#3981

    rigsby#3981 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2022
    Messages:
    1,836
    Likes Received:
    3,119
    Yes I do like them so I might have a pop at one.

    Hahaha that’s absolutely fine. It’s in the eye to see balance. Yet using keys references of the actual unit can help save time making Jigs.
    I go by eye my self on the class 66s. Level the TOPS numbed to the exhaust. The only problem to this approach is making sure the camera is level to the body. Or flush. As any angle can make something look level yet when looking dead flush with the camera it’s not level at all.

    So I use the grey lines or lower menu bars a ruler or gauge the screen angles to the body of the model.
    No distortion or mis alignment because the camera or screen is set flush.

    I agree with you tho, if one has an eye for detail and accuracy then both approach’s work fine.

    I think I just like to complicate matters for myself, but I feel if I don’t then I worry because it’s not perfect in my mind.
    It’s why I hate working when tired because that’s when standards slip, because I lose focus.

     
    • Like Like x 1
  9. rigsby#3981

    rigsby#3981 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2022
    Messages:
    1,836
    Likes Received:
    3,119
    Something else to consider is this.

    It saves time remove faults found or overlooked and more importantly reduces bug issues and quality issues.

    Example. I made 390 001 3 months back. Make a copy and alter, then make a copy of that 2 copy and then alter.
    I could end up with 5 liveries from one master made 3 months back. Fresh.

    So if by the 5 or 6 copy I have quality issues due to swapping and changing creating group bug issues. Old.
    Then I will end that batch and start a fresh batch from the first master copy.

    The new 390 I worked on last night was the first one with grouping issues. It was batch number 5.
    So back to a fresh batch from 390 001. Fresh new not over used.

    I think that’s the problem. To many copies or logos re used to many times.
    Make fresh reserves as back up.

    Rigsby.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  10. speedfreak#6380

    speedfreak#6380 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2025
    Messages:
    180
    Likes Received:
    371
    guys i could cry. i thought i had the grouping bug under control but karma struck mercilessly, there are too many decals that keep going back and forth with grouping and not grouping i'm going crazy and with pain in my heart i would have to drop this project :(

    i have angrily submitted a ticket for the 2nd time and hopefully they will do something about it now it really makes me angry.

    i had all the letters of the logo ready and only had to shrink them all at the same time and put them in place. i could do it again but i think i'm stuck with this. A WHOLE DAY WASTED DTG !!!! :( NOT COOL
    Schermafbeelding 2025-05-25 003426.png
     
    • Like Like x 1
  11. rigsby#3981

    rigsby#3981 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2022
    Messages:
    1,836
    Likes Received:
    3,119
    Man it pains me to see and hear this Brother. When you explained before I knew it was going to be very very difficult. Keeping track is the issue and the amount of time to correct you could have started from scratch. But that’s not the point here.

    Why, well it plants a seed of doubt in one’s mind constantly fearing that at any given moment the bug issue can pop up.
    Now I am sorry DTG but at this level of work and complexity then just look at this situation now. Speedfreak I’ve been there, you hit a low.
    It happens.

    Take this for example.
    Class 37 Rog on TSW2. IMG_1551.jpeg IMG_1548.jpeg IMG_0755.jpeg IMG_0751.jpeg IMG_6684.jpeg
    The first photos is my very first edition no problems.

    The very last dark photo is the messed up one, why well if truth be known I was like you. Upset frustrated and near to quitting I’d had enough.
    You see when I went to give the 37 a dirty look I wanted to alter the paint as not to make the loco look odd.
    Meaning all the complexities of the Phoenix logo was difficult as I’d only started quite recently ya see.

    So when I had bug issues I completely went mad. Actually the correct word would be insane. Because I some how managed to save enough decals to make another small logo but when I tried to group the first logo that’s when it all fell apart.
    I was trying to keep them in order but they became too split and so couldn’t keep track.

    It hurts man big time, and even now as I work I am constantly on edge, on EDGE. How can a game calls its self relaxing if users are left like you are tonight. Totally disheartened by the whole situation. After such a positive run too.

    I’m trying to think what to do or what to suggest. All I could say speaking from experience is take a break for a day say.
    Even a few hours to relax and then come back with a fresh set of eyes and mind.

    If you do let me know and I’ll see if we can recover this for you.

    There is always more than one way to skin a cat:) (A easy work around)

    Chin up tho man, keep us updated too, especially on what DTG say. This has been going on long enough mate.

    It’s will be okay tho, I’m still here and I have many TSW scars.
    Take a break but never stop fighting.

    Rigsby.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  12. rigsby#3981

    rigsby#3981 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2022
    Messages:
    1,836
    Likes Received:
    3,119
    Hey when I said about making back ups due to if I ungroup and then go to regroup get a bug. So the shot below is all the logos etc hidden as backups.

    Fear ya see.

    IMG_3973.jpeg IMG_3974.jpeg Each box in the list seen is a hidden logo.

    Crazy man that I should have to do this.

    Rigsby.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  13. rigsby#3981

    rigsby#3981 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2022
    Messages:
    1,836
    Likes Received:
    3,119
    Just been thinking:)

    What you could do to save trying to copy on to the other side is.
    A save each letter and size individually. So use a box or level line to the size needed for all.

