Speculations: Next German Tsg Route?

It's still the way to "bring" no revenues on the table. The loco has to being built anyways for this, but with basically no reasonable benefits for the massive work it implies. That's a big NO, at least from my perspective.

 

Looking at things from a different perspective, the hint could also refer to an early electrified route. Freely translated, “Our locos have stopped smoking” was a public slogan DB had with an interesting poster of an E10 and another Einheitselok.

Again, I’d love a TSG take on a German steamer, but with three confirmed “no”s from major developers now (Victory Works, Just Trains, Maik), I see the chances of that being what Lukas’ side (I assume) of TSG is working on as very slim. That said, I think it was Ed actually who happily clarified some Simugraph points for us in our Realistic Steam Challenge Thread, so who knows?

 

Here's the poster.

The left loco is an E10.3:

The right loco is an E41:

 

Ok guys hear me out. You kow how the BR 628 has this nice detail in the Zugfunk 70 Pannel? The Train Number there reads 628. When first playing on MITT I remember driving the DBB 111 and being disapointed (overdramatised) there not being the number 111 set as the train number. It also just reads 628.

I just drove a service with the RH 1020 and noticing that this loco doesn't reuse the train number 628. Instead it uses the train number 85007. I thought that was interesting until realising what it might mean. We know about the Route being in Barden Würtemberg, might including a Steam locomotive and now the suspicious train number.

My proposal is the Route from Donaueschingen to Freiburg im Breisgau (Höllentalbahn) in the late 1950s.

Well how does that all connect?
Read the train number as 85 007 or DBB BR 85 running number 007. Reading up on the History of this Loco you will notice that this is the only surviving loco of its kind and is owned by "Kameradschaftswerk der Eisenbahner Freiburg". The Höllentalbahn was also the general home to the BR 85 locomotive.

The Wikipedia article also says: "Even the electrification of the line did not make the locomotives obsolete. In some cases, they were used alongside electric locomotives."

That means we would have a typical TSW route with 1 new loco and something reused.
I think the BR 110.3 in DBB Cobalt Blue will be the reused loco.

I guess the TSG team has a cooperation with the association "Kameradschaftswerk der Eisenbahner Freiburg" in order to get references for this loco, similar to the upcoming E94 pack.

That theory would check all the boxes: Next Stop BaWü! -> check, Steam loco -> check, suspicious train number -> hint to what loco and intern what route -> check.

But what du you guys think? Is this just a coincidence or am I on to something here?

 

You literally have written by TSG three posts above that they are not going to make any steam loco.

 

Thank goodness.
I hate steam locomotives.
They are clumsy, dirty and smelly.

 

Thank god TSW doesn't simulate steam coming up from your PC. Or well, it does, if you put it on 4k while having a potato PC

(but seriously, this can't be your best take on steam locos?)

 

No, that would be the passengers

 

Funny enough diesels are the same and well if an electric train goes up in flames that would also be the same.

DTG only seems pay attention you steam hating people for some reason even though SOS was the highest selling in tsw2 or tsw3 confirmed by a few from DTG

 

I don't want to be in that state.
Absolutely not.
It's just plain pitiful.

 

I would like higher quality steam trains in game but hell at this point I will take a steam train from real life

 

What are you even talking about? This is a game... And it sure is better than the state the game (or forums) is in currently. But then again, the bar is so low it has to be buried somewhere.

 

Same here! Unfortunately, the EU share this view

...so that won't happen, which is why I hate them. Well, one of the too many reasons to do so, anyway...

 

Can you quote where that information came from?
They are beautiful routes (esp PFR) but the backlash from a few players was pretty loud.
I'd love if this thread didn't turn into a fistfight over steam though, and AGAIN derail yet another different topic thread.
The topic ...a new TSG route.
TSG says they basically aren't doing one.
So...... why keep talking about steam?
There are only about 30+ other threads on steam in TSW to go to and discuss that. =-)
Can we have this one just for new TSG routes?

 

It’s been sent multiple times and I can’t be ass trying to search for next two hours for information most people who like steam already know, also you’re saying this like this isn’t a normal thing to happen in this community where a form goes off topic for a bit specially when there’s no damn news

 

I know it's one of those things that has been SAID a lot of times as a rumor or "I heard from a guy."
I was asking if you had actual information to confirm it.
And yes off topic happens.
That's why I asked politely for it to get back on track. =-)

 

We had a message from one of the dgt members quite far in the forms about it

 

There’s probably more examples but found this one pretty easily, happy now? (And yes I will eventually find the other ones)

 

Leaping back to the 1950s would be a bridge too far I think for TSG (or TSW generally). A fair amount of groundwork has been laid building older rolling stock which can move back into the past- a reasonable distance, that is. The 110, n-wagen + cab car, 111, 103, 218 and Krokodil (and "oldifying" some of these for earlier periods as well). Even the m-wagen at least have a basic shell, although the Flix coaches are very altered from their old DBB form. In other words, there is a solid rolling stock base in existence already for going back to ca. 1970 (with the addition of, say, a 140 and maybe a VT 95, or a V 100). But the 50s is an alien country, with almost no usable rolling stock in-game.

