Loco Db Br 101 ‘expert’ - Feedback Thread

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  1. cwf.green

    cwf.green Well-Known Member

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    I have programmed the simulation here to be as per what the manual for the S286 specifies: to make ZDS120 work with a cab car sandwiched between the locomotives you need to open the breaker LSS SPS/ZWS in the cab car and shut off the battery. After this is done the locomotives should work as normal assuming that you have set them up correctly (i.e. ZDS120 in both locomotives and only one active cab).

    If you own the Bremen-Oldenburg route, can you test service IC 2132 in the Expert timetable? It is likely that free roam breaks the simulation here unfortunately, so testing that service would confirm if it is a free roam issue rather than that something wasn't patched correctly back in October/November.

    I will try to debug what the issue is in free roam and see if I can provide workaround steps.

    AFB in LZB Ende should work prototypically since the October/November patch. The only thing you need to do is to cycle the AFB VSoll lever to 0 km/h and back to whatever speed you want to hold. If you don't do it in the time window AFB will automatically start braking for 0 km/h. If the throttle is applied when LZB goes inactive you will also need to reset it to recover traction.
     
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  2. WeightOnWheels

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    That was the service where I noticed the issue in the first place. It's the same in free roam vs timetable.
    I did everything as per BA286 cab car manual, like I wrote in my quoted post. LSS SPS/ZWS off and main battery off and the locos in ZDS120. Additionally I put the Schalter Schlußlicht off because I suppose SSTF is quite similar to TAV, where it needs to be off.
    Issue persists on timetable (IC 2132 without touching anything just spawning in) and also free roam and should be quite easy to replicate.
     
  3. gamerzug#2071

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    Train Sim World® 5 2025-01-13 09-14-29.png Hello Guys i have problem with the Expert 101. When i use the Expert Timetable on all Routes (No Rosenheim Salzburg i dont have testing on this Route) i have a Texture Bug: The Colors of Trains is Slightly pixelated. Show to the vmax/LZB or the UIC. I have no idea how I managed that, I only drive in timetable mode(Expert Timetable) Thank you for help and Sorry for my bad English.
     

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  4. cwf.green

    cwf.green Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately that is a core issue when the texture budget is exceeded. The issue will depend on what route the train is driven on (Frankfurt is especially demanding from my understanding). Nothing we (the BR 101 Expert developers) can do anything about, I'm afraid.
     
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    cwf.green Well-Known Member

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    The good news is that it works in the beta build. The bad news is that it worked in the beta build before last patch :/
    I will let DTG know.
     
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  6. washington#8741

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    Right now I’m playing the Expert 101 and I closed all the doors but it says “Unlock Doors” and tried multiple times to confirmed it’s unlocked. Something is going on with this patch update
     
  7. Isaak

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    Did you enable the train line power (Zugsammelschiene)?
     
  8. washington#8741

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    Yea I already did the train line power but nothing happens afterwards
     
  9. cwf.green

    cwf.green Well-Known Member

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    There hasn't been a patch to the BR101 Expert since November.
     
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  10. bogie

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    The brightness of the engine room in BR101 seems unrealistic. The brightness of the engine room is dependent on the time of the day. At day it's bright and at night it's completely dark if the light of the engine room is switched off. But since it's an enclosed space, I guess it should always be dark with doors on each side closed, regardless of the time.
     
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  11. henry#7365

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    Ps5 the expert 101 doesn't show up on Kassel to würzburg as even a bought layer.
     
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    Did some tests yesterday and found a couple bugs I haven't seen on the FAQ's bug list for this DLC:
    - Indicators on the analog variant aren't working when LZB is active (they're just off, you have to use the fallback screen - Fault simulation is off)
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    - livery designer creations aren't selectable in formation editor - list is empty
    - livery designer creations are only applicable to the analog variant, creating liveries for the MFD unit is impossible
    - cab car's front door handles are always red and not paintable with livery editor
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  14. henry#7365

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    When starting ic 478 the game spawns you on whatever the last station you left the route on was instead of spawning you on the train.
     
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  15. hyperlord

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    And when you make it on time to teleport to Frankfurt Hbf and run to and down the entire platform (it's a very long consist ...) the train is in a total messy state. I wasnt able to enable safety systems, was way to late after tackling all the errors. It left me in a pretty grumpy state. I quit the game after that experience (before I tried reloading the service like 20 times and was spawned at different random stations but never in the loco) for the day ;-)
     
  16. cwf.green

    cwf.green Well-Known Member

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    Ugh, that seems to be caused by the left and right wipers not being in sync and I guess the window material is only controlled by one of the wipers. I need to investigate if this is fixable or if the wipers need to be synced up. The latter would be sad because it's a realistic thing about the wipers not being perfectly synced.
     
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  17. OpenMinded

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    A compromise could be to use the right wiper as the dominating one (to remove the water drops). At the moment the water seems to be removed with the movement of the left wiper, which makes it a bit awkward, as you are basically only looking through the right window...

