Upcoming Release Wmr / Xc Class 170 - Coming Soon!

What your reply just doesn't make sense. What was your point.

 

Timetable and Class 170 both look good. Good job Tyler and the rest of the Rivet Team.

Only disappoint is the route not receiving any fixes (glowing benches) or upgrades (new track shadows) but that is a DTG thing and not Rivet. It would have been an excellent opportunity.

 

I haven't played BCC in such a long time.

Thoughts after the stream...
PLUS: the timetable looks nice, so happy to see a busier Birmingham New Street - no longer a Ghost Town.
NEGATIVES: No plans at present for the CC 170 to be added to MML. Opportunity missed.
I haven't played BCC in a long time but the colours look so washed out and route needs some TLC.

Not going to get it immediately as work kicks back in next week and my TSW-time will plummet, but will certainly get it down the line at some point.

 

I thought rather then repeat myself, I'd quote my own post from the another thread as I feel it's relevant.

 

I do find it funny that the horn has a sticker saying "HORN" above it

 

I do think it's disappointing that DTG haven't updated the track shadows. I appreciate that it involves a non-zero amount of work, but surely it's to the benefit of TSW as a whole for new content to be accompanied by a little bit of effort to polish up the route.

Very impressed by Tyler on the stream, really appreciated his explanation of gluing together the assorted services from the working timetable, and great news that the Fife Circle 170 will also being getting updated.

 

Has BCC got the TOD4 lighting?

 

matjamcar it has but track shadows is a different part and introduced in TSW5. TOD4 is already in the game since TSW3

 

The track shadows are a huge improvement and should be a standard update for paid DLC release.

If not now, when? DTG?

 

Track shadows wouldn't come as part of a new timetable.

 

My point is that it’s a bit nonsensical to say ‘get over it, I don’t think it’s too expensive’, when I do and I made that clear originally. If you want to buy it, go ahead and I hope it’s worth the money, but for me it’s too expensive. That’s not a reason to say ‘that doesn’t matter because I’m buying it’

 

I think you misunderstand the point I'm making which is the following
- The mod is made for PC users for free by the community
- Rivet makes an incredibly similar "DLC"
- Rivet charges £12.99 for this DLC for console players instead of releasing it as a free update.

Is the "DLC" inspired by the mod? Is the big question.

What I'm saying is the timing is suspicious. The mod comes out for PC then about a (Edit: year) later rivet do almost exactly the same thing for others (console users) to charge a fee for it.

If anything I'm actually saying that this should be released for free for console players, and that it's incredibly suspicious that this DLC is so similar to the mod which was released for free to PC players made by the community.

like at least give some credit for inspiration? idk lol. of course its possible its occam's razor and rivet were just working on the same thing as trag but come on, it is incredibly similar...

 

I still find it incredibly similar. It's almost like "just copy my homework and change it up a bit", in this case they've changed the year lol. So are we getting virgin/unmarked pendos at BHM New St. With this DLC? As we see in the OTS 2019 WCML modded TT some of the pendos are Virgin and some are unmarked. Will we be getting pendos at all?

All I think is that they should have just offered to buy or license your mod and release it for console users I really don't get why they've gone this route... heh.

 

Good for 2TTyler then I congratulate them on getting the job honestly. See if you can get in with JustTrains trag, you never know right?

 

That was a good stream, very interesting!
And you Harry? You're bonkers! Love it

 

Im not sure I follow what your issue is here, or even the logic of it.

The mod itself is literally content based on reality, so straight away there’s no issue with whose idea it is, any question of copying would be down to the implementation & work itself, and going off the stream, the person responsible seems to have done this official TT from scratch even going as far as making their own tool to do so. There’s nothing to suggest data from the mod has been used.

You’re asking/assuming if the DLC is inspired by the mod, disregarding that BHM is a very busy & popular rail hub. The idea of representing it as such in TSW is hardly unpopular, there have long been requests for a TT update.