 

He literally said people are demanding the "modern stuff."
He just referenced steam as being "significantly better than BR era" in popularity.
The point wasn't that steam was as popular as the modern stuff or requested a lot.
That's still not saying it was among the "highest selling" as you stated.

Look, I'm not trying to make it sound mean but... bigger seller than SEHS or MML or Niddertalbahn?
Bigger than Dresden or Cathcart, Sandpatch Grade or London Commuter?

I really would honestly like to see those sales numbers. Not to disprove you personally, but to see what actually has sold and compare to what people think does. I think Matt has pretty much stuck to what he said... they're doing modern UK stuff and a few older German routes as requested.
(Third parties aside because DTG doesn't own them so like JT they can do what they want)

As this pertains to the current thread.... well if you look at Mitten that just came out... it's exactly that, a 1980s German route with even older loco (Crocodile from the 1940s) Given that it sounds popular (no sales figures there either of course) it'd make sense for TSG to follow that up (like Just Trains did) with something similar. Heck, maybe even take a page from their book and do a connecting route to Mitten in the same time period.

Would the stock from Mittten be usable in the larger region or anything branching off Innsbruck or Garmisch? Where would the Crocs or 111's go after hitting those destinations? Anywhere that would be interesting?

 

Like I said I will find the better one, hell I don’t think it was actually on the forms it could of been during one of the live streams and tbh we are really just going off word of mouth from the higher ups from DTG because they never actually showed the truth numbers but the guy who did is known to mostly tell the truth

 

If I remember correctly SOS sold great..but there were lots of complaints on it after release, especially the physics and no manual fireman. And the commuity at the time called for people to vote with their wallets when PFG came out so that one did poorly.

And I do remember Sam once saying SOS was the highest selling route on a stream at one time. But remember it was the 1st so it came with expectations that were not met.

But my understanding if the situation is that they had already spent so much time and money trying to get the physics to work it basically isn't worth the development costs anymore to continue, and with a large dedicated fan base refusing to purchase with the way the physics are it definately not worth putting on sale.

This is what google AI says.

"Dovetail Games' decision to focus less on steam trains in Train Sim World (TSW) and to potentially abandon the development of new steam locomotives is primarily due to perceived poor sales and the technical challenges of accurately simulating steam physics. They have indicated that the time and resources required for steam content development did not justify the return. "

And also the peanut counters are asking for the routes that will sell the most to be made by DTG and the 3rd parties can take risks.

This just said by Matt 2 weeks ago.

Plus I have seen posts by people with TSG, JT and Skyhook say they have no plans to work on Steam in its current state.

The only way to fix it is to fix the Simugraph code and that is owned by DTG so no 3rd parties have access to change it.

So unless they make a route with existing physics that is the only way, but also a sure way to fail.

 

You can probably start off the 232 being released at the end of the year, assuming they went full into production of another route right after finishing Kittenwaldbahn, that could align with that window as well. And they will need somewhere to place that loco, as its usage on current route selection is rather limited. 1980s-1990s in the east would be very refreshing.

218 is honestly also still waiting for any usage whatsoever, so some diesel mainline after reunification is probably also a good bet, with 628 or 642 as a base.

 

I once again chuck Obereruhrtalbahn into the ring! My go to route in Zusi, 2 and 3.

Then there’s Schuntertalbahn as depicted in Zusi 2 probably too obscure to pass TSG’s version of the LAMPOIL test though it would be a Day 1 for me. Loved that diversion day timetable that Carsten supplied with it, usually ended up deleting at leat one train to get through from Wolfsburg to Braunschweig.

 

Similar to many here, i also believe we are talking about the Höllentalbahn.
The thing is i dont believe it will be much of a backdated route.
Lukas once mentioned one major aspect of the backdated routes they make, especially Mittenwaldbahn, is the reference material.
If i got that right, they had a bunch of ideas for a backdated route, but Mittenwaldbahn was the only one they could get enough references for.
An extremely time consuming thing.
Looking at this and the statements from much known developers regarding steam engines, i do believe this could be the first rather modern TSG route.
Especially as TSG never released a route without completely new rolling stock, i also cant think of a fitting loco representing the entire route, like the 1020 for MITT or the 628 for NID.
Sure some old electric cargo loco would be cool, but i would welcome a Br 1440 from Bwegt the same way.
Im not 100% sure but if they still want to make classic much known stock i can think of a Wittenberger STW too.
Maybe they threw in some high entry dostos and an Br 146.0? who knows.

 

That made my heart beat faster. Pleasepleaseplease ......

 

Lukas said on Discord a while ago that TSG aren't planning on doing modern stuff any time soon, so I am guessing it will be backdated (unless they have changed their mind)

https://discord.com/channels/373055767642898433/373056348453339136/1317129950293262537

 

I‘m Not gonna like Oldschool Routes or when DTG make only Dostos from 4 Generation for don’t making new trains

 

So who will build the modern freight wagons that are shamefully lacking in the TSW, such as those for the transport of trailers, etc. etc.?
What needs to be done to make the DTG understand the need for them?

 

Start by doing a well researched thread in the suggestions section

I really hope skyhook will do a german cargo line at some point.

But back to TSG.