Upcoming Release Wmr / Xc Class 170 - Coming Soon!

Will the 170 and 323 receive suspension updates?

 

One question I have is will this layer onto Cardiff City Network, MML or ECML for the XC services?

 

will gen 8 have any restrictions

 

Day one purchase

 

HOW MUCH?
I absolutely cannot justify spending £13 on something I already own, just with a paint job and new timetable

 

Would not have thought so.

 

I don't care about the price tag to much as some amount of work to modify and recreate the 170 in the subclass justifies it to me...

However, the deal breaker is the following. Are we getting a 1:1 scale 2019 timetable ontop of the existing BCC line to feature the relevant stock. And will the Class 170 be receiving comprehensive updates from the feedback concerning running sound and other issues?

I get slightly suspicious when the timetable information is not clear on what we'll be getting, as in, is it a 1:1 replica timetable or just 'slightly' more busy timetable to bulk out the route? (Concerning 390/350/150 and undrivaeble AI services around BNS). I see the BCC timetable with the 323 is copy and pasted which is a good base.

I don't want to be overly harsh as the fella who developed this does seem to have been independent of Rivet creating timetables prior to be hired by them. So to have some clarity around this would be good... If my concerns are addressed I'd consider buying it.

 

Sounds great l - especially as the timetable has been devised by ‘one of us’ and then inherited by Rivet.. it will be a +1 for them if this lives up to the billing!

 

A shame the auto-announce isn't available - this was one of my favourite parts of FCL/the 170, so hope it can appear at some point.

Echo the comments by others - really good to see another passion project

Is anyone able to confirm - there is a service early in the morning that runs to Longbridge platform 2, then goes into the reversing siding, and into platform 1. The siding shunt is both ways AI currently. Is this/can this be made playable please?

I would be interested in hearing more about the platform visualization tool - sounds cool, but idk what it means

Is this a new feature? If not, can't believe I've missed it!

Pricing seems reasonable - SCR 158 was kind of 1 new variant + a timetable for same cost (timetable at some point after TSW6 ofc), but this is 2x variants + a timetable.

Would be good to hear from Tyler in this/another stream about the project

 

Don't buy it then. Its definitley worth it. Other people will buy it. Me included

 

I’m feeling quite positive about the Add-On given that it has been developed by an individual within Rivet who appears to know what they’re doing in real to timetables.

I’m wondering whether the sounds of the 170 have been improved in any way, but I have strong doubts they will have been.

 

Sounds good and this route desperately needed additional traffic.

I'd also like clarification that the 323 and 170 have gotten the suspension updates- should go without saying, but you know how it goes around here lol.

Also pretty disappointing about no announcements- seems like it's fallen into DTG's black hole of never happening. Subway Sim 2 does them VERY well, and that's a much lower budget title- come on ya'll!

 

Gotta say I don't have a problem with the price - was kind of expecting higher. For a couple of reskins, new interiors, and new gameplay this feels fine to me.

 

The total number of services for XC including AI (over 180) indicates that the 170 is substituting for 220/221 Voyager services to make New Street as busy as possible. I wonder if the Voyager comes to TSW6 as some have speculated if a substitution could be made?

 

Well I guess I will be adding these to my insane collection. Needless to say these attachments will add up to my plentiful playable services. Birmingham route needed more services just like the rest of um. Crashes doesn’t exist in the route that they place the new 170 in.

 

Short way... it's a TSW5 DLC so YES is the answer....

 

Will the fife circle line 170 get the suspension physics update

 

Fingers crossed it could. I know on the ECML they split the operators services in the timetable/layers, and then just put Azumas on GC/LD/HT etc. - and I *think* this was to make it easier if anything from them did come in the future.

 

Well.. a ‘guy on the forums’ spearheading a dlc via a ‘visably dormant’ developer for TSW bagging the highly sought after XC License makes this all the more interesting!

 

Looks good. I hope the new 170s can be layered into new/existing routes in the future.

 

They did the same with Cardiff. It has split out layers for all the different TfW traction even though presently they're subbed with 150s.

 

I rarely buy Loco DLCs, especially if they are remodels of existing trains but I am interested in this one, given that I don’t have Fife Circle, if only to add to the currently lifeless Birmingham New Street.

However, given that this is a Rivet project, I’ll hang fire until I’ve at least seen the preview.

 

Yeah, not going to bother.

You haven't fixed the running sounds for the 170 on Fife circle since you broke them in a patch so why should I trust you with this? Dovetail and rivet, can't you understand why peop!e like me are a bit fed up with this?

