Locomotives/trains We Should Get In Future

Not sure how much work "heritage" lines take compared to a more modern one. I'd suspect they could get a lot more access working with small museums/heritage lines and have far lower licensing fees (if any, maybe they just want the publicity) However, as much as I personally like them (and don't mind simple steam like we have in game) I'm not sure that's anything beyond a niche market. I especially don't see lines with mostly steam stuff as that's very.... divisive.... as even a discussion topic.

They make modern EMU stuff to "make money" so anything beyond that is more fun fun or vanity as far as DTG is concerned.

 

The big problem with UK heritage lines is the 25 MPH overall speed limit with much lower limits for hazards such a level crossings, than you would see on the National Rail network. As testified by West Somerset Railway where it takes 90 minutes to cover 18 miles. Another example where the real thing is more fulfilling than trying to simulate on a computer screen.

 

Real question why do people love EMUs? when they are basically all the same and only requires to pull one thing and boom you move or break.

like at least we steam and diesel you have few more things and well most are different from each.

and don’t give that bs excuse of young people liking EMUs more because if that was true we wouldn’t have all the old steam and diesel rail tours and special railways for them, you see a ton of young people there who love the old and unique trains.

And well I know this because I’m young, only being 19, I mean hell I’ve been liking the old since I was like 3

 

After a hard days graft sometimes I just want to unwind and relax this is when I’ll lean towards the easier single handle EMUs routes which can operated without too much brain usage.

Other times I want a more interesting drive in which case I’ll go for something else.

I guess more people fall into the first camp than the 2nd more often then not

 

I'm 27 year old, when i was a kid and started to get passionate of trains, most of them was EMUs and today we have only EMUs, this is probably why i like most electric traction and bi mode or dual mode, i have also all the old era contents in game (apart WCMLOS for now) but i drive most of the time electric trains

 

more freight locos that isnt the bloody shed (66 or 59).
Class 90 and class 91.

And honestly i dont give a big LOVE about MUs. DTG is lazy.

 

For me it's what I grew up with. I have so many fond memories of the early days of the modern EMUs.

I remember when Electrostars and Desiros started rolling out on Portsmouth services to replace the slam-door stock, it felt like entering the space age. When I took a trip up to Waterloo, noticing for the first time around Guildford that the trains started to appear in the red metro variety rather than the white/blue long-distance liveries they wore at my end of the line. It may seem silly as they all looked the same as each other within their classes, but it was something new and different and exciting to me.

Just as many people on here fondly remember steam heated coaches, bumpy buffet cars and blinking soot out of your eyes when sticking your head out of the window, I have my own collection of formative experiences from the railways as they were when I was growing up, and those are the experiences I want to re-live when I pick up the controller to play TSW - they may be more recent, but are no less meaningful to me.

Of course, the other side of the coin is that I get to experience places, operations and eras that I never have in real life, just as you say with steam (I'm also a massive fan of diesel and electric locomotive-hauled services, which don't exist in huge numbers in the UK any more), but for me it just doesn't give me the same glow and satisfaction as playing something that is so central to my lived railway experiences.

 

Something very flexible and useful on many routes would be nice. Just discovered last night on the Frankfurt Vectron that you can change lots of settings on the display screen. Language, traction, braking, even the voltages! You can drive it on German maps (of course), in the UK, Switzerland, Netherlands, etc. Discovering something new is fun (to me) and also being able to use a loco in many different areas.
That's one advantage of a diesel actually. It opens up more opportunity when you don't have to stick to specific electrified tracks at the proper voltage.
Too bad there's not more loco swapping that can be easily done with substitutions. I get it... some aren't in game or some aren't "historical" the route. But with routes being set in stone for a specific date, you miss out on all the OTHER times that route existed, even if it wasn't exactly the same.
For example we have one part of the WCML by Shap set in the 1980s and the other part by London-Euston 40 years later. I get why they won't make the routes many times over at different dates (confusing, costly, not profitable) but it does somewhat limit possibilities.
You can't run modern trains on the 80s routes or 80s trains on the modern routes, even if they did run there, they just didn't run there then.
So, it kind of limits what we can get in game.
For example, I'd love a Class 25 in the game. They were numerous, used all over, and many are in preservation.
However, where would it go?
Our earliest UK lines in game are set in the late 1980s when they were out of service.
I mean it was an important loco in service for 25+ years, but you'd have to "fudge" dates a bit to get them included anywhere.
Shap maybe... as a railtour? (But that's not really fair to the 25 which was a workhorse. A single railtour thing isn't enough to make a whole loco for)
It was a few years too late for SOS or PFR. (interestingly I think one is still preserved near Peak Forest somewhere?)
Few years retired too soon for BPO or Shap.