    Or remove/ replace the bug decal or decals from that letter and try regrouping.

    And if you have what you have now again try size down to a sizing up lines.
    Then to save flipping to the other side make a copy on A side mirror and flip then simple cover over the letters now mirrored and flipped on side B.

    Save you taking the full decal from side A and lining up on side B, they are already lined on side A but mirrored and flipped for side B.
    No decal is actually on side B. All mirrored from side A.

    Might work:)

     
    • Like Like x 2
  14. speedfreak#6380

    speedfreak#6380 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2025
    Messages:
    180
    Likes Received:
    371
    then I should have done that before the bug started, because I can't even get the letter T N W A G together anymore. Each of the letters has 10+ decals, especially the S is and was a pain in the ass, I can better start over completely and I don't feel like wasting another day.

    I hope for a fix that I can continue with later, but the chance that DTG will fix this is probably very small I completely understand what you're saying mate and it's a logical method, but the problem I often run into is that I already have all the other stickers, such as the wagon information, ready. I only have a few layers left for logos, so copying logos twice is often difficult. I'm starting with a different wagon and have more projects going on, so I don't get stuck on 1 wagon that drives me crazy. for other logos my way works very well as long as the logos are not over 150+ decals

    like with my yellow black vectron it is always easy fix and it also works with other logos. but yes it becomes too much if it is over 150 then one group always wants to and then the other doesn't it keeps going back and forth and even when you do a certain group from side a to b the camera glitches out of livery designer and you look into the wagon as it were and you can't move the camera afterwards. so it is just a bug in the game and DTG just doesn't feel like fixing this since it doesn't harm them it is frustrating to see how long this bug has been in the game and nothing has ever been done about it
     
    • Like Like x 2
  15. speedfreak#6380

    speedfreak#6380 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2025
    Messages:
    180
    Likes Received:
    371
    i mean this logo was spot one. the edges were tighter than a knife it was a one o one logo.. the best i have ever made from scratch maybe. it feels like a punishment for making beautiful logos because DTG hates that we make real life companies idk it hurts man
     
    • Like Like x 1
  16. rigsby#3981

    rigsby#3981 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2022
    Messages:
    1,836
    Likes Received:
    3,119
    Hey, yes I wish I had said more now but didn’t want to feel like I was telling you what to do.
    Why well because it’s hard to explain due to how come it can be.

    But as you can see I keep back ups to make me feel more tighter than I am. I push harder with each decal.
    If I do run into difficult then I have something to fall back on, be due to bug issues or needing more decals.
    Squeeze every last decal you can.

    Yes I agree with the last method I mention. It will be so difficult yet it is possible.
    Even with other logos or text. Layer management comes in to play.

    Now bere with me. You will not be using double decals.

    So say you have each letter individually grouped. It must let you at least do that. Keep in its original size, DO NOT adjust projection tool nothing. Just slid it to the left. You should have enough space on the wagon you are.

    Make your letters and group as you go. So you should have all individual letters now.

    Make a little box frame so they all size up when putting in to position.

    Now if don’t have any issues then you can just do what you would normally do. Copy and paste to the opposite side.
    But if you do and it means flipping when you do copy and paste to the opposite side then again this will work.

    If your letter is manageable then if on side A and correct font in left corner, make a copy of what you have then slip that to the right corner of side A. Mirror and Project to side B. Once you do that cover from side A. You may already have logos or lettering already set up.

    Then any other logos you have or text on side B then place under the lettering mirrored and projected from side A.
    so a white box, slip under the lettering and away you go. Nothing will be in its way. You will still be using the same amount of decals at this stage as you would be doing if you didn’t run into difficulties.

    It’s does work because I did a lot of that if work on the A3’s. Working from the front to fix or cover hands in the Cab.
    And a few photos of sizing. Now each letter could have 50 or 60 decals in. They never bugged once. Actually yes on the numbed 2.
    So again keep them as fresh as you can, avoid using any projection decal, especially if you take a copy from a random decal then start making something complicated. Always start with a fresh decal and move down the list or what position order then work of that one decal and copy. It only takes one decal to have 2 or 3% difference on the projected bars and your asking for trouble.

    IMG_7521.jpeg IMG_7535.jpeg IMG_7665.jpeg IMG_7728.jpeg IMG_7725.jpeg
    I set them all in position first, one main decal and work around it, no movement only once I’ve completed the lot will I individual group a letter and slip left or right up and down. If I try alter the size at this point it could distort one pixel in the group and again that’s it, you ungroup then try regrouping and you will have a bug decal. You can see on group reading 293 to 443 in one group.

    I’ll show something else as an example of why I stay in one position when setting up.

    And hey what you said about if DTG makes it harder then I will DM you later.
    I don’t think it is anything like that because I’ve done many complicated works in my time. And with no issues.
    Over the years I have done my best to find a good work around in to which I feel I have.

    Yet saying that I can be merrily going about my work and then it all falls apart. Regardless of what safety measures I put in place.

    So yes man I feel your pain honestly I really do man.

    Here check these.

