Dovetail Games Announcing Train Sim World 6 And Dovetail Direct: Summer 2025

Might be worth mentioning (and I didn't learn this until recently from this forum) that Steam lets you choose individually which DLCs to download. So no need to grab everything day one, or even ever--just check whichever you intend to play first, and later you can download any others as you want them. They're always in your library. If anything, the upgrade can be a good opportunity to clear a lot of storage space.

Do Playstation and Xbox also let users pick and choose TSW DLCs to download?

 

Same for epic, an initial install is always everything. And everything is 400GB in my case

 

Well yeah…but you know, layers.

 

This is before layers i'm afraid

 

Yes but you are saying no need to grab everything day one. But there’s so many layers dependent on a lot of dlc. If I want to play koln Aachen to its fullest, I need most German content. If I want to enjoy shap, I have to have the other dlc to flesh it out, etc etc

 

TBH to me if I have to wait a couple days for it all to install so what, small potatos of an issue.

The big issue is the fact that we have been warned that the blurry textures will still be an issue on release.

 

PS5 works the same. So on day one, I always pick the stuff (including layers) I want to play first. During play, let the rest install in the background.

 

Question about the 390 AI layers for BCC coming with the WMR and XC class 170: Will any of them actually stop At Lichfield Trent Valley

 

Layers is a point. So you may be downloading more than you're actually playing, but still less than everything, which was my point.

A while back, someone was keeping a spreadsheet or something of TSW's layers. Is that still around and current?

 

These three hidden routes will be discovered in August?

 

Correct, along with the three locomotives included with it

 

Im keeping my fingers crossed for another Welsh route.

 

Xbox does; I don't know about PS.

 

Sorry if this has been covered but why can the free starter pack not just receive an update with the new features etc instead of a separate starter pack? Is there a technical reason from a dev/xbox standpoint or just a DTG decision?

 

There's no more a technical reason for TSW5 to 6 than there was for TSW4 to 5, TSW3 to 4, etc. It's the same fundamental game with the same file structure ('TS2-Prototype'). Any developments between versions could have been made to the previous game's core.

The reason, pure and simple, is marketing. New version = more exposure on the various game stores.

 

IRL the 350’s call hourly in each direction at LTV low level, and the 390’s usually pass through on the fasts, the centre tracks. Nothing playable of course, but nice to see them implemented to make it feel more alive!

 

WMR 170 - I gotta ask... why? Why not a 730 which could layer onto the existing BCC timetable and be added to the WCML:S route... this seems like a massive missed opportunity.

Most of these new train releases are simply just reskins I'm sorry but it's just ehh

 

OH THATS Why there has been news on more dlc and they just stick with what they have. This was not a surprise because they always do this every year. When DTG Alex Mention "This is the one that you all have been waiting for" I really do hope that this will be the base game that we fan have been wanting for a long time. I know TSW 6 will definitely feature the key game mode which is Multiplayer, Dispatcher mode and other game mode that people have been waiting for some time. I am excited to see what this new game will feature. I really do hope that the US Route that they have announced yet would be the long waited passenger train which i have a feeling it would definitely be another METRO NORTH FULL Route such as Either the HUDSON Line or The HARTFORD CONNECTICUT LINE Featuring the M8 TrainSet. Other than that i am so looking forward to what they would bring to this next installment. I just hope that they would not be a TSW 7 Next year.Hopefully they would just add on to the TSW6 or call it another name.

 

So would you rather not have the train at all? They exist in real life. They got a bunch of criticism every time they make a new loco and route so they are probably scaling back to what they are comfortable with. Also they probably couldn't access one either

 

The reskin is the point. If it was a 730 you’d have no new gameplay on BCC & if that was a dual pack (which it likely wouldn’t be), it’d be the same for WCML.

The 170 pack not only allows more gameplay on BCC but a different way to experience the route. It also has far more layering potential for UK routes as WMR electrics don’t venture far outside of Birmingham, but their 170’s do. The XC 170 alone has tons of potential for layering.

Personally I think the 170 pack is far better than a 730 pack which would be entirely limited to the exact same experience BCC already offers & I suspect that a lot of people would rather have XC than a substitute train for BCC.