You then also say the timing is suspicious, which I really don’t understand at all, what would be suspicious about a mod releasing 2 years prior to this pack? In any case that’s not even a correct time line, the mod isn’t 2 years old, the creator posted it in May this year.

Another point you make is about this being a paid pack rather than free, which you take issue with since the mod exists - surely you can just continue to use the mod then & there is no need for you to pay for the pack?

Your posts seem to imply that because a mod exists, an official DLC shouldn’t be made that introduces the content, in which I would agree with Stu’s comments on the matter.

Regarding your final point of why they didn’t use the mod creators content; This wasn’t a Rivet idea in the first place, they were approached by another person who wanted to do it & that person was told yes but not straight away.

 

The timetable mod came out 5th May 2025, so not a couple years ago. A couple months ago. Rivet would have been working on this way before it came out. It's not some grand conspiracy.

 

Thanks for this as it means I don’t have to reply making the same points.

 

That's pretty cool, lady. I've never seen a train that color. It's nice that it will run on a route I already have. I haven't been playing much lately because the family has been busy taking care of my sister with cancer. She passed in May. I started playing again in early July, then another family issue. It's good to be back!

 

I'll try to nip this one right now. As I mentioned before, there are only so many routes in the game that the odds that two people are working on similar TT is quite high. Especially if you look at the highly requested BCC.

I started my TT in February, in April I had almost all 1200 services added (with a lot of platform conflicts) and another modder posted in the Editor forum they were looking at making a modern day TT. Great nothing I can do about and the more the merrier.

So it took 3 months to complete my mod. We all know how long an Official DLC takes to go through the process. If you read the article it mentions the process started last year and I know now that it did. So no the DLC isn't inspired by the mod.

I am gratefully to everyone who has downloaded, commented and enjoyed my TT. Now there is an official version for everyone to enjoy and you are good hands.

 

Thank you for the information, I was just suspicious is all, I think that's fair before having all the info like I do now. So apologies to anyone who I upset. I still think it should be a free upgrade for all players console or otherwise. BHM New Street has been far too empty from the start.

 

Quite literally the opposite of my point as I've tried to point out. Perhaps I'm not explaining myself very well. I'm just gonna quit trying.

The DLC should be free for all, as it should have been included in the BCC from the start.

£12.99 to add a TT with extra turbostar services that have been reskinned with skins that already exist in A. a mod and B. the creators club. I'm saying that DLC is becoming less and less.

 

Why should console players receive a free update? As you can read, the modded version took three months of work. DTG is not a charity organization—they need to earn money. I don’t find it strange that this is happening. In fact, I actually welcome these kinds of packages with a little something extra, like what's now happening with the Class 170 and the upcoming update for Kassel-Würzburg with scenarios that offer much more than just a few extra trains. It’s not financially viable unless you add something extra. Personally, I’m definitely willing to pay for it. The enjoyment you get in return is worth it, if you ask me. Community modding is often more limited anyway.

 

I would argue in this case the mod offers more having seen what this DLC plans to add and as well as played the mod. If you wanna pay then pay. But I don't think dovetail is hurting for cash.

The update should be free for ALL.

 

IvyJoanTurner
Those trains are even for free? That’s the reason this pack exists. Sorry, I didn’t quite follow your point of view. This pack is a trainpack with an extra extended timetable....

 

And they are not just reskins the interiors have been changed as well.

 

Funny how often gamers can't comprehend something cost money to make, and therefore is sold for money

 

No it shouldn't.
The mod by the other chap is PC only.
The upcoming dlc, which I have played* is for the PC and consoles and entirely different than the PC only mod.
The units have had interiors redo e and the sounds have been done as well as the suspension model been added and of course the liveries as well as the light clusters on the outside of the cabs. Thats sufficient work there as well the extended timetable for justification for payment irrespective of your rather limited views.
If you dont like it then no one is forcing you to buy it.
I have played it and on my second run driving the 170, there were 3 x170's, 2 class 390's a 350 , a 323 and on platform 1 in New Street alone and a TFW 150 had just pulled in stinking the place out..... .