     
    • Like Like x 2
  17. rigsby#3981

    rigsby#3981 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2022
    Messages:
    1,836
    Likes Received:
    3,119
    Lion and Wheel emblem. IMG_0763.jpeg IMG_7428.jpeg IMG_7427.jpeg IMG_7418.jpeg
    I’ve deleted some photos I think. I’d have to re-download the ones I wanted to show you.

    Anyway the point is I made all this is in one go. But in two parts. The Lion then the wheel and font.
    I could group the wheel and font okay but the lion had issues when trying to group. So all I did when I hit one was delete the bug decal, then re set a new one by taking from the decal in front or after the now deleted decal.

    By doing this I removed any bug decals before doing a full grouping attempt.
    And that worked as you can see. But again what ever I do sometimes you clean one area of bug decals re attempt and then a completely new decal plays up. It’s at that point I think is someone having a laugh.

    Because it just gets to unmanageable and the fact it only takes five minutes but ends up taking 5 hours is no fun for anyone.

    Especially at this level.

    You’ll get passed it eventually but don’t let it discourage you, I didn’t, if anything it made me push harder mate.

    I’m with you Brother.
    Rigsby.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  18. speedfreak#6380

    speedfreak#6380 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2025
    Messages:
    180
    Likes Received:
    371
    your will to help me is heart warming mate that is very much appreciated and i am now also adding some of the techniques. since yesterday's blunder i am now making a pretty good come back with these ERR rusty habbins, i am also trying to create effects like weathering rust and dirt and have cool ideas, am now making rust water effect on the left on the roof and it looks so real :D

    what do you think about it ? so i want to make some

    more habbins because the thing is i want to have a bit more diversity on my CC because when i look at my page now it really looks like model trains and wagons in my collection, so cool. so i want to have some of these kind of wagons and then others and then others and so more and more variety.
    16fe4791-feb1-4601-9a7f-cf0923656c83.jpeg IMG_7891.jpeg IMG_7890.jpeg IMG_7893.jpeg IMG_7892.jpeg
    as you can see i also try to copy those blue painted areas. there used to be other stickers or logos and they paint over that. however if i make those areas blue then it looks quite strange that it is a blue square right away. i think white looks quite nice
     
    • Like Like x 2
  19. speedfreak#6380

    speedfreak#6380 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2025
    Messages:
    180
    Likes Received:
    371
    I'm amazed at how beautiful this is going to be
    Schermafbeelding 2025-05-25 160310.png Schermafbeelding 2025-05-25 160603.png Schermafbeelding 2025-05-25 161013.png
     
    • Like Like x 2
  20. trainfan#6965

    trainfan#6965 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2024
    Messages:
    359
    Likes Received:
    463
    [​IMG]
     
    • Like Like x 3
  21. rigsby#3981

    rigsby#3981 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2022
    Messages:
    1,836
    Likes Received:
    3,119
    Oh don’t worry about it, I just understand how frustrating it must have been for you, so didn’t want to leave you on ya own with it.
    So not a problem at all buddy.

    For how users go about work varies obviously but one thing I’ve always done especially working on letters is make a little frame to keep it all in check. It does help even if a group becomes split. You know what it’s like to explain the ins and outs tho, especially if it just becomes one big mess. You did have it bad last night tho with how many issues you were facing.

    Glad you picked ya self up tho, because look at what you have now. Real life. Realistic, looking work.
    I fully approve mate, it’s hard to tell in LD light so hard to say but looks bang on. Is it available because I’ll go check it out.

    And for your current collection I wouldn’t worry to much, the more variety you naturally do will give that variety your looking for from ya CC collection over time. But I do stand by want you say and strongly encourage you to continue with the natural look.
    Because I love variation in a formation, look more realistic than just the same wagon with a set code repeated say.
    So the more variety will make yards look realistic even the general look of the game will change, not too mention how a photo would look like etc.

    It’s a good move tho because some can get stuck in one theme area, why I have a mish mash of work.
    More fictional because there’s more creative elements than copying a TOCs livery say. Just what I prefer.

    You can use this dirty piggy if ya like:)
    IMG_2978.jpeg IMG_2975.jpeg IMG_2979.jpeg IMG_2969.jpeg
    Trains are work horses so will get dirty. I prefer I used weathered look to new condition for that very reason.
    It’s what happen in real life so why not recreate that.

    Now you are, and I find with dirty damagd stock it gives the work more character over a shiny new wagon.
    They all look nice either way.


    All the work you do is mint:)

     
    • Like Like x 2
  22. rigsby#3981

    rigsby#3981 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2022
    Messages:
    1,836
    Likes Received:
    3,119
    I think the blue is to protect the steel a welds from cracks and corrosion that’s all. A basic primer to give extra protection.

    I did the same when doing fabrication work on site. I worked on refurbishing a huge Airbus wing trailer.

    So if I was you I’d keep them blue as the white would soon rust over or at least show signs or decay. It’s bare sheet metal ya see.

    That’s only what I’d do tho:)

    Later Brother.