 

its a business. it has to make money. your internet problems arent their concerns. i feel like you are trying to find problems that dont exist. its not that big of a deal. you can wait a while to play a video game.

 

Give me a reason on why this game needs another version instead of just a update like tsw 2 and don’t even think about saying marketing

 

Marketing

 

You can’t disregard the main reason just because you don’t like it. Ultimately that marketing is likely what allows you to access a bundle of content significantly below the normal prices. Even the most expensive bundles of TSW releases are about 50% below what the content would cost as individual releases.

I dislike having to redownload all my content, I think the ‘new’ games are rushed & more often than not the 3 routes are usually the most bugged releases we get. As a PS5 user I’ve also been one of many subjected to a range of issues with moving content over. There definitely needs to be a rethink on both the timeline & engineering of the ‘new’ TSW games.

At the end of the day though, you’re naive to disregard the fact that the release marketing isn’t getting you £90 of routes for £40.

 

Ha ha honestly you lot would take anything they give you. No standards at all.

 

And what would you like?
Indonesia, Turkmenistan, Burundi?
Go get a relaxing massage, go ahead.

 

It’s all about marketing.

 

Im on PS5. I hope tsw3 and 4 can eventually be removed from manage game content. So annoying having multiple routes etc.

 

It's very sad that you can't seem to understand that people don't have to agree 100% with you on everything. You have your strong opinions and that's perfectly fine. But you don't get to decide how other people see things. And there is no need to attack people on a personal basis because of that.

You threw a lot of tantrums when S-Bahn Frankfurt released, cluttered all threads with your posts while actually not being able to understand that other people have different opinions. And honestly it's starting to just become annoying. There are other people who also have similar strong opinions, yet it's possible to discuss with them (like OldVern) which is a great thing.

 

Yes because it was broken, restricted and unoptimised.

Because the game has lots and lots of issues yet they still sell it. I couldn’t give a damn what you think. You are happy taking sub par standards because you can’t do without trains.

 

And you do it again - attacking on a personal level, assuming something about somebody else. That's just trolling at this point.

 

I would like one of those to be an American route, but from what I've seen about licensing issues, I don't think so. However, we would have to wait until August. And they surprise us with a new American route plus a new locomotive

 

I mean fair enough, I am thinking as a PC player here so that is my bias, where we already have a BCC timetable with 170's and XC trains. also the 170's barely do anything on the BCC so what would be the point? you rarely even see them on BCC line, they stop at BHM, University then go straight to portal, or portal straight to BHM New Street. I Kinda don't see the point even from a console point of view

where will the 170 EMR be used apart from the midland mainline which would also need the 158 updating to EMR rather than EMT. The XC 170 I understand but not so much the 170 EMR unless an upgrade is planned for midland mainline timetable or remaster etc.

whereas 730 and a timetable update, would upgrade the BCC route to modern day, timetable, modern day train, and be used on the WCML:S. As far as I'm aware they have the West Midlands Railway license so why not?

There could also be a route expansion down the way with LTV to BHM via Walsall which could even use route hopping on the BCC route - using existing pendo AWC, class 66, and the new 730 as well as 350 from EUS - LTV to BHM... there is more opportunity for growth than a simple reskin imo but please do tell me if I'm wrong anywhere - thats not me being sarcastic or rude I genuinely interested in your opinion.

I see your point, kind of, but I also disagree. But I'm keen to hear your opinion for sure, genuinely think we could have a friendly convo about it

 

Finally a good suggestion - ignore list ….

 

Both the XC & WMR Turbos have served Bromsgrove, the WMR ones certainly will & we’ll have to wait & see what’s been done with the XC services because it will depend what year the XC TT is based on. The XC 170 has the most layer potential of course, the WMR version less so, but still far more than a 730. Anything a 730 would offer is exactly the same as the 323 or 350 already gives you.

Ultimately we’re going to (or at least should) see the 170’s on far more existing & future routes. They plug a gap literally nothing else can, whereas the 323 & 350 can do everything the 730 can.

At the end of the day it’s not like this pack is this or that, the 170 pack & a 730 pack would do 2 completely different things, in comparison to each other.