I definitely like this pack. But yes I think it should be paid for.

Hentis

 

Finally got to watch the stream. Thoughts:

1. Nice to have a guest on the stream who's able to speak confidently in complete sentences.

2. Even with the windows down, sounds from the diesel engine were rather muted.

3. Even with the windows down, the AI 170's and the other passing trains were silent.

4. BNS was thankfully fuller, but still not as busy with comings and goings as I imagine it normally is. However, as a whole, the revised timetable does make the route busier, which it should when you're starting pretty much from zero traffic.

5. Once again, MP chose not to show any night time activity. Of course those of us who own the route are well aware of the complete power outage that afflicts the City of Birmingham after sunset. Perhaps the city fathers need to increase property taxes to pay the electricity bill. Either way I'm sure the route is still undriveable at night.

6. The " new " train is a very good model ( or reskin depending on your pov ). inside and out and certainly adds color and diversity to an otherwise rather dull bus stop route.

Still don't think I want to pay $17 plus tax for what is essentially a layering in of an existing train. Something for a later sale methinks.

 

Honestly I give up with yall. The assets already exist. The interiors have been reskinned. Perhaps some things in the cab are new whoopee.

You all whine about dovetail being profit hungry then you whine when I say I think a DLC should be released for free when it gives us what we should have had in the first place. On about "gamers dont think things cost money to make" ahh get lost. Yes things cost money to make but this is hardly a new route, new train, new anything. It's a reskin and a timetable. Get a grip.

Bloody moan about anything, might as well moan about this post too, you all seem to enjoy it so much. I can see why dovetail have the relationship they do with their players, because everyone moans about EVERYTHING.

(yes even me - love a good moan) don't worry this is the last post I make in this thread, tired of dealing with people who spend their time purposefully misunderstanding people so they can feel superior.

 

Speak for your'e self you did not find any post here on the forums that will related to high prices from my side. Yes some people are Vocal but i'm not so its not fair to say "you all protest about prices"... Sorry a little bit strange

 

Oh wow, heaven forbid someone would disagree with you.

 

Just catching up with the news, and very happy to hear that they plan on bringing the Fife Circle 170 up to the new standard as well, along with long-awaited sound fixes. The route is genuinely quite nice, and it really seems like the train sound issues kinda ruined it for many people.
Perhaps they’ll use this opportunity to take a look at some of the great feedback that was posted after the Levenmouth branch update was released… there are quite a lot of things that would be easy to fix.

Also, on my way through all the replies, I had to read through this nonsensical discussion (mainly initiated by one individual) about the DLC idea being stolen from a mod and so on… it’s good to see that, despite all the disagreements we often have on here, we can still unite and call out people who post absolute bollocks (and thereby distract from the actual purpose of this thread, which is to talk about the DLC itself).

 

Nice addition for BCC. I`ll get it.

 

Just touching on your feedback of the stream itself, I would add that the streams are more & more difficult to actually watch. I stopped watching them routinely a few years ago now because of the decline in quality, but even the ones I do try to watch are just filled with nonsense. Constant ‘banter’ about the 66, Q+A’s which ignore the majority of the thread Q’s & then it’s just Q’s which have been answered by the gameplay already. More time spent reading the question or checking the list then actually answering them & then when we do get someone who will coherently discuss the subject of the stream, they’re just spoken over or barely get to speak at all.

It was a 90 minute stream & barely half of it was actually showing the 170’s, which would be fine if the other half was letting Tyler discuss his work & what he wanted to do going forward, but no it was just mostly utter nonsense.

Oh & my favourite thing of all time was present too - “I’m going to be quiet now so you can hear the train” followed by whichever community ‘manager’ barely managing 15 seconds of silence.

It’d be great to see some pre recorded videos, specifically showing off the content, similar to what AP do for their previews. Rivet already do something similar & I think it would be a nice idea to extend on their walkarounds.