    Rigsby.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  23. rigsby#3981

    rigsby#3981 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2022
    Messages:
    1,836
    Likes Received:
    3,119
    • Like Like x 2
  24. rigsby#3981

    rigsby#3981 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2022
    Messages:
    1,836
    Likes Received:
    3,119
    Hey it’s that one of your own liveries?.

    Good photo too, yet I’m still unsure of blur effects, especially in standard shades or effects. Have you not tired make them look like acid house effects, messing around with contrasts or even negative effects. I think that blurring effect would sit better then.

    When I look at your photos I do think (Edit) is that the look your going for. Fast mixed up arty style. Funky.

    The game is so limited on photo mode tho for lens effects, still great fun tho:)

     
    • Like Like x 1
  25. rigsby#3981

    rigsby#3981 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2022
    Messages:
    1,836
    Likes Received:
    3,119
    First day of nationalisation;)

    GBR I welcome you:)
    IMG_4018.jpeg
     
    • Like Like x 2
  26. speedfreak#6380

    speedfreak#6380 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2025
    Messages:
    180
    Likes Received:
    371
    it's completely true what you say but I'm pretty sure it's over painted stickers on the actual wagon there are several with the same spots as you could see on the pictures I showed ;)

    but unfortunately I can't download your liveries at least not all because I only have the 66 of the primium tsw5 edition and nothing else for UK only EU ;)

    the wagon is at least finished and ready to download on CC ;) have fun
     
    Last edited: May 26, 2025
    • Like Like x 2
  27. trainfan#6965

    trainfan#6965 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2024
    Messages:
    359
    Likes Received:
    463
    Yes, it's my own livery, the one with blur effects was the livery thumbnail, I did this livery 1 month ago

    unfortunately I deleted the livery :(
     
    • Like Like x 2
  28. trainfan#6965

    trainfan#6965 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2024
    Messages:
    359
    Likes Received:
    463
    And about the blurring, I don't do that in all of my photos, for now rarely, just for livery thumbnails.

    Here's one of the photos I did
    upload_2025-5-26_9-27-21.jpeg
     
    • Like Like x 2
  29. rigsby#3981

    rigsby#3981 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2022
    Messages:
    1,836
    Likes Received:
    3,119
    You to are correct. All the changes over the years etc. Just like any trailer even truck trailers as you know. Damage to canvas sheeting and that. So loads of little square patches lol.

    And you know what, I knew it be something like that, I assumed again. If you only have the standard 66 then I’ll try short something soon for ya mate.
    I will download your work soon too.

    Have fun:)

     
    • Like Like x 1
  30. rigsby#3981

    rigsby#3981 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2022
    Messages:
    1,836
    Likes Received:
    3,119
    Oh man can I ask why, they seem quite popular last time I looked.

    Hey and as usual I’m not being nasty about your work, from my perspective if people are shearing then I’d try give them tips or feedback.
    Can’t alway be positive feedback back, but it’s easy to lie and say that looks good.

    This is the only reason I mention about the blurring, I just don’t think it work at times, even in my own photo work.
    So the photo made can be more tricky at times than what one originally expected. This is why I don’t use the blur function to much.

     
    • Like Like x 1
  31. rigsby#3981

    rigsby#3981 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2022
    Messages:
    1,836
    Likes Received:
    3,119
    A slow sleepy vibe. I think the key to photo work is catching the moment. So a slow sleepy morning commuter run, like the shot you have done. Yet if it’s a fast paced service then the photo would have that sense of movement.

    That’s basically what photography is, capturing the moment.
    Look at some photos on the cover of time magazine.

    Not planned or fancy, a picture that catches the moment and conveys that moment in time.
    Photos are like art paintings, they must speak to its audience.

    Anyone can take a photo it’s catching that perfect moment that makes the difference between just a photo to a proper picture.

    Photo/ Paint the Picture.

    All work must speak to its audience:)

     
    • Like Like x 1
  32. trainfan#6965

    trainfan#6965 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2024
    Messages:
    359
    Likes Received:
    463
    Oh it's because when I tested the livery, the colours were too light so I wanted to upgrade the livery but accidentally messed it up.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  33. rigsby#3981

    rigsby#3981 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2022
    Messages:
    1,836
    Likes Received:
    3,119
    Oh okay I get ya now. Been there a few times, tried to much but took more time to short then it would to make a new livery from scratch.

    So yes I get ya now.

    Cheers.

     
    • Like Like x 1
  34. speedfreak#6380

    speedfreak#6380 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2025
    Messages:
    180
    Likes Received:
    371
    View attachment 194326
    i accidentally did this with my railnex vectron :( with the NL flag on the side. luckily i still have the first version and only have to redo the flag :) small mistakes happen sometimes xD
     
    • Like Like x 2
  35. speedfreak#6380

    speedfreak#6380 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2025
    Messages:
    180
    Likes Received:
    371
    just went back to old projects.

    after a while of making liveries I now see how many mistakes there were and have adjusted the logo (mainly the G of GATX) I was blind at first I think haha lol

    so I'm going to update the old ones too and will reupload them to CC

    I have already made a start on an idea that I had in mind for a long time, the GATX 4086 chemical tank wagon
    fits well with the other Tank wagons that I have made and makes the German and Dutch routes even more realistic

    I am so happy with this one and I feel like I have the colors spot on and the letters now too :)

    Keep an eye on this one!
    Schermafbeelding 2025-05-26 154120.png Afbeelding van WhatsApp op 2025-05-26 om 15.36.27_75611ca4.jpg
     
    • Like Like x 2
  36. rigsby#3981

    rigsby#3981 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2022
    Messages:
    1,836
    Likes Received:
    3,119
    Just one of those things ain’t it, like a learning curve. I think I have more difficulty at times due to making copies as I do and then having to undo to find where is what in the decal list.