 

It's a fantastic deal when a new game releases. 3 routes for the price of 1.3 and 3 routes and 3 trains for like the price of two routes. Its fantastic. Also having a new game can properly pinpoint a milestone of when something was added which I think is cool.

 

I never said it wasn’t a amazing deal but if this is anything like tsw 4 to tsw 5 then it just seems a bit pointless since they don’t exactly add much to warrant a new version + there’s nothing stopping them from doing rush hour again and Focus on making the next version better in more than just the minor ways

 

I can see your point but also it doesn't really make a difference to be honest. Also, a new game usually gets a lot of attention as opposed to an update.

 

New Train Sim World, same ol' bugs

 

But this is implying we're going to get an XC TT/Route You are an optimist, I like that about you!

 

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Let's speculate!

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(Editor's note: Sky News Simulator will be retitled into Fox News Simulator for some markets)

 

TSW Its A Bugs Life

 

Do we still have August roadmap?

 

Last year they did that after the Direct event. It's kind of a roadmap on steroids.

 

On the point about the Class 730, I think this comes down to access to the loco for reference material. Not sure the relationship with WMR/LNWR has improved much since last summer. You could make the same point about the Hereford services not being Class 196 as they are today. Adding the Class 170 for both WMR and XC is a period accurate way to add the missing stopping services on the route with a loco that's already in the game. It's surprising it's taken this long but I suppose the 170 is Rivet's who were working other things. Plus the 350 and 390 only came out last year to really help make New Street busier.

I do take the point if you are a PC player it's a hard sell when there is a free mod with a timetable and locos with the right liveries at least that is likely just as good as what Rivet will do. As a PS5 player I'm pretty chuffed though.

 

By the looks of it they had the west midlands railway licence not the London Northwestern Railway license. (Confusion as DTG Probably thought it had both As the company is the same company but under two brands) As the 170 WMR is branded

 

Matt confirmed in another thread that they always have had wmr licence and that the two licences (wmr and lmwr) are separate

 

I might be older and get a bit more confused by all the ongoing technobabble that seems to accomplish the reasoning of needing another “Core Game”. When we moved into TSW 4 it was hailed as the next logical step to low an expansion of this unique online world. However I honestly don’t see any reasons now to bring out a new TSW every year. At most I would say a two year gap would be perfect. However as we know, or at least those who have been lurking a while understand DTG have this extremely frustration way of working. Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m sure we are still hanging of for repair work to TSX 2020 / 2 /3 / and now 5. Tbh I’ve started taking a back seat to the game and have not been as active. To my old dusty mind DTG seem to have lost their way, have stopped listening to its customers and seem to lurch from one poorly executed release to another. Apart from that I do enjoy the game and honestly think the only way forward and to safeguard its virtue is to go do the route of TSC. Regional loco packs, themed foreign packs, scenarios could all be created and bundle and dare I say with their experience they would knock its out of the park. I remember when TSW first launched and the excitement of being able to play the best sim on any platform was unbelievable. Then the daydreams faded and turned into nightmares. Problem after problem after problem created a messy platform with the joys that a public forum brings. Communication turned into ignoring the customer base. DTG telling players what they wanted and the long and short was DTG have no interest in creating “historical” locos and that will be taken on by a third party across the board. So we are embarking on the 6th iteration of the beleaguered title and certain areas still haven’t had a good look in. Historical routes and locos shouldn’t be ignored. Even though it’s easier to use all the same models. Go back to the BR blue days and Intercity days. Routes like Paignton to Exeter St David’s, Exeter St David’s to Bristol TM Cardiff to Birmingham, Swansea to Newport / Cardiff (enroute Paddington), Bristol TM to Portsmouth Harbour or Swindon to Worcester Birmingham to Manchester / Liverpool. The options are there for all to see but like everything, not just this game, the political Geocentre of London namely Westminster has to be constantly prodded an poke while no one else gets a look in. Every now and again we get thrown a bone to keep us quiet but they are becoming fewer and fewer. Please DTG we as players, hobbies (or hobbits as auto correct wanted to state), want to support you. Without our money rattling in your tills there won’t be further releases. Attitudes that I’ve picked up on over the last year need to change and you need to realise that without us this ceases to exist so please start putting out content that us players want not just what you want because otherwise we are going to have many lines with very few locos.

 

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