I bought the Fife circle which had working running sounds. You released a patch a few months later which removed them and for me, made it unplayable because the train sounds nothing like a train should. In fact, it just sounds like a diesel engine floating through the sky. We're not talking about a minor glitch here but a train actually sounding like a train.

You've ignored all feedback about it in the Fife circle feedback thread.

You ignored the recent thread about it a few days ago in general discussion and instead just moved it to issues and troubleshooting without commenting (so someone at dovetail must have read it, moved it and ignored it).

As someone who does enjoy TSW, I hate to say it's starting to feel like you have contempt for your customers.

 

Sounds like exactly what BCC needed and sounds very positive that Rivet have got a timetable guy in. Unless the preview stream looks concerning this will be a day 1 for me.

 

Really need to add the XC one into the MML timetable.

 

Anyone pinged Adam to query this?

 

It benefits everyone to put it there to be fair
Rivet benefits as it gives this pack more value,
Skyhook benefit as more to do on the route makes it better
We benefit from a route with more trains and services.

 

This argument is so frustrating. ‘If you think it’s too expensive don’t buy it’- I would buy it, if it wasn’t so expensive. Others would buy it.

 

Emailed Rivet as soon as it was first mentioned, to ask. Not heard back.

 

That would be Skyhook rather than Rivet, but it's rare that trains get back-layered without a remaster or a new piece rolling stock.

 

Agree with simontreanor81 - more a SHG q probably

 

I emailed them to ask if they would be speaking to Skyhook too see if it could be added.

 

Wait so it's just this modified a bit and released for console as well as pc?
n̶o̶ o̶f̶f̶e̶n̶s̶e̶ t̶o̶ T̶r̶a̶g̶/T̶y̶l̶e̶r̶ I̶ a̶p̶p̶r̶e̶c̶i̶a̶t̶e̶ t̶h̶e̶ m̶o̶d̶ (̶e̶s̶p̶e̶c̶i̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ f̶o̶r̶ f̶r̶e̶e̶)̶ b̶u̶t̶ i̶t̶'s̶ a̶ b̶i̶t̶ c̶h̶e̶e̶k̶y̶ i̶m̶o̶ t̶o̶ t̶a̶k̶e̶ s̶o̶m̶e̶t̶h̶i̶n̶g̶ t̶h̶a̶t̶ w̶a̶s̶ f̶r̶e̶e̶ f̶o̶r̶ P̶C̶ p̶l̶a̶y̶e̶r̶s̶ e̶s̶s̶e̶n̶t̶i̶a̶l̶l̶y̶, c̶h̶a̶n̶g̶e̶ a̶ f̶e̶w̶ b̶i̶t̶s̶ a̶n̶d̶ p̶i̶e̶c̶e̶s̶ a̶n̶d̶ t̶h̶e̶n̶ s̶t̶i̶c̶k̶ a̶ £1̶4̶ p̶r̶i̶c̶e̶ t̶a̶g̶ o̶n̶ t̶h̶e̶r̶e̶. A̶t̶ l̶e̶a̶s̶t̶ w̶i̶t̶h̶ s̶o̶m̶e̶o̶n̶e̶ c̶o̶m̶p̶e̶t̶e̶n̶t̶ a̶t̶ R̶i̶v̶e̶t̶ n̶o̶w̶ m̶a̶y̶b̶e̶ t̶h̶e̶y̶'l̶l̶ b̶e̶ a̶b̶l̶e̶ t̶o̶ f̶i̶x̶ t̶h̶e̶ A̶I̶ h̶e̶a̶d̶l̶i̶g̶h̶t̶ i̶s̶s̶u̶e̶ w̶i̶t̶h̶ t̶h̶e̶ 1̶7̶0̶'s̶.

EDIT: So fact that this isn't by the same dev of the custom timetable - absolutely baffling to me. Like that's eery at best and concerning at worse.

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Right, now my moaning's done, time for more moaning:

It would be very nice to see 730's now! We have 350s, we have 390's the only other trains needed to make a 2025 BCC timetable would be the voyager and the 730 and as you have the XC and WMR licenses why not go for it?

You clearly still have the WMR license or there'd be no 170 in WMR livery.

Camphill Line would be a nice addition to a 2025 BCC timetable as well Aston to Lichfield Trent Valley to expand the Birmingham/West Midlands area a bit.

