Locomotives/trains We Should Get In Future

Discuss new Trains for Train Sim World 5 and future games.

 

There is a whole Suggestions forum where we already do this!

 

It doesn't matter, Matt confirmed One handle EMUs sell so that's all we're gonna get from DTG while they chase money.

We now rely on third parties for other types of traction.

 

Voted electric but want also bimodal trains like the 800 GWR

 

I just want a voyager or a 156

(I know we have the 153 but that just adds to my point, it can't be that hard to make the changes from the 153 to the 156)

 

You obviously don’t know the Sprinter classes very well. The 156’s were built by Metro Cammell and used a completely different body design than the 155’s from which the 153’s were converted and built by Leyland. Mechanically yes there are similar with the same Cummins diesel engine and Voith transmissions.

With no Cross Country licence in place the chances of a 220 or 221 in TSW remain very slim.

 

I'm new here i didn't know that, my apologies friend

 

No worries, wasn’t trying to be clever or unofficial moderator (which I hate) but you will see a rich selection of ideas in there. Sadly few get past DTG’s internal process for adoption into actual content products. In particular we are seeing a dearth of anything BR Classic diesel loco or DMU wise at least from DTG themselves, as the money men above the EP’s position feel only modern sells.

 

Each to their own but I’m surprised how many people want emu’s, I wouldn’t mind that with some slam doors, but they’d probably turn their nose up at that and say eww ancient.

 

Right off the bat, gotta say, not a fan of single handle EMUs. I personally find them to be boring and uber simple to drive.

To be fair, the EMU fans are right in that since TSW is heavily oriented towards Europe and a lot of their trains are single handle EMUs...it's inevitable that a majority of trains in this sim are single handled - tis the unfortunate reality.

They're easy to drive, fast, and easy to stop on the mark, so its not hard to avoid unsatisfyingly over or undershooting the stop marker at platforms. Many, particularly EU-based players, might be local to routes where they have these types of trains and hence are fans - as much as I don't find them entertaining, if Caltrain released with the updated KISS EMUs, I'd get it simply because those run on my home rails.

And while to me a train isn't a train unless it has seperate handles for throttle and brakes (grew up being a fan of US locomotives, and love the older stock here in Japan), most modern trains are being built so that the two are combined...sadly for us as players. Not all but seemingly half of the single handlers, I call glorified light rail vehicles...and it doesn't help that they look like light rail cars/streetcars/trams.

Though, even the various Shinkansen types has seperate handles for throttle and brakes (it may be a traditionalist and a rejection of modern advancements...but, IMO, single handle needs=skill issue)

 

This will always be dictated by Route/Scenery so the poll is irrelevant.. Its been stated recently that the push above is for modern and that's probably because its what brings casual players in who may ride the rail or live close to a line where if they can emulate what they see IRL then they are more likely to possibly purchase. Where more often then not on these forums you'll have more your hardcore train enthusiast who want nothing more then steam, 50s/60s/70s/80s/90s locos to relive childhood memories and as stated above control more then 1 stick, which is great to see/want but feel the reliance will be on Just trains or another third party developer as your go to for Nostalgia Locos as they are also willing to create scenery from yester year..

Im an 80s baby but I voted EMU's, but my needs/wants out of TSW are completely different to others, for me I live on the other side of the world, not as hardcore as some, more causal I guess, so I want the rail scene/scenery around Europe more of what you see today as my enjoyment doesn't come from just driving but what I see out the cab, along with train spotting in game, so I go for modern scenery plus full TTs and avoid anything that is pre 2010/15, unless I need the layer and a modded TT for the current time period is available over at the community.

 

Sorry I meant the 155 not the 156

 

Since we have a small variety of British steam routes/locos, I hope for a German steam dlc in the future. Sry for that, but I am German and naturally you're interested most in things, you know from your own childhood or real life experiences.
For me it even doesn't matter if it would be a whole route set in the steam era or a loco dlc for railtours. Thanks to the TSG team, that we're getting some appropriate wagons with the E94 dlc. Even more appropriate than the Silberlinge.

 

Any BNSF, Santa Fe, or UP diesels (or fallen flag lines/locos that merged with those railroads). Also, US steam and Amtrak diesel power (especially Siemens Chargers, Genesis P40s/P42s/P32AC-DMs, and P32-8BWHs).

 

I’m not surprised electric is winning. It’s not a good thing, all these constant modern releases hurt TSWs overall variety and reach, but yeah… I’m not surprised…

I voted steam, it’s the obvious area of TSW that desperately needs more attention. Fix the physics. Add AI chuffing adding. Manual firing. New routes/locomotives.

I’m not so concerned about BR Diesel era because we have JT putting out top quality content. Hopefully they’ll carry on down that route, avoiding the modern era.

TSG also seem to be mostly focusing more on historical German routes and stock now, looking forward to that Linke Rhienstrecke pack!

Yeah, we really need steam to make a comeback now.

 

I would be interested to see the sales figures for the two JT routes against the other UK routes. Are they really much less popular!

I voted steam which I know is pointless.

Anyway back to TSC.

