Caltrain Content Tsw6

will caltrain content be available on tsw6? please answer to us DTG Alex

 

i to want this answer ive heard no

 

pedro#1852, I can understand your wanting information, but they are going to reveal nothing until the end of August.

 

Best to pop this query in the July Roadmap thread to see if they can share any info for now - but as Sharon E says it might be only once dovetail direct has happened that they can address

 

It will really suck if I have to keep tsw5 installed to play the three caltrain dlcs I own
I really hope not

 

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oh yeah, cool.
seems that my question was previously answered, yes, you need to keep tsw5 installed if you want to play your three caltrain dlcs

"tbc" is another way of saying that "all tsw5 content will be transferred to tsw6 except for caltrain ones"

 

Stay positive until it's finally clear. TBC can also mean that DTG is waiting for a response from Caltrain.

 

let's hope so

 

Even if Caltrain says no, the few gigabytes for TSW 5 base game plus the 3 Caltrain DLC shouldn't hurt anyone.
To this day, I still have TSW 2020 installed because of the NEC route, even though I've never played it again.

 

yeah, I have it installed too, just bc of the three tsw2020 dlcs nec: new york, gp40-2 and sw1000r

 

Promising that they are still looking into it.

 

Thanks for the information Jamie. It is a shame that the new iteration every year is necessary, as (as far as I can tell) if we just stuck with TSW5, the Caltrain DLC would be available as normal to existing owners.

 

Appreciate the confirmation Jamie but that doesn’t make the situation any less ridiculous. How on earth can changing the game version number and bringing in existing content with no changes other than to make it version compatible not be covered by grandfather rights of the original licence? Like I said, not very well negotiated in the first place. Particularly on the consoles, not many people are going to keep an outdated and unsupported version of the game hanging around just to occasionally play one route.

 

it should be confirmed asap as its part of our collection so should countie beening avaliable

 

Thankfully as far as layers go it’s caltrain is pretty much a standalone DLC so it’s not going to be painful to keep TSW5 core and Caltrain DLCs installed so for me whilst it would be a nice to have on TSW6 it’s not a game changer.

That said, if it was another route with lots of layers onto other routes it would be entirely different story so hopefully DTG with the agreement of Caltrain can come to a mutual agreement which can be used as a template if the situation happens to a more integrated DLC in the future.

 

Of course there is another intriguing possibility... This is all actually a bit of misdirection and there is a new Caltrain licence in place to rehash and extend the current route including electrification and it will be the core US route for TSW6.

And another one to throw in the hat is the point that State owned rail operations can be replicated without a licence. There have been various discussions at Trainsim.com about this and the commonly expressed view (informed or not I can't say) is that, "Regardless, logos and any creative work created using taxpayer funds should be considered public domain." Or, "In the US, even Florida, government agencies can't trademark their branding. It's public property. So... there's no such thing as exclusivity with Tri-Rail. Or Metra, Metrolink, Sounder, etc..."

Make of that what you will but it does rather imply DTG could blow a rather large raspberry Caltrain's way, certainly so far as allowing existing owners to bring their content forward into TSW6 and there's precious little Caltrain could do about it.

 

Well, this means i have to save TSW5 on external memory to keep this contents

 

Great there goes like £40 of content, first I didn’t get the end of Caltrain sale and now this….what a pain

 

If only Run 8 could sort out decent passenger operations, DTG could shove their American commuter routes where the California sun doesn't shine... is my hot take on this situation.

At the risk of echoing myself, it's one thing to withdraw content from sale to new customers quite another for DTG to put up a self made wall (choosing to go from 5 to 6) which means unless you keep the old unsupported version hanging around you lose access to bought and paid for (or licenced) content.

 

And this can happen to any licensed content, be it Deutsche Bahn or any private UK operator?

 

I guess it depends on the exact wording of the licence. Let's just hope DTG were less eager with some of the bigger licensors in the game than they were with Caltrain having failed to read the small print or establish public domain rights.

 

This is probably contingent on the exact contents and wording of the license agreement. If upgrading the DLC to TSW6 essentially means (as defined in the contract) that it counts as a new release, then it may not be possible to upgrade it.

The agreement that DTG have with Caltrain may indeed not be the best licensing agreement they have

 

I'm also wondering if licences expire in the future, what other content will be removed from future versions of tsw?

 

Indeed, as I just said above. However that still leaves the question of what DTG could do with public domain rights to keep the content rolling forward.

 

thanks for clarifying this once and for all, jamie. however, it's absurd that I have the 3 caltrain dlcs and have to keep another version of tsw installed to be able to use them with the latest fixes
I even understand that the dlcs that remained in tsw2020 remained there, due to the technical limitations of the time in porting them however, I can't understand exactly what the problem is in making the content available in the latest version of tsw for those who have already paid for it, but thanks anyway

 

Still think the biggest loss from Peninsula Corridor is Union Pacific's GP38-2. It wasn't the best loco, but it means that if DTG doesn't bring it back in any shape or form in the future, then any route that could feature local UP freight either as playable layers or scenery will not have it at all.