See what I mean?
It's sorta "stuck" limited by what we have in game and how we're already tied down to specific, limiting routes and times.
Not without waiving the strict rules a bit.
I think some sort of "fudge" pack where people who WANT them can GET those locos (like Diesel Legends) and can substitute them in all over lots of routes for fun would sell pretty good. I get it... you wouldn't get a 1960s or 1970s route to "properly" do a Class 25 or a Class 55... but how many people would still get it just to have one? Make them widely available to substitute in and you might be able to find something in it's "class" that's "close enough" to run.
Again, railtours just aren't the same as running something in a timetable/scenario as "working."
I wanna see a 25 or 55 "working" even if it's a bit out of place running on the PFR or ECML as in the game.
For those who don't want them.... well, you won't see it in your game if you don't buy and use it.
Using the examples listed, the 25 could sub in for any 20, 31 or 33 in game, or any of the steam units on PFR/SOS. They're very similar performance.
A 55 could easily sub in for almost anything given it had plenty of power from a 40 to a 45 to even a 66 modern day to fit on routes.

That's my suggestion... a pack of the "probably won't gets" that everyone has been asking for but there is no "place" for in the game since DTG has painted itself into a corner in many cases. Make them widely used for substitutions and "fudging" the dates/locations.

 

Nope, earliest route is NTP, which is a early 80's route.

https://live.dovetailgames.com/live...cles/article/pre-order-northern-trans-pennine

 

Would you care to address the larger issue at all?

 

well, it is a chill experience, you just set up a few things, turn on safety stuff and off you go... personally, I also like the acceleration and braking these convenient machines bring (also in-game)... they usually speed up like devil is chasing em and many can also stop very rapidly, even if you lose focus momentarily

personally I also like EMUs/DMUs IRL - here is my fav train, which also happens to be an EMU - Siemens Desiro ML in Austrian OBB CityJet livery (a symbol of Viennese S-Bahn, now almost for almost a decade almost, pretty much, just like 4020s used to be):

vmax 160 and it reaches that speed in an almost uncanny way

I get where you come from with your opinion, but I am a fan of modern traction... be it locos or MUs, electric, diesel, battery...

 

There’s EMU’s and there’s EMU’s. Many of us old UK veterans would like to see some older pre PEP Southern units such as EPB’s, VEP’s, CIG’s (BIG’s), CEP’s (BEP’s) and REP’s plus the 4TC trailer units the latter dragged or pushed around. You also have the classic third rail units up on Merseyside, 502’s and 503’s. Over on AC lines, all the Great Eastern and LTS classes, 302, 305 and of course the 309 Clacton units. On the London Midland Lines you had 304’s, 310’s and later 312’s with the 303’s and 311’s in Scotland on Glasgow suburban.

Any of those on a suitable route would be a Day One purchase vs. an Electrostar or modern Desiro.

Though the irony is, many of the “classic” British EMU’s tended to have the power and motor gear on one of the inner cars so the end vehicles were usually Driver Trailers. So some artistic licence needed to pipe the traction sounds into the cab!

 

l know the WSR very well and visit it several times in a year. DTG have done a pretty accurate job of it and l feel their simulation closely matches the real life line.

Yes it has a 25mph speed limit, but that sometimes is better than a mainline route where you have to reduce speed quickly from about 160kph to 25kph on some German routes!

 

Well yes and in line with what I mused on, bouncing along a heritage railway at 25 MPH with all the tactile feel and atmospheric smells (steam or diesel), is a vastly different experience to 1’s and 0’s painting it on a computer screen.