 

We need new steam not more electric!

I would like to see the LMS fowler F3, GWR class 5700, A1, A2, normal A3 and A4

 

All I want is a Cl.50….is it too much to ask for ????

 

Yup.
"New" is always "better."
Then again, age catches us all in the end.
Gotta admit the definition of "old" and "new" keep moving forward in time.
What's the 20 year old just getting into TSW going to see as "back when I was a kid"?
10 year old trains.
Most people live urban now or are aroudd trains in urban settings. (Especially in UK/Germany where most TSW content is)
So they want urban commuter stuff.
It just makes sense.
An EMU made after 2000 is considered "nostalgia" for them.

I grew up in a rural area in the US with only diesel traffic (freight and passenger) running right through town.
That's "nostalgic for me." Never rode on an EMU until I was a teenager in the UK.

Gramps ran the railroad hauling coal up from Pennsylvania, but that was before my time and I just heard the stories years later.
The local yard for coal closed in 1971 and with it went the steam trains.

 

Voted Diesel, because I'm constantly used to EMUs of any kind taking over more and more every day, here in my country... And consider myself lucky to still able to enjoy some Loco-coaches services! I love diesel traction, because it's a secondary option here!
Personally, I'd prefer to see more dedicated diesel routes, especially UK and DE-AT (maybe something eastern Europe based)!

 

Eew, ancient

*with upturned nose*

 

I think all the German DLC is on Steam

 

har har har =-)

 

Personally i prefer the older stock more than modern trains, but to be honest the same driving challenges are still present, you still have to learn the breaking points for any given unit/loco, whether its one handed or two handed, i miss the challenge older stock has over newer stock, like factoring the time it takes to both apply the brakes and release them, but thats goes for everything else in life, did i love my 1st few cars, yes, would i prefer them over my modern car, no to be honest as its just easier to drive, to summarise yes modern stuff still has its challenges and things to like, but older stock has you more involved in the process so you tend to get more satisfaction out of mastering them.

 

I guess that's one thing about growing up in the US, though specifically the Silicon Valley. Was born just at the turn of the century in '99 and grew up being a fan of Caltrain and Amtrak/Amtrak California. The newest and hottest thing was the MPI MP36 locomotive for the baby bullet and the Caltrain Bi-Levels, but what I grew up with was the EMD F40PHs and Gallery Cars which ran all the way through to me moving abroad (albeit temporarily for the past 3 years) to Japan.

Those F40s, objectively are ancient since the locomotive type debuted in the mid 70s.

Then again many of the EMUs that run in Okayama Prefecture are still in daily revenue service and left over from the National Railways Era (JNR / Pre-JR privatization), with the local train types debuting back in 1968, and going strong.

 

I've just had a look on Steam and you're right. All the German dlcs are on Steam. Can't imagine how I missed this until now. Thanks a lot

 

Personally I’d love to try the APT. I know it didn’t enter service but to try that on scenarios etc would be great

 

Anytime frendo

 

All I want is a UK diesel freight loco that isn’t a class 66!

 

how about a class 59 then

 

Any first generation dmu of the UK that isn't a 101. There were many other classes that are still unrepresented. Mechanically they were mostly alike with either AEC, Leyland or Leyland Albion engines or the few that had Rolls Royce engines and/or hydraulic transmission.

 

Amazed that we still don't have the Class 59s. Surely this is low hanging fruit as the overused Class 66 is largely the same.

 

Class 70

 

Modern one handled EMUs may be simpler to control, but the number and type of safety systems has increased. I would say the mental load on the player is about the same, if you turn them on.

 

A Class 108 should most definitely be in the game by now.
Though my first shout would still be a Swindon Class 120 (and a decent route to run it on).

 

Seriously, how can there not be such a Chinese beauty in the game?) - with the graphics on the UE, it would look amazing

 

Because DTG doesn't want to do it and the Chinese Dev's on TSC haven't or don't want to make the switch to TSW.

I know Just Trains and PhantomGroup made it for TSC, but it would be pointless unless someone makes a route for it.....

 

I think UW might have dabbled with Chinese stuff in TSC, but as we know they are still occupied with Tadami.

There’s also the issue of licensing and potential language barriers, which DTG would need to go through with the Chinese railway operators to get the trains and a route into TSW.

 

or this insanity:

this one has six segments and is used (as far as I know) only on this line for heavy freight... but well, it is that kind of Chinese insanity/extravaganza - y know, this is solved in most countries by using 6 or more locos in MU formations, but China needs sth extra also for propaganda purposes so they can show they can do better and bigger

 

They've dabbled only twice officially for TSC, one being the very unpopular Shanghai Maglev route, and the other being Guiguang High Speed Railway.

Given the fact that Chinese stuff still gets released on TSC on steam (Like the recent CR400AF) I just don't see DTG even bothering with anything Chinese, if the 3rd party devs just keep making them for TSC.

 

This is reminiscent of the B-units for the F7 and all other similar US streamlined diesel locomotives of the mid-20th century...except now since it's an EMU, they're semi-permanently stuck together and are unable to be grown or shrunk with need. If hauling gargantuan (by non-US standards) coal trains is its only mission in life, then it's fine I suppose.