    So definitely worth working from scratch are you could do this.

    Make on unit with loads of logos. Ya could have 20 logos because that’s all the unit is for.
    A master to take when you need. You never have to keep making logos for that unit because there all sat waiting for when you need them.

    When ya do just use the logo ya need delete the rest and away ya go:)

    Saves loads of time because you’re only making the logo once for each type of DCL model. Masters, and make copies from them.
    You could make a 1000 GBRf class 66s because I made one master.

    Just like production lines do:)

     
    • Like Like x 2
  37. rigsby#3981

    rigsby#3981 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2022
    Messages:
    1,836
    Likes Received:
    3,119
    Great work there, pure quality.

    I think you’re doing what many of us have done. Loads of my work is screaming out for a refresh.
    Again if your like me then don’t matter how hard we try when we look back at some work we see the small errors or where we might have used more decals than we do now. Nothing wrong with that tho because it shows we look at work and see what can be improved.

    Pushing. That’s why I say to all my members to push. Push for perfection. Because what I might consider perfect today may not be tomorrow because I’ve had time to spot the small errors. So again what you are doing says to me you don’t settle and demand more from your self and work that you do.

    Like any profession, take boxing. You could walk around thinking one’s hard but I’d watch videos back of any footage which was limited back in my day for underground fights but still if we see mistakes in anything then we can find a way around any problem seen.

    You seen mistakes because you look, check and take pride.

    The Tanker should hopefully prove what I say as correct.
    It speaks volumes and quality. The end product mate.

    Grand Job as always.

     
    • Like Like x 2
  38. speedfreak#6380

    speedfreak#6380 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2025
    Messages:
    180
    Likes Received:
    371
    yes mate that's how I work too. I have a blank for every loco with all the information stuff and numbers on it. when I'm going to make a new loco I only have to change the colors and pop some logos on it

    and why don't I do that with logos? well because the information stuff and numbers and such takes up more decals than logos and is more time consuming so yes I also have copies of every loco here and there also of things that I tried to make but didn't finish..

    sometimes I start a project and when that project feels difficult I'll make something else for a while and yes exactly like you say coming back to old projects is good to update them. nice to see what I've learned over time and I'm always striving for more and better quality :)
     
    • Like Like x 2
  39. rigsby#3981

    rigsby#3981 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2022
    Messages:
    1,836
    Likes Received:
    3,119
    Oh well there ya go then. You’re all set up. Again I feel we do share many similarities on our approach to work.
    For example just recently I’ve been working heavily on 390s and texting. It’s hurting my hand and suffering from carpal tunnel syndrome in my left wrist. It’s happened before when flat out. The Bite set it of tho, so I too switch from work.

    This is an example and was going to post else where but now seem a fitting time.
    IMG_4065.jpeg IMG_4049.jpeg IMG_4062.jpeg IMG_4063.jpeg IMG_4064.jpeg

    The 390. The texting is what’s doing the damage. So,,moved onto a 350. Done in about an hour. No long list to scroll through. 90 decals tops.

    Then the 395, a theme I’ve been working on as a possible GBR livery, concept work.
    Playing with a possible new GBR logo. But I’m now stripping it all back to simple designs and colours.
    My intentions was to fill where you see that light blue with the different regional colours.
    Yet have a set standard theme across all class of traction in the UK. So what you see was I first mess around but the simple BR arrow in different colours to match the colour of the line and regions is my ultimate goal and original plan. It’s so simple to apply, easy for the public to recognise and more importantly a unified theme across all ares of Englands rail infrastructure.

    As you can see on top of R200 I have a little GBR project going on. Why because I was fed up of seeing the mess the original GBRTT plans for a BR logo was. I felt it offensive to not only the design itself but to the man that created the BR Arrow logo.

    The BR Arrow logo is a simple geometric design. It’s white. So keep the logo design and simply change its colour.
    Again it’s easy to adapt to stations signs etc. I’m a simple man so why have complicated designs etc.
    We live in a fast paced society where people have no time to stop and read signs. Yet if you see a simple colour then it’s easy for the travelling public. Why the original London Underground Map was so successful. Fast and ease of reference.

    So as you can see I don’t stick to one particular theme for reasons just as now with my wrist or just fancied a change.
    Working on one particular large piece can be tiresome and so to fire that passion up, endless create new work.

    To endless seek what the creative mind can’t stop producing fast enough. It never stop.
    And now you gave me the freight wagon bug, so my mind is thinking of all the new possibilities here.

    I want to share my ideas with others to build what I’d like to see. A nice neat unified rail system that I and the public can understand.