 

As I have mentioned before, we are still missing one of the passenger type of train, which is growing in the world, but of course mainly in Europe: Double-decker EMU!
Hopes we have one this year!

Even in the USA they have replaced the Diesel trains, by the type I mentioned above, on Caltrain Penninsula Corridor route!

 

Main Spessart Bahn ?

 

Stadler KISS <3

 

I get what you're saying Vern, but that's true of everything in a video game. It's never going to be as realistic as "being there" but we still keep playing the sim anyway =-) I think it's kind of a personal opinion on if it's enjoyable or not. To me personally, bouncing around in a video game on the slow WSR in a Jubilee or an cranky old 31 is still more fun and "atmospheric" than "vooooming" along quietly in an EMU in real life. It's hard to quantify, just personal feel and opinion. I'd rather play a trip on WSR rather than take the subway in NYC, even though the subway is more "real"... it's not more "fun."

(Then again, for other people it's probably the other way around. LIRR and Harlem routes exist for a reason)

 

Strange though it may seem, one of the most absorbing experiences to me is the Azuma on ECML, even though I hate the things IRL (well the GWR equivalent) but DTG actually put on a really good show with it.

 

i would really like to see these stadler euro loc’s. just a beautiful loc and i think it would be nice to have a diesel electric so you can use it on rail with overhead wires and without. it is be used in several countries in europe and the uk it can do freight and passenger services so all in all cool loc to have

 

I'd buy a DE that subs in for the other Vectrons in a heartbeat.
First day buy if it's not insanely expensive.
The development cost would be almost nothing since we already have several Vectrons in game and it's just a minor tweak.

 

This discussion of one-handle-EMU's versus oldschool diesel reminds me a lot of my colleagues with their endless discussion of tea versus coffee. Sometimes I feel like an anomaly for liking both
Same goes with driving trains. At times, I'm perfectly happy taking my ICE from Kassel to Würzburg, setting the AFB and basically do nothing except pacifying that pesky SIFA every now and then
And other times I have fun navigating my 1020 up from Innsbruck to Mittenwald... a wholly different experience, but just as fun!
Or some occasional shunting action with the 363 every now and then. In many ways, those complicated shunting services can be more challenging than the longer route runs.
Variety is key, I tend to like a little bit of everything

Regarding locos I'd like to see ingame, I'm gonna quote myself from another thread:

I think, regarding German content, these two would add the most value to the game. Both could be implemented on soooo many existing German routes
I'd also have a couple of other, more outlandish ideas, but I guess they all wouldn't be very practical considering the current selection of routes...

 

I'm honestly wondering why those aren't already in the game?

 

that sounds like a perfect idea then :p the nice thing is that the locomotive is not tied to 1 country so you can have it in several versions

 

the 294 would be very cool yes. I see this one very often in almelo NL.

I'm not really a fan of the 140 I prefer modern locos that you see nowadays like the stadler

 

So do i!

I have mentioned on previous posts too, about would be great to have a 6 axle modern locomotive!
We have the BR 155, which I like very much!
Despite it is old, it is a different experience when driving, but also it sounds different, despite it is electric.

I love the Class 66!
But I would also like to have a modern era one.

In my country - Uruguay -, our train company have purchased recently 10 units of the Stadler.
More to come in the next years.

They are already running.
The route it is also completely new, with cement sleepers, digital and LED signals and latest satellite technology, for tracking train position.







DB is part of the private railroad company created.
Train drivers went to Germany, for training purposes.

 

A Deltic with lot's of clag, please. Allow it to be run on any UK route, even if not prototypical/realistic.

A Challenger for US steam, more Bombardier and /or Siemens EMU's...

 

nice stuff mate. i love the stadler and it just belongs in the game in my opinion

 

the stadler can also drive in real life in the UK so why not in game

the bombardier, siemens stuff is the most beautiful in my opinion but everyone has their own taste

 

It's probably already been mentioned but the Class 91 is seriously overdue (as is the 222 on Midland Mainline)

The ECML route would be so much nicer with both 91s and Azuma's. (Plus Hull Trains, Grand Central and Lumo even though the latter would be undrivable due to no stops on the playable area and Grand Central would have limited drivable services, but maybe just unbranded for those two)

 

i did not vote i like all three options as much