    I would certainly keep the out of sync movement, tbh!
     
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  18. gamerzug#2071

    gamerzug#2071 New Member

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    Thank you for your help.
    By the way, I play it on the Xbox Series X
    Sorry I'm only replying now
     
  19. razmatus#2517

    razmatus#2517 Well-Known Member

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    since launch this loco/DLC has been incorporated into more timetables... what is the total now? I mean, how can you tell that certain route has this fully incorporated, aka not only BR101 but also IC coaches (and cab car) aka whole consist fully expert, not just loco substitution (Kassel Wurzburg has this I think)?

    In case it is fully expert, I guess it has a separate timetable like "*Route* Expert BR 101 timetable"?

    P.S.: as for new(er) routes, both Kinzingtalbahn and Ludwigsbahn have Expert 101 timetables aka full consist expert, or just Frankfurt Fulda?
     
  20. padruig

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    Absolutely loving this pack for the game, the 101 is my favourite German loco to drive. I have one issue with the scenario "Touchdown", i cant seem get past the task of setting the train heating. Doesn't matter how long i hold the switch for it won't register. The train does work and I can depart but i can't even fail to do this task. Has anyone else had this issue? Happened on both my old laptop and now my new PC.
     

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    Maybe the same problem
     
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    Looks like it is, thanks for that. hopefully a patch comes soon to fix it.
     
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  23. solicitr

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    Can't get going!

    I haven't driven this loco in a long time, and had no problems with it in the past. But now, trying it on the revised Koln-Aachen, I can't get the thing going. Power applies, it starts to roll- and then the motor returns to zero and the brakes come on. If I leave the throttle on, this behavior repeats itself over and over

    What am I doing wrong?

    ZDE data entered correctly
    GSM-R registered
    Safety systems on (by default, expert mode on)
    Train line power reset
    Reverser forward
    Doors closed
    Afb on (40 set)
    brake key unlocked
    brakes released
    parking brake released
    no faults reported by the system
    Not yet under LZB (starting in Aachen)
    Green Hs (clear)
    Power 40%


    EDIT: solved it, as per above. It takes a big slug of power to overcome the AfB autobrake function
     
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  24. solicitr

    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    New puzzle though: I have no lights on in the coaches. Yes, train line has been initiated and, yes, train light switch is on (cycling it also has no effect. No faults currently active.
     
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    To get the brakes to fully release, you need to apply full throttle until it starts rolling and then back off as you build speed.

    If I recall correctly, this is prototypical per cwf.green.
     
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    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I got that one. It's the coach lights that are the problem now.
     
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  27. razmatus#2517

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    this is a new timeline, but I am not sure if this is an EXPERT timeline... if you recall, to get the full trainset simulated on expert (and not just the loco), there usually has to be a separate timetable (like on certain routes you have a regular timetable and then one with Expert 101), tho I am not sure how it is incorporated in this specific new timetable, with it being so massive and all

    I mean, if the loco is expert and the IC coaches are regular, maybe that could cause an issue? but I have no idea to be honest how the Expert 101 is incorporated here... but I am sure cwf or someone else will jump here at some point and clarify stuff :)
     
  28. lukas#9469

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    You need set train light switch to on for 5/10 sec then it should turn on the light
     
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  29. cwf.green

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    The KAH Revamp timetable uses the original BR101 DLC and not the BR101 Expert. It has substitution enabled on the IC formations so you can drive it with the BR101 Expert but the coaches will still be original non-Expert. The compatibility is not perfect and it seems as if train lights is one of the things that doesn't work correctly. I'll investigate what causes this issue but any fix will not be in the upcoming patch since that one is already "locked in" and going through QA.
     
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  30. TemporaryAl

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    I understand it is not strictly related to the Expert 101 at hand here, but if a look is ever being taken at the passenger lights' function, would it be possible to also finally extend their functioning to the Vectrons on which it doesn't? Please?

    I guess a minor bug on the FlixTrain one instead is that it often spawns with coaches with them ON but in-cab it spawns in the default OFF, so you have to cycle them once for it to display correctly.

    P.S. EDIT: ...man okay the situation isn't so simple, it's a big mess. Even the working FT Vectron and HBK Taurus only can turn ON but not OFF the standard IC coaches with the dedicated command. Only what I can assume is the ZS works but then that cuts all power (or would IRL) to them...

    ...honestly this'd lend itself well to another big sweep across all stock the way Maik did for doors, just not sure anyone'd want to bother with that, considering lights aren't needed for game objectives lol
     
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  31. solicitr

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    Yes. I know. That isn't the problem
     
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    Yes, the light goes out as it's supposed to, but the scenario instruction won't clear (making the entire scenario undrivable) Has anyone found a solution to this problem? cwf.green DominusEdwardius
     
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    Any progress on this? It's frustrating as hell.
     
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    And a new problem: the loco wipers don't work! No, it's not a fault- my Storung screen is clear.
     