    And hey if you do get stuck again you know where I am partner:)
    I have not forgotten about HH,RN Uk;)

    Catch you soon Brother.
    Rigsby.
     
    • Like Like x 3
  40. speedfreak#6380

    speedfreak#6380 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2025
    Messages:
    180
    Likes Received:
    371
    yeah you have cool techniques and very professional work especially that old english style you can do well.

    i simply have only real passion for european rail freight and that is also the only thing i can talk about XD

    there is so much in that world that you can talk about it for hours the number of carriers/charters on the european network is already enormous. only in germany the list is endless and yes that gives endless possibilities and hey i didn't forget RN HH buddy but i really want more content on my CC so i work hard to make and release some packs and solos :D busy days buddy

    yesterday i finally bought this vossloh g6 diesel shunter DLC and immediately made this EVB logistik livery for it. a clean and dirty version only i doubt which one i would upload on CC because how many uploads can you have on CC ? otherwise i will only upload the clean version but if it doesn't matter i will upload both :D

    besides this one i also want to make some variants of this from different companies like; VPS Bahn, O-BASF, EVONIK, THYSSENKRUPP, VOSSLOH GREEN GREY and maybe CAPTRAIN for the G6 Shunter

    so stay tuned for more euro cargo stuff
    Schermafbeelding 2025-05-27 201130.png
    Schermafbeelding 2025-05-27 201436.png Schermafbeelding 2025-05-27 201347.png
    DIRTY VERSION ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Schermafbeelding 2025-05-27 203653.png
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------
    vl_5102106_73.jpg
    when the others are ready I'll upload them to CC !
     
    Last edited: May 27, 2025
    • Like Like x 2
  41. speedfreak#6380

    speedfreak#6380 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2025
    Messages:
    180
    Likes Received:
    371
    vl_5102106_02.jpg vl_5102107_68.jpg vtevb-650-123-9-revvt040321-dradenau-737777.jpg
     
    • Like Like x 2
  42. rigsby#3981

    rigsby#3981 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2022
    Messages:
    1,836
    Likes Received:
    3,119
    Wow, these will do well but you’re talking to a man down.

    My hand mate.
    I wish I could say more but didn’t realise how bad my hand is.

    Catch you soon tho brother.
    Lee✌
     
    • Like Like x 2
  43. speedfreak#6380

    speedfreak#6380 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2025
    Messages:
    180
    Likes Received:
    371
    yeahh mate I think so too :D
    i am also super proud of these creations
    although I have a lot of trouble with the color match of the O-BASF orange always too dark and then again too light, just like with my ELL vectron of which I can't get the green right but oh well
    the result is already there :D
    Schermafbeelding 2025-05-28 004510.png
    G_6_500__1_-1-900-650-80.jpg
    WIP------------------
    Schermafbeelding 2025-05-28 004433.png
    -----------------
    ac-diesellok-vossloh-g6-basf-vi-plux22-dec.jpg


    i wouldn't ask too much of you now :P but I was still looking for good Class 66 from CAPTRAIN 6601 From Belgium :D

    4977247070_43e4acea7e_h.jpg
    look how cool and beautiful !
     
    Last edited: May 28, 2025
    • Like Like x 2
  44. rigsby#3981

    rigsby#3981 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2022
    Messages:
    1,836
    Likes Received:
    3,119
    Hey I can focus a little better, I felt a little off when I seen my hand.

    Anyway I am loving all these little Shunters, again I am not fully clued up on EU locomotives. But when I do find the time which doesn’t look like any time soon. Then I will start to use some as I have a load of EU stuff but never used it. That reminds me I need to finish sow you my full content list. So here I can only just about talk about UK locos or operations but sadly not EU.

    But hey thats what the HH,RN partnership was all about in you staying with what you love and do best.And me on the UK side.
    There’s only so many hours in a day. So to deal with all UK and EU even US is just asking too much.
    Here again I want to start with the HH,RN open invitation to use HH,RN UK or even you side of HH, RN EU.
    In fact has anyone even approached you to help out or have fun messing around with the logistics side.

    For uploading on CC then is limitless in theory. I know we have small amount of MBs that you will notice on your screen at some stage.
    But I have 40 to 50 high volumed decal livery’s and still going strong. I’ll DM you tho as I did say I would the other day.

    Some trade secrets for you. Yet to answer your question then you can upload as much as you like as long as it’s not seen as spamming.
    Again I would upload a clean and dirty version to give users more options. Plus you get two products out of one piece of work.
    This will build your CC content up and again give users more freedom of what they want. In away shows you’re thinking about this for your user base. So if that is a new approach to what you post on CC then you’ll be fine. I’ve seen loads do worse mate.
    I’ve noticed in the past some upload work every hour or so to keep it up on the recents as they stand a better chance of getting on the Trending page. But you don’t need worry about that as I did see your work was trending. Probably is now with new content added.

    I need to spend some time on the freight side, maybe a quick pump out GBRf again. Any suggestions?.
    Because I do have to say it’s been well received by the CC community so again thanks for allowing me to be part of what you do too.
    It’s what it’s all about, having fun and bringing some special to the community.