 

Class 20, 33, 37, 40, 45, etc..

Now if you mean "modern"...well the 66 does do maybe 80-90% of the freight in the UK.
They really consolidated down, and the relative few there are (like Class 70) are few in number and mostly under companies DTG doesn't have licenses to like Freightliner.

I'm not sure what the difference is between TSC and TSW that requires one to have licenses while the other can make what they want (I'm guessing something to do with consoles because TSW has console support and TSW doesn't?) Maybe TSC is lower fidelity so they don't need "access" to a Class 70 to create it accurately like in TSW? I dunno.

Anyway, I'd like to see "modern" stuff too, but reality is reality.

If there's any exceptions I'd love to hear them to see them suggested.
For now, I think the 66 is "accurate" as it's what's on the rails mostly, so while boring...well sometimes corporate reality is boring.
If you want variety there's always BR blue and green era! =-) (ironically given it was so many types under the one Brit Rail)

 

They mean modern freight trains like class 70

 

Neither of those are used for regular freight traffic.

 

They were though.
What do you mean "regular" freight?
They carried freight all the time.
Some did right up to recent times.
I think there's still a few dozen "working" 37s and the 20s carried nuclear flasks around (might still be for all I know)
Why not just be specific in what you DO want instead of just throwing a vague notion out?
Instead of just "something besides the 66" which is negative and not constructive...say something like "a Class 70" or "how about a class 56?"
Again, if you want variety that's available (much of it in preservation) then you'd be better off going back to BR era.
That had the most variety and unique models while being more accessible by game devs to create.

 

90% of modern uk routes don’t allow you to use br era locomotives for freight hence why it’s also brought up and well we don’t even have the correct liverys

 

To be fair, people always want the "new loco" to go with a "new route" anyway, and others complain incessantly if you use retro stock on a "modern" route, so I just figured the new loco would go on a new route anyway.
Although if you're talking just stand-alone loco DLC sure, it can go on a lot of older era routes now. Yes, some people get picky on what EXACT features you need (the same historical Class 37 in real life running today was built before 1965 and will have lots of add on signs, lights, other changes so it won't be the EXACT same in different era even if it is the SAME loco in reality) as it would have been upgraded.
I personally don't have a problem with "fudging" it a bit as you can always modify with community liveries and such and "close enough" is okay with me.

If we want to go with niche for variety, how about an upgraded traditional, such as a Class 57 on GWR/DRS, which would be based on the Class 47 anyway? The basic model is already there, it's popular, it's "updated" for modern routes (safety systems, lights, engine upgrade, etc) and I think DTG has GWR and DRS licenses to use them. The 57 in particular has a common engine (EMD 645) that's on a lot of different locos in game in one form or another, so it'd be pretty easy to "frankenstein" it even if you don't have access. Basically the body of a 47 and the engine of an American GP. Even though they only had a few dozen of them upgraded, it'd be something "different" and doable with the assets DTG already has. If anything the "hardest" part would be pleasing the detail people knowing what exact switches, signals and paintjobs would be accurate, or obsessing over what routes it "should" go on. I'll be honest, a Class 57 would be a lot of fun with the British body styling and the American diesel in an updated package.

Or the 50 or 60 Class 37s running currently, or the updated Class 20s that haul the nuclear flask trains.

As I said, they're "niche" and not many were made, but that's increasingly true with most of the new stuff too compared to the huge fleets of yesteryear. Perhaps an in between would be a Class 50 in BR (not sure what Route it would work on, but something west coast?) an EWS Class 56 for GWE would work too.

 

I'm going to bump the Class 57 in the "suggestions" thread to keep it current and noticed. Might not do much, but it can't hurt.
I think it's very achievable with little work and would sell.
Given that it'd take a LOT less work (the assets for it are already in the game) they could put it out for under $15, maybe bundle it with the remastered GWE for a promotion, and layer it on multiple routes (basically have it sub in for the Class 47 and Class 66 everywhere)
If people don't want to use it because it's not the right livery then fine, but layering it all over to cover both 47 and 66s on MOST routes would be a HUGE selling point for me as a casual. Definitely worth a $10-15 buy for me, and with very little new design work to get it to market, low investment and low cost= big sales so lots of profit.
Heck, even a relatively small third party could run with the idea since it doesn't involve much new design, you don't have to create a route or timetables. A group like Athena could even do it as a project (nice rework of the 47 cab on their release)
And the biggest complaint about the 47 there was that it's "not modernnized"... which wouldn't be the issue here since the Class 57 would be up to 2000s safety standards from their rebuilds.

 

I would like to see DTG go back on their word and release a Prairie Tank Engine and a Manor Class, so popular on heritage railways.

It would be wonderful if DTG could release a pack similar to their main game, yearly packs by releasing some heritage routes, which are all smaller in length, than the WSR, routes like SVR, KWVR and the Bluebell line together with some of the Steam Locomotives that operate on those lines. I would be happy to pay £50 or more for a pack like that and feel that this would enhance the game experience immensely.