Route Southern Pacific Railroad Route And Locomotive Suggestions

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  1. jedi247

    jedi247 Well-Known Member

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    Southern Pacific Railroad (SP) routes and locomotives should be added to TSW5. We have some SP stuff in TS Classic. Perhaps DTG could make TSW5 versions of some of the TSC SP DLCs. Here are some of my suggestions.

    -SP Routes:

    1.) SP Donner Pass: Roseville, CA-Reno, NV:

    -140 miles long (too long for now, but maybe in the future with new updates to TSW)
    -Rugged mountains
    -Unpredictable weather
    -Steep grades
    -Tunnels and snowsheds
    -J. R. Davis Yard in Roseville
    -Snow clearing equipment needed, including functional flanger and rotary snowplow
    -Would like to see this route with steam locos, but that won't happen

    2.) SP Mount Shasta Route: Dunsmuir, CA-Klamath Falls, OR:

    -108 miles long
    -More mountains
    -Faster speeds further north
    -Double-horseshoe curve
    -2.2% grades

    3.) Peninsula Corridor Remake; SP 1950s-70s; San Francisco-San Jose:
    -Remake of original TSW Peninsula Corridor Route, but with SP locos and rolling stock
    -Maybe the section to Gilroy could be included or added as a DLC
    -50 miles long

    4.) SP Palmdale Cutoff: West Colton Yard-Mojave:
    -Cajon Pass Part 2
    -Steep grades over Cajon Pass
    -SP West Colton Yard (largest freight yard on the west coast) and Colton Crossing (SP crosses over ATSF trackage)
    -Include SP and ATSF locos and rolling stock for interchange operations in Mojave
    -Include both ATSF and SP yards in Mojave
    -Include local industries (including Kaiser Steel)

    5.) SP Tehachapi Pass: Mojave-Bakersfield:

    -World-famous Tehachapi Loop at Walong
    -Both SP and ATSF locos needed for this route, as ATSF has trackage rights
    -Include both SP and ATSF Mojave and Bakersfield Yards

    -SP Locomotives:

    -SP diesels featured unique lighting, including emergency lights and MARS Lights on both ends. These lights should be included if we get SP diesel power.

    1.) SP Cab Forwards:
    SP had a lot of tunnels and snowsheds on Donner Pass. Tehachapi and the Cascades Line also had some tunnels. Steep grades on all three of these lines required helper services and larger locomotives. In the early 20th Century, SP locomotive crews on Donner Pass experienced asphyxiation because of all the tunnels and snowsheds. Their first solution: turn a steam loco backwards! This worked well, but the engineer was on the wrong side of the cab to see the signals! SP's engineering department had a solution: design a backwards-facing steam loco that would help provide better visibility, and it worked very well. The SP's Baldwin-built Cab Forwards were first built in the early 1900s. They were basically backwards-facing Mallet steam locos. All SP Cab Forwards burned oil because the firebox was up front, away from the tender. The SP had 2-6-6-2, 2-8-8-2, and 4-8-8-2 Cab Forwards in numerous classes. The AC-12 Class 4-8-8-2s were the largest and most powerful steam locos on the SP, and the last of the Cab Forwards. All were scrapped by the late 1950s, but AC-12 #4294 (the last unit built) is on display at the CA State RR Museum in Sacramento. We should get SP Cab Forwards in game, especially the bigger AC-Class 4-8-8-2s.

    2.) SP GS-Class 4-8-4s:
    SP's fast 4-8-4s were designated GS, which originally stood for "Golden State." These fine locomotives pulled the SP's Daylight and other passenger trains. In later years, they were relegated to freight services as diesels took over. Two of SP's GS-Class locomotives survive in preservation: GS-6 #4460 in St. Louis, MO, and the famed GS-4 #4449, which occasionally pulls passenger excursions. #4449 was restored to operation in the mid-1970s for the American Freedom Train. She currently resides in Portland, OR. If we get SP GS 4-8-4s, especially #4449, we should get the Daylight livery, the AFT livery, and the BNSF livery that #4449 wore in 2000 for a BNSF employee appreciation special train. Excursion and AFT passenger cars should be included too.

    3. SP SD9(E) "Cadillac":
    SP was the largest owner of EMD's big 6-axle SD9 model with 150 units. The SD9s were often nicknamed "Cadillacs" (like the car manufacturer) because of their smooth ride. SP mostly used their SD9s in freight services, but a few had steam generators for passenger services. In the 1970s and 80s, SP rebuilt most of their SD9s to SD9Es with upgraded systems. A few SP SD9Es have been preserved and are operational at museums. The SD9s need to be included in both "Black Widow" and "Bloody Nose" liveries.

    4.) SP FM H-24-66 Trainmaster:
    SP used 14 of Fairbanks-Morse's big FM H-24-66 Trainmasters on their Peninsula Commute runs because of their higher acceleration. The FMs ran from the 1950s until their retirement in the early 1970s. They wore both the Black Widow and Bloody Nose liveries. They were replaced in the 1970s by EMD SDP45s and GP40P-2s.

    5.) SP Alcos:
    -RS-32s
    -S4s
    -PA/PB-1s and PA/PB-2s
    -RSD-15 "Alligators"

    6.) SP Peninsula Commute:
    -SDP45
    -GP40P-2
    -SD9E

    7.) SP GEs:
    -U33C
    -U25B
    -B30-7
    -B36-7
    -B39-8
    -C44-9W
    -AC4400CW

    8.) SP EMDs:
    -E8 and E9 (A and B units)
    -SD38-2
    -SD39
    -GP20
    -GP30
    -GP35
    -NW2
    -F7A/FP7A/F7B
    -GP38-2
    -GP40-2
    -GP60
    -SD45(R)
    -SD7(R)
    -SW1500
    -MP15DCs/AC
    -SD70M

    9.) SP FMs and Baldwins:
    -H-10-44
    -H-12-44
    -Baldwin AS-616

    10.) Unique SP Locos:

    -ML-4000: Built by German manufacturer Krauss-Maffei in the 1960s; SP 9010 restored to operation at Niles Canyon RR
    -EMD SD45X: An experimental beast with a 20-Cylinder EMD 645 Prime Mover that produced a whopping 4200HP!; 7 units built; all units scrapped; operated out of Roseville, CA mostly
    -SD45T-2 and SD40T-2: These units were developed by EMD after SP needed new locos to solve overheating issues in tunnels and snowsheds. SP had previously experimented with metal panels attached to SD45 radiators to help pull cooler air from the floor of tunnels. This idea worked, but SP wanted a more permanent solution, so they contracted EMD to build the "Tunnel Motors": SD45T-2 and SD40T-2.
     
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  2. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    Shasta route in TSC was quite nice to drive.
     

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