    To have fun:)

    Catch ya soon mate, of to Hospital in a min.

     
    • Like Like x 2
  45. rigsby#3981

    rigsby#3981 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2022
    Messages:
    1,836
    Likes Received:
    3,119
    You ask we supply:)

    I’ll see if Bernard can slot it in for you. So I get the right class 66 do you want me to use the base ECW class 66?.
    Or send me a photo of what class 66 is that you want done.

    And mate you know the work you have done there is proper mint. Flawless work. I think I will pick up my work as it’s been slipping slightly.
    As I’ve been using the texting function over placing an individual one as I’d normally do. It’s more clean and better spaced.

    Little things like that if left are when I feel a user is getting lazy.

    Anyway your collection will be so cool soon with all the different styles etc. variety is the spice of life:)

     
    • Like Like x 2
  46. speedfreak#6380

    speedfreak#6380 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2025
    Messages:
    180
    Likes Received:
    371
    if you ever start playing with EU content then I have loads of content for you to make your routes as realistic as possible :D

    and no nobody approached me to join RN HH eu. I think most people are already busy with their own just like we make other liveries. because liveries of this level detail takes time to make but RN HH is also a side project hobby so it doesn't need a rush right :)

    and good to hear about the uploading and yes I see the storage number and it says I have 16.51 GB available and I only uploaded 23 liveries. so I started to worry a bit. because all my creations are high volume decals liveries. most are 1000/1000 the shunters luckily much less because we can't adjust the bottom part of the shunter where all the info stuff is. that is always the same and UIC number is chosen randomly by the game unfortunately. my blue grey EVB shunter wich i base on the real 650 123 because it has its funny number but the game made the UIC number 98 80 0650 134-6 D-VL while the dirty version got 98 80 0650 015-7 D-VL. that sucks but that's the way it is.

    i don't make a dirty version of every lievry i make, because sometimes it's just not possible because i already have 1000/1000 layers mate. i always add as much detail as possible!

    and no i totally get it but when is something seen as spam? i will have 5 clean shunters and 5 dirty shunters soon so i have to upload 10 by then XD and yes i have already been on the trending page with my LTE white VECTRON with the dirty look and that was just random :D that was cool but if i have been on the trending page more often i don't know because i don't look there much XD i have received more downloads of everything on my page since you uploaded that GBRf loc with my ermewa wagons formation so big thanks for that!

    and i always place individual letters myself to keep the spacing between letters correct but sometimes for very small text that you can't read anyway i sometimes want to use text because it doesn't matter then. most often i make letters from scratch because it looks even better and more realistic because if i look at the EVB shunter now it looks better than the other 2 because i made the EVB letters from scratch. so I think I'm going to do that for the others to make it look perfect :D I have enough layers left so no stress. so no this pack is not out yet on CC this will probably take another 2 days or so.

    for ideas for you:
    Class 66 Captrain 6601
    and the green with orange MRL loco although that is not a 66 it does look a lot like it

    I posted a picture of that loco earlier on page 11 loco number: 59 002

    I'll make a screenshot of my DLC list later :)
     
    • Like Like x 2
  47. speedfreak#6380

    speedfreak#6380 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2025
    Messages:
    180
    Likes Received:
    371
    i bought a steam key while back that contained TSW5 primium so i only got these DLC from UK and USA, i played USA maybe 2x and never again.. and i drove class 66 once but didn't even finish the scenario because learning to drive in germany was hard enough with PZB back then but i really like it now :D
    Schermafbeelding 2025-05-28 170125.png Schermafbeelding 2025-05-28 170201.png
    so this is my collection from january or februari and i already spent a bit too much on it although i could buy cheap steam keys for some things like 6.99 for a route
     
    • Like Like x 1
  48. speedfreak#6380

    speedfreak#6380 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2025
    Messages:
    180
    Likes Received:
    371
    sorry for this but unfortunately I can't upload the shunters I just found out :(
     

    Attached Files:

  49. rigsby#3981

    rigsby#3981 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2022
    Messages:
    1,836
    Likes Received:
    3,119
    Hey you’ll have to forgive me today, little slow and drugged up. My hand mate. Again I’ll DM ya soon if that’s ok?.

    I thought not, as not been much happening on that HH,RN thread. But as you say they all could by busy. We are. But I also see it as we are community members that do reach out publicly on the forums. Especially me with the R200, thread. I mean I won’t mention no names, but a member who expressed interest in what I and we was doing I offered them to be more involved due to their own interests in some work they was attempting. Yet users an all doing separate work but along the same lines, Again the GBR, been doing it for months then suddenly after I post the class 350 everyone’s like oh what’s that. I set a thread up and then what do people do. Hide or not get involved.
    That’s what a community is for. If we are sharing the same interest like us for example then why not support or help each other out.

    Yet no matter how hard as a community member I or we try no body bothers yet copies anyway.
    Defeats the purpose of a community. A community is only a community if they work and support each other. If not then how can you call something that doesn’t exist. Support or even a show of solidarity in why we are all here but nope.

    I believe in reaching out to the community as a way for me to be involved or help others or them with me.
    A community is about support and helping others in a community for it to be one. Again if not then how can we or those that don’t support call themselves a community member.