You have the licenses, I'm not saying it's easy but it's sitting right there in front of you and all you need is
2 new trains which you have the licenses for Voyager XC and Aventra 730 WMR
1 new route BHM to Rugely Trent Valley Via Aston and Walsall - The Chase Line - Could integrate with BCC or be a completely new route on its own with the dreaded route hopping
1 small route expansion in the camp hill line - you have the space on the BCC map to do this.

The major ask being a 2025 BCC timetable with 730's. Some of us do like modern stuff!

I'm sure many people will get their knickers in a twist about this post

 

Nothing stopping you both!

 

In the modded timetable the Voyager is subbed with the HST

 

No plans .

 

Just want to clarify something. I am Trag on TSC (creator of Birmingham Cross City 2021 and Toronto Commuter 2024) and I am NOT employed by Rivet Games or any other game studio. My mod has no connecton to this Loco DLC.


On another note, I hope the route will see some fixes with this release (glowing benches)

 

Huh, thank you for availing me of that knowledge. To be honest that's... well that's pretty damn wild then, the similarities are a bit... concerning, no? Between this and your tt mod? Call me suspicious if you want but come on, it's an eerily similar project from the devs

 

Trust me I was just as surprised when the roadmap came out. I suspect if you take a look at East Coastway on TSC. You might get a glimpse of the talent behind the new TT.

I will also point out my TT is based in 2021 (after Avanti took over and before the WMR 170s/323s were removed) and the article mentions using the original 2019 TT as it's base.

 

I'm kind of hoping they took the feedback on board despite saying nothing.

I suppose we'll just have to wait and see whether they did actually listen, although the answer is likely no.

 

Without the absent track running sounds being resolved, this is a dud and “no sale” from me. Not supporting shoddy Rivet any more than I absolutely have to.

 

The track is already laid for Camp Hill. I drove it recently all the way into New Street.

 

It’s highly selfish for a PC player to think that just because someone has done a mod for PC the same thing can’t be done as a proper DLC for the other players, the majority of players as it goes, those on consoles, and not forgetting PC players who don’t like to use mods or want the content officially supported. That goes for if it is the same person making it or as in this case a different person/company developing it. In fact if both a modder and a different dev are making something similar and both make it accurate they should come out broadly the same by the nature of both likely using real timetables, if the mod and the real deal are set at the same time that is. It’s a bit different here and probably more of a coincidence but a mod existing should have no bearing on whether a proper DLC is made. Ever.

 

I'm personally really happy with this new pack, i love express/semi-express services and i love the southern half of the BCC route.. plus having XC in game is a really welcome addition.

the only thing letting BCC down was the timetable, so this addresses that perfectly and for me this is a real quality improvement for £12.99.. if anything i wish more of the older DLC's got this kind of treatment, i'd happily pay for a significantly improved timetable offering just like this going forward

 

What no pic of King's Norton...?
All t'others are there.

 

One of my biggest issues with both Fife Circle and Euston - Milton Keynes was the half-hearted implementation of timetables, with many services missing. It is encouraging that they have taken on board someone who seemingly understands how to build full timetables using actual working patterns.

Hopefully this means future routes, whether third party or disguised as DTG, will have accurate timetables.

 

Totally agree here. I am happy there is a official timetable coming for everyone. There are only so many routes in the game and even less that are screaming for a new timetable. So it shouldn't be that surprising.

Even though our TTs are just 2 years apart. I know there will be differences due to something fairly big happening in that time period. Without looking at the May 2019 WTT, I know BC19 the Cross City services were 6 tph in both directions through New Street. Whereas it was reduced to 4 tph by 2021 (upto present day). And as mentioned in the article, 170 services to Walsall.

I personally look at it like the updated WCMLS timetable and WCMLS '19. Same route, similar services but in slightly different eras. Just in this case the mod came first. Both should be enjoyed for what they are and more gameplay is better than less.

Now if people want to give me £12.99 I won't say no

 

I'm looking at the preview stream and what really grinds my gears is the lack of the new track shadows. Some guy kept pointing this out, and eventually Harry said this, in a rather annoyed tone: "It wasn't going to be every route that had that update, it was, uh, select routes, and BCC hasn't received that update yet."

"Yet." How interesting. Are we still on track to add these to a multiplicity of older routes, as initially promised last August?

 

Based on how Tyler explained the service number and how the layers were shown it looks like I was mistaken and only the appropriate XC 170 services have been added.

So any Voyagers would have to be a new layer but as the timings are accurate to the 2019 timetable it's not impossible as the gaps are there in the pathing.