Especially since DTG still has a UP license.

 

What's the point of building up a collection of trains and routes when at any time there's chances content won't carry over to next years game? First NEC New York - New Rochelle and now Peninsula Corridor...

Wouldn't have been necessary if DTG stopped releasing a new game every year and instead would've kept updating TSW2020.

I'm pretty pissed off ATM. DTG doesn't seem to understand the value of building up a collection. Anything we buy now or have bought in the past could be left out of next years game...

Keeping an older version of the game installed is silly advice. It doesn't allow me to fully benefit from my collection. With Free Roam and Off The Rails modes I want to be able to drive any train on any route I own. Can't do that over different versions of the game, can I?

 

I thought DTG had a great relationship with Caltrain? I remember them saying how eager Caltrain was to help them with Peninsular Corridor etc. What’s gone sour to change that?

 

Probably wanting to move on from the diesel fleet

 

that would be awesome, totally agree with this

 

Of course if DTG didn't feel the need to pointlessly re- iterate the game this fall, the Penn Corr. Issue wouldn't exist and those of us who own the current route and locos could happily play them forever.

However I agree that the content as it now stands should be grandfathered.

Not too keen on an unbranded version though.

 

Thank you. Most will be unhappy about unbranded content, but personally, I don't wanna see the DLC left behind, so the fact that it's there and I can access it along with the most recent DLC available is what matters (most) to me.

 

Not ideal, but better than nothing I guess.

 

Unbranded (or fictional brand) better than nothing, but still think your legal advisors should be looking at the small print of the original agreement plus any grandfather rights and of course the brand is in the public domain.

 

I totally agree with you but it's better than nothing, at least we will have the locos and the route that we paid for

 

thanks jamie great news

 

Thanks Jamie for the update - it’s better than it not being in at all, but hopefully the team are still trying to get permission to include it in its original branded glory

 

I know this is no consolation to the console population...but for PC players this would be a win as there is a 100% guarantee there will be a re-branding mod at release.

None of us know what the feature set for TSW6 will be yet.....whether it be new iterations of free roam or the scenario editor, but it would be a shame if the Caltrain content didnt make it over to make use of that.

 

This was one of my first thoughts.. I’m so grateful to be a PC player. Branding mods and loads of custom timetables.

 

With Fawx's custom timetable and the branding mod for WCMLS, it became one of my favorite routes in the franchise. It literally is night and day between this version and DTGs version (even after their TT update). The mod community for TSW are amazing

 

Glad to hear that at the very least there is at least going to be an attempt for there to be a workaround for it to potentially stay in TSW6. Unbranded or not, the amount of time and resources that were poured into making that route (from the rollingstock to the sounds) would be a complete waste for those that made it, only to have it taken away and have no-one play it (at least for those that want to stick with TSW6 and NOT have to sacrifice hard-drive space and download TSW5 to play Penninsula Corridor)

 

Thanks, I'd be happy without the licenses, but it will have its sounds. I don't think the sounds will be a problem. I hope it is without licenses on some routes and they do not get lost

 

I don’t wanna unbranded trains
We paid for the license Version

 

Peninsular Corridor is one of my favourite routes and was hoping it would get enhanced at some point. It’s a shame things with Caltrain have turned.

 

So what you do in that case is invite DTG over to study your new fleet, and have them remaster the route with an updated timetable, then make a big deal about having the old diesel timetable available as a DLC that promotes front and centre on the store page how players can get to drive your old diesel locos at home, entirely using electric power the way your new rolling stock does! It's a win on every front, and promotes your electrification and green credentials.

 

You guys seem to assume that the licensing issue is of great importance to the TOCs. It likely is important from the point of branding, but these corporations are probably not going to spend huge amounts of time negotiating with what is to them a minor player - this will be offloaded to a paralegal with a mountain of other issues to handle and use contract software which automates contract generation largely with boilerplate. It also takes an inordinate amount of time. Debranded routes are not unknown - take the Welsh routes in Tsc.
The whining about new versions of TSW I would think should be moderated by what are the changes to the core or new or extended attributes, about which at the moment we have no information . Do you think DTG could continue to improve the simulation without regular injections of revenue? Do you think games such as GTA produce major improvements for free?

 

So what super new changes are coming to the core?

Better graphics? I don’t think so. It’s stuck where it is and it having trouble with memory issues.

multiplayer? I doubt it, would take far too much effort away from dlc.

better weather options? Maybe but not really justifying a new version?

I can’t think of anything else at all.