    Anyway rant over, it’s been bothering me of late you see. There’s some right moody members on here. They can’t even say oh yes thanks for the offer. And only after one offer may I add. You know being kind. What community members do. Be kind:)

    So yes I understand people are busy yet their busy doing the same as am now with the GBR but you watch how many will come to that thread. Not one. Why is that, is the question I’d like to know.
    Bothers me as you can tell. But I feel I am ranting so I’ll move on…. And no theirs no rush, not now anyway. Again I’ll DM ya later.


    For your file spaces then what you can do to help save space is use CC as a huge storage space. Or
    So right now I have around 270 liveries across three accounts. That’s PSN accounts.
    And I have 5 TSW titles across 2 platforms. PS4 and PS5 (TSW3 to 5 on PS5 only)
    Each account for each game and on the two platforms will allow me to to move or free space up.
    IE if I ever ran out on TSW5 on PS5. All I need to do is…

    A, Make sure a livery is on CC before deleting from LD. Don’t worry you can download work at anytime if you want to re work on them or make a copy. Use the CC server as what is designed for. Storage and sharing of your work. Just download as when you need.

    Or B. Again make sure you have any work on CC before deleting if you need space.
    So on TSW5 PS5. Run out of space, upload to CC open up TSW4 or TSW3 on PS4 or 5 and download to where you want.
    You can have games for certain companies then. Make from one game and download to another as a GBRf saver game.
    I have TSW3 but don’t play it yet I can still use it for storage of work done on TSW5.

    Meaning I have more space than I’d ever need. I have a strong back of work to call upon as and when needed because I’ve catalogued all my work and now where each and every one is. So here I have no TSW2 or TSW3 work on TSW5 as I don’t need them.
    If I do then I’ll download it from CC to TSW5 and away I go.

    So if you say have TSW4 and don’t use, then send any work to CC from TSW5 to TSW4 and use TSW4 for storage of one or two brands or certain DLCs. I have one game storing 66s and one full of 47s. One for fictional work then one for TOCs.
    I can supply myself if ever the demand is there.

    One sec I need a break, lol.

     
    • Like Like x 1
  50. rigsby#3981

    rigsby#3981 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2022
    Messages:
    1,836
    Likes Received:
    3,119

    For clean or dirty. One of them. If I can because I have decals available then I will. If not then the CCC won’t see one.

    Spam well that depend on what DTG would class as Spam or abuse of the system.
    So if I was to find a way to define what spam is on TSW then it would be this.

    Work placed in a quality manner. So clear photos or description. It’s a user placing work up and use what DTG provides.
    Fair use.
    But if you get one photo, no description and the same but posted under a multitude of titles then I’d consider that spamming.
    Unfair use, and abuse of DTG systems.
    I’ve seen some users upload a few wagons or passenger coaches up in one go yet that just how I’d do it.
    A time structure we adhere too. So that’s fair use. Yet is hourly re uploading necessary, and would that be classified as unfair use because it’s being done outside of fair use terms. Once uploaded that’s fair use, more than twice is unfair because it’s abuse of a system that’s already provided a successful service by uploading work on CC as the user intended.

    So for TSW that’s what’s I’d consider spamming. DTG have loads of information about this kind of stuff in their T&Cs.
    If you want a read give us a shout and I’ll try send you to a place or provide some links to gather info.

    And hey that great news then, I’m surprised as I say about how well 66 713 has been received by the CC community.
    I think that’s what it’s about, the numbers for me or not about being popular but more to do with how the work is being used because it brings joy or reality to the game. For what’s better, using a plan boring LNER livery or something special that gives one a buzz because it stands out at the platforms. This photo should sum up what I mean about feeling special.
    IMG_4028.jpeg IMG_4034.jpeg
    Which one would make you feel special if you was to choose one. And be honest:)
    So when I see the numbers it saying to me that others do enjoy having something different which can add a whole different dimension to the atmosphere or what’s seen. I know all that hard work is being appreciated and bring entertainment that’s all:)

    As Long as non of my work is on 0 then I’m happy with that.

    Letters and what’s used. If you use the custom text then it will still use the same amount of decals as it would by hand.
    It just saves time really, and it does work well in some applications. Yet by hand with each letter is better just because of how well they look over using the custom text feature. Downside is takes longer but as you have seen and said for your self. Work does thank you for it.
    So yes I’ll keep me eyes peeled then.

    And I had the MRL one already in line for you so not a problem;). Could you get more pictures of all the codes and details if I can’t find them for myself. You know me, if it’s on the real deal then it’s got to be on the model:)

    Ive seen your list so again I’ll short that out for you soon.
    And hey heads up I will be makes some concept work on the GBR side for freight if you’re interested in a little play time:)
    A quick test run photo. IMG_4156.jpeg IMG_4157.jpeg

    My thinking is if GBR operates all 66s then each one could have its own unique colour for each sector or division.
    Like the passenger side as seen below. IMG_4151.jpeg
    The theme works on UK passenger and freight operations. Major unified lol.

    Again no rush tho mate my left hand is not good, not good at all:(

     
    • Like Like x 1

Share This Page