  35. jesper2805

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    solicitr I have no problems here..... Wipers do work as intended!
     
  36. OpenMinded

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    There is a real hope. It was confirmed that the patch will be pushed out prior to the KWG expert 101 game pack release. As this particular bug was also fixed we now need to cross fingers that DTG has tested this as well and decides to put it into this patch…
     
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    Apparently a glitch - reloading the game fixed it
     
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  38. cwf.green

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    Thank you for reporting this issue, I was not aware of that until I read your comment. I have implemented a fix to make the BR101 Expert able to control the train lights on the old IC coaches (in addition to the ÖBB IC coaches and the Flixtrain coaches, and probably several other coaches - for example I have tested it with the Salzburg-Rosenheim Dosto coaches as well).

    Just to note:
    1. Real IC coaches (and Dosto coaches) do not require the ZS to be energized for the train lights to work. This is simulated prototypically on the IC Expert coaches (and the Flixtrain coaches) but not on the Dosto or old IC coaches.

    2. The real BR101 (and most other German locomotives of that era or earlier) has a spring loaded train lights switch where you push it one way to increase the light level of the coaches and the other way to turn off the train lights. Center position is neutral (no signal sent). The BR101 Expert and Bpmmbdzf Expert cab car simulates this correctly but not the old BR101 (unsure how it works on the BR146 but I assume it is the same as the old BR101).

    3. On real IC coaches and Dosto coaches the train light switch from the locomotive or cab car cycles first to half-light and then full-light on subsequent presses. This is also simulated on Expert vehicles but not the old IC/Dosto coaches.

    4. These simulation characteristics are controlled inside the coaches not locomotives, so the compatibility fix I implemented will not change that when a BR101 Expert is pulling old IC coaches or Dosto coaches.

    Lastly, when this patch will be released I can't yet say, but it should be on your PC or console no later than the Kassel Würzburg Expert gameplay pack is released :)
     
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    What Happen to the Expert Timetable on Mannheim Kaiserslautern?
     
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    Same as what I mentioned above (no later than the Kassel-Würzburg BR101 Expert gameplay pack) :)
     
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  41. iriv#7314

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    cwf.green i had a run where sifa suddenly kept yelling 'SIFA', even after acknowledging it.
    over and over again, until i stopped and reset the sifa fuse.
    There was no Storung.

    It was quite a nice fault, but i don't know if this is intended?
     
  42. solicitr

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    Thank you for that, but does it fix the game-breaking bug specific to the scenario "Touchdown", where the instruction to turn on train power never clears? The scenario is one that came with the 101 Expert and presumably uses the new expert coaches.
     
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    Yes, that is a scenario bug (nothing related to the train logic) and was fixed way back so I'm confident that will be in the next patch.
     
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    It looks like a service on Frankfurt - Fulda, ICE 1193, is still broken, for the same reason: a freight train stopped too early and blocks the loop.
     
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    Timetables weren't fixed
     
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    Tried to start a few afternoon/evening cab car services in the Frankfurt-Fulda Expert 101 timetable and I'm getting a "Service Failure: Signal Passed at Danger" error as soon as the service is loaded (you can see it blurred above the welcome screen of the service before you accept it)

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    List of services - start time:
    IC (2027) Hamburg-Altona to Passau Hbf - 18:20
    IC (2229) Kiel Hbf to Regensbrug Hbf - 20:20
    IC (2029) Hamburg-Altona to Nürnberg Hbf - 22:19

    Also tried spanwing on foot to see what happened:
    Spawning on foot at 18:20 June 24th at Frankfurt Hbf -> Service Failure: Signal Passed at Danger
    Spawning on foot at 18:15 June 24th at Frankfurt Hbf -> Service Failure: Signal Passed at Danger
    Spawning on foot at 18:10 June 24th at Frankfurt Hbf -> It loads and I can move around, but I can see there are trains stopped in the middle of the tracks where they shouldn't be stopped.

    No mods, verified the installation with Steam.

    PS: This may or may not be related to the freight service KT (50131) GroBberen to Mannheim Hgbf - Part 2 bug that was fixed in the "standard" timetable but is still not fixed in the Expert 101 timetable and causes delays to many services.

    To make things even more interesting, I tried to load all the services listed many times (maybe 10-15 times each) and, for an unknown reason, service IC (2029) loaded and worked fine once, and I could play and finish it. Could not make it work again. Don't ask me how or why because I have no clue.
     
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    aren't immediate spad's in FF related to a 363 layer? i haven't tested yet
     
  48. fabienlimp95

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    Yep, that still works for me. Don't know if one or both 363 Services making trouble, spawned at Frankfurt Hbf at 9pm and its fine.
     
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    This timetable isn't fixed and it will not work in the Expert Timetable!
     
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    Tried disabling all the 363 layers and tested it with the service IC (2027). It worked, so it seems you are right.

    PS: The same services work fine in the standard timetable without the need to disable any layer, so probably they applied a fix for this that was not ported to the Expert 101 timetable.
     
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